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motulken · 21 May 2015, 10:58 PM

Hi I am new to this forum. I have a Rolex that my father gave me when I graduated college in 1981. I am thinking about selling it. I have someone interested in buying it and another Rolex i have for $12K

Here is my question. The watch is clearly marked 1665 and does have the gas release valve. The back has patent pending on it. The serial number is 352xxxx.
So it should be a sea dweller papers say from 1974. I have the box, paper work, certificate etc. The issue is that the dial does not say sea dweller is says Submariner. The buyer suggest that at some point the dial was changed.
What do you experts think.

I have an Explorer too, It is from the late 60's probably 1969. I have no box or paperwork for it.
He is interested in buying both for 12K. Good deal or not? I thought they would be worth more.
Thanks in advance for any help and opinions.

Tools · 22 May 2015, 10:16 AM

You need to do research on what you have...

Paul · 22 May 2015, 11:33 AM

Welcome motulken,

Two rather desirable watches that you have there and I'd agree that there's more value than $12k.
It's about now too that your message box will start ringing like mad with prospective buyers so take your time.

The 1016 Explorer looks like an honest example of a very collectible Rolex - a bit beaten up but certainly worth preserving.

The 1665 is a whole different ball game. For my understanding, the serial number places your watch squarely in the middle of the DRSD range.
That suggests it may have originally been a Double Red Sea Dweller , a watch that sits very highly on the wish list for many collectors.
Either way, any 1665 has value ..... it's just that some have a lot more value than others

Having the original box and papers would normally push the value right up ..... but the replacement dial will knock it right down again.
Difficult to source a loose standard red 1665 dial and more difficult again to source a loose DRSD dial.
That said, I picked up a loose red 1680 dial recently - not as rare as what you need but still uncommon.
So rare stuff is indeed still out there

This link will give you some idea of what folk ask for nice and / or full set 1665s. Your watch has issues so perhaps wise to not get too excited just yet.
Viewing the link may however encourage you to take time to think on what direction you take

http://www.chrono24.co.nz/rolex/ref-1665.htm

DISCLAIMER: I'm a vintage Rolex nutter through and through but my skills on 1665s and 1016s are basic.
If I'm on the wrong track with what you have, someone will quickly shoot me down.

etp095 · 22 May 2015, 12:05 PM

The sea dweller does have the wrong dial in it. Like Paul said, a correct single or double red dial will be hard to find, and very expensive for whoever you sell it to. Could you post some pics of the box, and papers? It's really nice to have a gift from your father, I would get it serviced and wear it. They are both worth more than the $12k you were offered. Welcome to the forum, what an entrance, wow! People go ga ga for the watches you have, good luck with your decision.

HERITAGE82 · 22 May 2015, 02:00 PM

They are worth ALOT more than 12k!!

Great pieces and wait for the experts to give a proper valuation. Also, as stated earlier as your PM's fill up be sure to take your time if you are really going to sell them.

motulken · 22 May 2015, 03:45 PM

Hi, thanks for the reply's. Here are picture of the box and paperwork. One thing that still confuses me it the tag that came on the watch, shown in the last pictures has the serial number on it, but on the back it does not say Sea dweller it says Submariner.

Any thoughts on that?

Any chance it came from Rolex with that dial on it?

MonBK · 24 May 2015, 07:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by motulken

Hi, thanks for the reply's. Here are picture of the box and paperwork. One thing that still confuses me it the tag that came on the watch, shown in the last pictures has the serial number on it, but on the back it does not say Sea dweller it says Submariner.

Any thoughts on that?

Any chance it came from Rolex with that dial on it?

So they glued the paper sticker on the wrong plastic tag, big deal!

eparisini · 22 May 2015, 08:35 PM

WELLCOME!
I think the DRSD dial is one of the rarest spare part to find...
Worth? It's hard to buy a watch without a so rare dial... I think it's 40% of one with a correct dial...
Yes I'd buy them for $ 12.000

Vincent65 · 22 May 2015, 08:50 PM

shame about the dial

brandrea · 22 May 2015, 08:52 PM

Welcome to the forum. Do your research first, but it would appear you have 2 beauties there

etp095 · 23 May 2015, 10:01 AM

Motulken
Not likely that seadweler came with a submariner dial, it was changed sometime before your got it. Maybe the original one got water damaged and the jeweler it was taken to had this one laying around, or just ordered the wrong one.

timnik · 24 May 2015, 07:27 PM

I'm surprised you want to sell them TBH.

Surely they must have sentimental value, especially if they were a gift from your father for achieving a big milestone.

I have my fathers old GMT and I want to hang onto it.

I'd suggest spending a bit of money and getting them nice again.

Then keep them.

Hang onto the Sub and sell the Explorer if you really must.

Haywood_Milton · 24 May 2015, 07:43 PM

No-one has commented that the OP said this watch had "PATENT PENDING" on the case-back.

If this were so, it would be a different level of watch / value again.

