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timelord · 2 July 2015, 12:41 AM

first it was the eta clone movements and now we have this:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Asia-Clone-A...mmy::thumbsdow

You are never safe with what you buy as a finished product

Cryten · 2 July 2015, 12:56 AM

I think we're fairly safe with that one, Rolex aren't known for dressing up their movements but they do a better job than that.

The red anodised wheels are just stainless Steel (if that) with a red cap on top. Not very convincing, but still a warning for all to be vigilant.

GradyPhilpott · 2 July 2015, 01:36 AM

"please remember DON'T turn the quick set date when the time near 24 H (12:00 pm) before 1 hour.

"It will easy to broken the teeth of the date disc wheel."

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Asia-Clone-A...mmy::thumbsdow

I think that this warning from the seller offers a pretty foolproof test of the authentic vs. the clone.

forgedblades · 2 July 2015, 01:54 AM

I could see that movement fooling some but not even close IMHO

Jemspeed · 2 July 2015, 05:06 AM

The most obvious feature of this movement are the forks to adjust the pinned balance, free sprung balance like the 3135 don't have those.

Boxcars · 2 July 2015, 05:27 AM

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Originally Posted by GradyPhilpott

"please remember DON'T turn the quick set date when the time near 24 H (12:00 pm) before 1 hour.

"It will easy to broken the teeth of the date disc wheel."

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Asia-Clone-A...mmy::thumbsdow

I think that this warning from the seller offers a pretty foolproof test of the authentic vs. the clone.

Not really. The same applies to the real thing.

GradyPhilpott · 2 July 2015, 05:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Boxcars

Not really. The same applies to the real thing.

Really? :confused:

Where'd you hear that?

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drifter01 · 2 July 2015, 05:39 AM

If you know a bit about the ROlex movements it is not hard to tell the difference between the "clones" which aren't clones but bad copies, and the genuine movements. There are many tells with the Asian "clones".

Boxcars · 2 July 2015, 05:45 AM

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Originally Posted by GradyPhilpott

Really? :confused:

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Yes.

GradyPhilpott · 2 July 2015, 05:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Boxcars

Yes.

Who told you that?

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Boxcars · 2 July 2015, 06:25 AM

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Originally Posted by GradyPhilpott

Who told you that?

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I have no idea. It's just a fact. There's a technical explanation as to why, but I can't remember if I'm honest.

GradyPhilpott · 2 July 2015, 06:41 AM

Well, the 3135 in my 116200 doesn't have that problem and in fact it's a hallmark of Rolex that you can change the date at any time without damage. The same is true for my 116710.

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Boxcars · 2 July 2015, 06:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GradyPhilpott

Well, the 3135 in my 116200 doesn't have that problem and in fact it's a hallmark of Rolex that you can change the date at any time without damage. The same is true for my 116710.

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You are wrong, but ok then.

MonBK · 2 July 2015, 06:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Boxcars

You are wrong, but ok then.

No, he's right.

Boxcars · 2 July 2015, 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by MonBK

No, he's right.

Sure

Feel free to try it out then. It won't always cause damage but there's a good chance that it will.

MonBK · 2 July 2015, 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Boxcars

Sure

Feel free to try it out then. It won't always cause damage but there's a good chance that it will.

Instead of posting sarcastic comments I advice you to study up on the different Rolex movements.

perpetualman88 · 2 July 2015, 07:09 AM

As a general rule you want to change the date function of your watch several hours at least past or before midnight. This ensures that the date mechanism is not engaged yet. This will mostly just help with pre mature wear on any high quality watch.

This knockoff date wheel teeth will break apparently LOL but your rolexes will not, even if you do right around midnight.

Boxcars · 2 July 2015, 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by MonBK

Instead of posting sarcastic comments I advice you to study up on the different Rolex movements.

Like I just said, feel free to try it if you are so sure. I guarantee you that it can cause damage and Rolex would not recommend you should do it. Especially on cal 3155.

Boxcars · 2 July 2015, 07:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by perpetualman88

As a general rule you want to change the date function of your watch several hours at least past or before midnight. This ensures that the date mechanism is not engaged yet. This will mostly just help with pre mature wear on any high quality watch.

This knockoff date wheel teeth will break apparently LOL but your rolexes will not, even if you do right around midnight.

11pm to 6am is the time to avoid IIRC.

GradyPhilpott · 2 July 2015, 07:42 AM

Well, I don't usually change the time around midnight, because it's not usually convenient to do so, but I'm pretty certain that Rolex says in their literature that anytime is fine and recently I did set my 116710 around midnight and of course it worked just fine and I know for a fact that with the GMTII Rolex guarantees that it's fine. All my papers are in storage now and I'm out and about, but when I get home, I'm sure I can put this to rest.

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Knappo 1307 · 2 July 2015, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Boxcars

You are wrong, but ok then.

Um, you're wrong.....

RollieVerde · 2 July 2015, 09:46 AM

I think we need a ruling, here. Vanessa? Are you out there?

GradyPhilpott · 2 July 2015, 11:07 AM

I can't find anything definitive on the internet and I'm not going to tear my storage locker apart trying to find my "boxes and papers," so we'll just have wait for one of our experts to make a declaration.

R Douglas · 2 July 2015, 11:31 AM

I'm confused .....

GradyPhilpott · 2 July 2015, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by R Douglas

I'm confused .....

Don't be.

Even if you think that changing the date near midnight will trash your watch, the only thing you need to do is to change the time and then set the date.