Sadly, though, the picture presented rather suggests that he is mistaken and it is the normal "ROLEX PATENT" wording. OP, are you able to confirm that this was just a simple error in your opening post?

Very nice piece, dial and other comments notwithstanding, in any event.

Haywood Milton

cajunron · 26 May 2015, 08:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Haywood_Milton

No-one has commented that the OP said this watch had "PATENT PENDING" on the case-back.

If this were so, it would be a different level of watch / value again.

Sadly, though, the picture presented rather suggests that he is mistaken and it is the normal "ROLEX PATENT" wording. OP, are you able to confirm that this was just a simple error in your opening post?

Haywood Milton

I thought the same thing.

dysondiver · 24 May 2015, 07:55 PM

cant add to any of the above , ,,,, just say again , do some research

Vincent65 · 26 May 2015, 10:05 PM

Well, it's clearly not a 'patent pending' case-back, as per the photo, so it must have been an error. With a 3523632 (circa 1973) serial, it couldn't have a PP case-back anyway, unless that was also incorrect.

motulken · 26 May 2015, 11:17 PM

No, you guys are right, I was wrong with the Patent pending. I think I may have read that on line somewhere and just made a mistake when I was typing, it was late at night and I was tired. My wife doesn't want me to sell them either. The Sea Dweller does have sentimental value. My original thought was to just sell the Explorer because I need cash. I had not trying to sell the the other one. The gentleman that was interested in the Explorer asked if i had any others. When I told him about the Sea dweller he was trying to buy both. Though 12K is a lot of money I thought it was not enough for both. I was asking $6500 on the explorer, is that a fair price?

21 May 2015, 10:58 PM	#1
motulken "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: NC Posts: 3	questions about my Rolex's Hi I am new to this forum. I have a Rolex that my father gave me when I graduated college in 1981. I am thinking about selling it. I have someone interested in buying it and another Rolex i have for $12K Here is my question. The watch is clearly marked 1665 and does have the gas release valve. The back has patent pending on it. The serial number is 352xxxx. So it should be a sea dweller papers say from 1974. I have the box, paper work, certificate etc. The issue is that the dial does not say sea dweller is says Submariner. The buyer suggest that at some point the dial was changed. What do you experts think. I have an Explorer too, It is from the late 60's probably 1969. I have no box or paperwork for it. He is interested in buying both for 12K. Good deal or not? I thought they would be worth more. Thanks in advance for any help and opinions. Attached Images

22 May 2015, 10:16 AM	#2
Tools TRF Moderator & 2024 SubLV41 Patron Join Date: May 2007 Real Name: Larry Location: Mojave Desert Watch: GMT's Posts: 43,514	You need to do research on what you have... __________________ (Chill ... It's just a watch Forum.....) NAWCC Member

22 May 2015, 11:33 AM	#3
Paul "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: New Zealand Posts: 1,000	" ...... I thought they would be worth more .... " Welcome motulken, Two rather desirable watches that you have there and I'd agree that there's more value than $12k. It's about now too that your message box will start ringing like mad with prospective buyers so take your time. The 1016 Explorer looks like an honest example of a very collectible Rolex - a bit beaten up but certainly worth preserving. The 1665 is a whole different ball game. For my understanding, the serial number places your watch squarely in the middle of the DRSD range. That suggests it may have originally been a Double Red Sea Dweller , a watch that sits very highly on the wish list for many collectors. Either way, any 1665 has value ..... it's just that some have a lot more value than others Having the original box and papers would normally push the value right up ..... but the replacement dial will knock it right down again. Difficult to source a loose standard red 1665 dial and more difficult again to source a loose DRSD dial. That said, I picked up a loose red 1680 dial recently - not as rare as what you need but still uncommon. So rare stuff is indeed still out there This link will give you some idea of what folk ask for nice and / or full set 1665s. Your watch has issues so perhaps wise to not get too excited just yet. Viewing the link may however encourage you to take time to think on what direction you take http://www.chrono24.co.nz/rolex/ref-1665.htm DISCLAIMER: I'm a vintage Rolex nutter through and through but my skills on 1665s and 1016s are basic. If I'm on the wrong track with what you have, someone will quickly shoot me down.

22 May 2015, 12:05 PM	#4
etp095 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Real Name: rudolph Location: chicago burbs Posts: 2,026	The sea dweller does have the wrong dial in it. Like Paul said, a correct single or double red dial will be hard to find, and very expensive for whoever you sell it to. Could you post some pics of the box, and papers? It's really nice to have a gift from your father, I would get it serviced and wear it. They are both worth more than the $12k you were offered. Welcome to the forum, what an entrance, wow! People go ga ga for the watches you have, good luck with your decision. __________________ tt date circa 69' 5513 circa 81' ss sub w/date (z) pepsi gmt for dad(D) polar expy II(z) 1675 gmt circa 68' ladies datejust on jubilee for mom (z) sea dweller16600(M) SS Sub-C(g) Omega Planet Ocean,45.5 on mesh(2500D)

22 May 2015, 02:00 PM	#5
HERITAGE82 "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: South Florida Posts: 3,438	They are worth ALOT more than 12k!! Great pieces and wait for the experts to give a proper valuation. Also, as stated earlier as your PM's fill up be sure to take your time if you are really going to sell them. __________________ - Rolex Explorer - 214270 - Tudor Black Bay - 79230B - Tudor Chronograph - 79270P - Breitling Chronomat - 10th Anniv. - Huguenin Freres Speedmaster Prototype

22 May 2015, 03:45 PM	#6
motulken "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: NC Posts: 3	Hi, thanks for the reply's. Here are picture of the box and paperwork. One thing that still confuses me it the tag that came on the watch, shown in the last pictures has the serial number on it, but on the back it does not say Sea dweller it says Submariner. Any thoughts on that? Any chance it came from Rolex with that dial on it? Attached Images

22 May 2015, 08:35 PM	#8
eparisini "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Real Name: Emanuele Location: Italy Watch: 6263 FAP Posts: 795	WELLCOME! I think the DRSD dial is one of the rarest spare part to find... Worth? It's hard to buy a watch without a so rare dial... I think it's 40% of one with a correct dial... Yes I'd buy them for $ 12.000 __________________ EAT, DRINK AND BE MAUI

22 May 2015, 08:50 PM	#9
Vincent65 "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Switzerland Posts: 14,298	shame about the dial __________________

22 May 2015, 08:52 PM	#10
brandrea 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Real Name: Brian (TBone) Location: canada Watch: es make me smile Posts: 78,120	Welcome to the forum. Do your research first, but it would appear you have 2 beauties there

23 May 2015, 10:01 AM	#11
etp095 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Real Name: rudolph Location: chicago burbs Posts: 2,026	Motulken Not likely that seadweler came with a submariner dial, it was changed sometime before your got it. Maybe the original one got water damaged and the jeweler it was taken to had this one laying around, or just ordered the wrong one. __________________ tt date circa 69' 5513 circa 81' ss sub w/date (z) pepsi gmt for dad(D) polar expy II(z) 1675 gmt circa 68' ladies datejust on jubilee for mom (z) sea dweller16600(M) SS Sub-C(g) Omega Planet Ocean,45.5 on mesh(2500D)

24 May 2015, 07:27 PM	#12
timnik "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2013 Location: Cambridge UK Posts: 120	I'm surprised you want to sell them TBH. Surely they must have sentimental value, especially if they were a gift from your father for achieving a big milestone. I have my fathers old GMT and I want to hang onto it. I'd suggest spending a bit of money and getting them nice again. Then keep them. Hang onto the Sub and sell the Explorer if you really must.

24 May 2015, 07:43 PM	#13
Haywood_Milton "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Real Name: Yes, it is ! Location: Cheshire & Mersey Watch: Military issue Sub Posts: 1,330	No-one has commented that the OP said this watch had "PATENT PENDING" on the case-back. If this were so, it would be a different level of watch / value again. Sadly, though, the picture presented rather suggests that he is mistaken and it is the normal "ROLEX PATENT" wording. OP, are you able to confirm that this was just a simple error in your opening post? Very nice piece, dial and other comments notwithstanding, in any event. Haywood Milton __________________ Comex:5513,5514,1665x2,16800x2,16600 Mil sub:5517x2,5513x9,5512 Submariner:6536/1x2,5508,5513 PCG u/line & double SWISS (America's Cup),5513 giltx2, 5513 m-firstx2,5513 gloss WGx2,1680 Red,1680 White Mk1 & Mk2 Sea-Dweller:1665 DRSDx3,Great Whitex3 GMT-Master:6542x2 (1 Bakelite),1675x8 (2 gilt), 16750 & SeaKing 116710LN Explorer:1016x6 (1 gilt),5500x3,14270 Blackout, Orange 1655 x4 Milgauss 1019x3 Cosmo 6263 *RNCD DSSD 116660.

24 May 2015, 07:55 PM	#15
dysondiver "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Real Name: tom Location: northern ireland Watch: my fins Posts: 10,063	cant add to any of the above , ,,,, just say again , do some research

26 May 2015, 10:05 PM	#16
Vincent65 "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Switzerland Posts: 14,298	Well, it's clearly not a 'patent pending' case-back, as per the photo, so it must have been an error. With a 3523632 (circa 1973) serial, it couldn't have a PP case-back anyway, unless that was also incorrect. __________________

26 May 2015, 11:17 PM	#17
motulken "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: NC Posts: 3	No, you guys are right, I was wrong with the Patent pending. I think I may have read that on line somewhere and just made a mistake when I was typing, it was late at night and I was tired. My wife doesn't want me to sell them either. The Sea Dweller does have sentimental value. My original thought was to just sell the Explorer because I need cash. I had not trying to sell the the other one. The gentleman that was interested in the Explorer asked if i had any others. When I told him about the Sea dweller he was trying to buy both. Though 12K is a lot of money I thought it was not enough for both. I was asking $6500 on the explorer, is that a fair price?

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