You can move the hands in either direction without harm to a Rolex.

I don't have my watch manuals handy at this time and I can't find any downloadable documents from Rolex that address this issue, but some indisputable expert will weigh in eventually.

Regardless of what the answer is, it's certainly nothing to get worked up about since there is an easy work around for the faint of heart.

Vanessa CW21 · 2 July 2015, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Boxcars

Like I just said, feel free to try it if you are so sure. I guarantee you that it can cause damage and Rolex would not recommend you should do it. Especially on cal 3155.

I can guarantee you that it will not harm your watch at all!
A Rolex can be quick set at any time without the risk of damage!

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GradyPhilpott · 2 July 2015, 12:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vanessa CW21

I can guarantee you that it will not harm your watch at all!
A Rolex can be quick set at any time without the risk of damage!

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Thank you, Vanessa!

Boxcars · 2 July 2015, 01:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vanessa CW21

I can guarantee you that it will not harm your watch at all!
A Rolex can be quick set at any time without the risk of damage!

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Wow. For real?

Vanessa CW21 · 2 July 2015, 01:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boxcars

Wow. For real?

Yup, for real.

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Boxcars · 2 July 2015, 01:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vanessa CW21

Yup, for real.

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So you are happy to say that cycling the rapid date change at say 11.50pm for 60 days would have no chance of stripping any of the calendar ring teeth?

2 July 2015, 12:41 AM	#1
timelord "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Margate Watch: your back Posts: 324	Are we safe buying anything with 3135 mvts? first it was the eta clone movements and now we have this: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Asia-Clone-A...mmy::thumbsdow You are never safe with what you buy as a finished product

2 July 2015, 01:36 AM	#3
GradyPhilpott 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: New Mexico Watch: Seiko #SRK050 Posts: 34,460	"please remember DON'T turn the quick set date when the time near 24 H (12:00 pm) before 1 hour. "It will easy to broken the teeth of the date disc wheel." http://www.ebay.com/itm/Asia-Clone-A...mmy::thumbsdow I think that this warning from the seller offers a pretty foolproof test of the authentic vs. the clone. __________________ JJ Inaugural TRF $50 Watch Challenge Winner

2 July 2015, 05:39 AM	#8
drifter01 "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Real Name: Dave Location: NC Watch: 5500 Air-King Posts: 633	If you know a bit about the ROlex movements it is not hard to tell the difference between the "clones" which aren't clones but bad copies, and the genuine movements. There are many tells with the Asian "clones". __________________ Dave Ace of Clubs "Never mind the track. The track is for punks. We are Road People. We are Cafe Racers." - Hunter S. Thompson

2 July 2015, 06:41 AM	#12
GradyPhilpott 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: New Mexico Watch: Seiko #SRK050 Posts: 34,460	Well, the 3135 in my 116200 doesn't have that problem and in fact it's a hallmark of Rolex that you can change the date at any time without damage. The same is true for my 116710. Sent from my SM-G900V __________________ JJ Inaugural TRF $50 Watch Challenge Winner

2 July 2015, 07:42 AM	#20
GradyPhilpott 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: New Mexico Watch: Seiko #SRK050 Posts: 34,460	Well, I don't usually change the time around midnight, because it's not usually convenient to do so, but I'm pretty certain that Rolex says in their literature that anytime is fine and recently I did set my 116710 around midnight and of course it worked just fine and I know for a fact that with the GMTII Rolex guarantees that it's fine. All my papers are in storage now and I'm out and about, but when I get home, I'm sure I can put this to rest. Sent from my SM-G900V __________________ JJ Inaugural TRF $50 Watch Challenge Winner

2 July 2015, 12:56 AM	#2
Cryten "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: Terrafirma Posts: 2,655	I think we're fairly safe with that one, Rolex aren't known for dressing up their movements but they do a better job than that. The red anodised wheels are just stainless Steel (if that) with a red cap on top. Not very convincing, but still a warning for all to be vigilant.

2 July 2015, 01:54 AM	#4
forgedblades "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Real Name: Dave Location: Memphis Watch: 16610LV/CokeGMT II Posts: 396	I could see that movement fooling some but not even close IMHO

2 July 2015, 05:06 AM	#5
Jemspeed "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 199	The most obvious feature of this movement are the forks to adjust the pinned balance, free sprung balance like the 3135 don't have those.

2 July 2015, 07:09 AM	#17
perpetualman88 2024 ROLEX SUBMARINER 41 Pledge Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Real Name: David Farkas Location: Los Angeles Watch: 116610, 5712/1A Posts: 8,182	As a general rule you want to change the date function of your watch several hours at least past or before midnight. This ensures that the date mechanism is not engaged yet. This will mostly just help with pre mature wear on any high quality watch. This knockoff date wheel teeth will break apparently LOL but your rolexes will not, even if you do right around midnight.

2 July 2015, 09:46 AM	#22
RollieVerde Banned Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: Very Far Away Posts: 579	I think we need a ruling, here. Vanessa? Are you out there?

2 July 2015, 11:07 AM	#23
GradyPhilpott 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: New Mexico Watch: Seiko #SRK050 Posts: 34,460	I can't find anything definitive on the internet and I'm not going to tear my storage locker apart trying to find my "boxes and papers," so we'll just have wait for one of our experts to make a declaration. __________________ JJ Inaugural TRF $50 Watch Challenge Winner

2 July 2015, 11:31 AM	#24
R Douglas "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Springfield Pa Watch: 114060 Posts: 234	I'm confused .....

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