This is what's wrong with this country

[azguy]

http://nypost.com/2015/08/02/student...e-high-school/

[MonBK]

The link sucks, takes you to ads.

[Laszlo]

I'm blessed that I have the means to put my kid in private school. The public school system is atrocious in today's standards. When I went to public school we had a military bugle at 8 AM every morning followed by the pledge and getting the paddle or stick whipped was the norm if you acted out-of-line.

[subtona]

i believe it is just greed and economics at work.

public school system is being driven down by our govt that wants out of the education business… failure of public system is a way to assure the success of charter schools that replace the public school system and will ultimately implode. Putting money in private business of charter schools is double dipping in the taxpayers pocket for their children's education.
its a long game being played by Govt.

Parents that have kids in school can't consider it due to the need for them to provide education for their kids, those without kids in school are sufficiently removed to not see whats happening.

just my opinion on a topic that makes me frustrated and saddened.

[GB-man]

It's called social promotion. That girl is a waste of the teachers time and they just want her out of there. Otherwise she will linger and disrupt the learning of those students who are putting in effort.

Many things wrong with the school system but the largest issue a lack of parenting. Kids go home for the summer and receive no guidance or sometimes even meals. Unless school was year round, it's hard for teachers to make up for what is lost.

[cop414]

Originally Posted by GB-man

Many things wrong with the school system but the largest issue a lack of parenting. Kids go home for the summer and receive no guidance or sometimes even meals. Unless school was year round, it's hard for teachers to make up for what is lost.

You sir just hit the nail on the head in my opinion!

[subtona]

Originally Posted by GB-man

It's called social promotion. That girl is a waste of the teachers time and they just want her out of there. Otherwise she will linger and disrupt the learning of those students who are putting in effort.

Many things wrong with the school system but the largest issue a lack of parenting. Kids go home for the summer and receive no guidance or sometimes even meals. Unless school was year round, it's hard for teachers to make up for what is lost.

this too

[bdex75]

Originally Posted by cop414

You sir just hit the nail on the head in my opinion!

And it is not just the vacations and summers, it is every day. The school is only as good as the parents/guardians at home. The work ethic, attitude and dedication of the parents are what sets the tone for the schools. I have seen some excellent students come out of very poor schools and some very poor students come out of very excellent schools.

So many kids these days are up playing video games/texting/interneting/watching mindless television at midnight and 1am on school nights. Do not eat breakfast etc. etc. No wonder they are failing.


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[Rockrolex]

I don't disagree with what's been said here, but consider the source of the story. The New York Post is not a paragon of veracity when it comes to reporting the news.

[AzPaul]

Most public schools are rated and receive money, based on their students' performance. And while 'social' promotion exists, more times than not, it's about trying to keep the school's official performance rating high. In the end, however, while the school wins in the short term, the kids and society lose in the long.

When there's hardly anybody watching the watchers, this is the kind of thing that becomes the norm.

[azguy]

Originally Posted by Rockrolex

The New York Post is not a paragon of veracity when it comes to reporting the news.

It's all I read

[wantonebad]

Originally Posted by Rockrolex

I don't disagree with what's been said here, but consider the source of the story. The New York Post is not a paragon of veracity when it comes to reporting the news.

That's true Ed, but you can't deny that public education doesn't fit every student. Some kids just don't do work in high school and others can't do the work in high school.

For kids and parents you get out of education what you put into it. True those with high IQ's and or street smarts and can breeze through but effort is what determines those that excel.

A lot has been made of and blown out of proportion about ADHD lately, learning disabilities before that, but no mater what you believe, those maladies are very real for those who live with them.

Kids do get left behind, whether by their own doing, by happenstance/circumstance or by their individual shortcomings. JMHO

[Kingair]

My daughter went the first year we where in SOCal to a Public School and we have to say . . . it was a really great school !

Now she goes Private and is a great school as well !

Both are really up to the same level

The difference between both is a nice Rolex each year

No more no less . . .

HAGS

[incontrol]

The public school in my area is very highly rated. It is a very hard school in that you must follow rules, show up to class and do the work. I am not on the stump for public education, but my kids have found it easier to get through college than get through their high school.

A students success is directly proportional to the pressure kept on the student in the family to ensure the student cares. If the family doesn't care, generally, the student will not care. What school is attended has less of an impact, I believe.

[Rock]

I was sent to a private school because my Father and Grandfather went to the same school. It was a total failure for me as it was focused only of sport and academia and I was neither.
I ensured that both my kids went to a public school as I wanted them to learn to function in a more representative 'pool'. Both did well there.
My wife works in a public school and Tim hit it on the head when he said that it is all about the quality of the parenting. Some kids never have a chance because their home life is terrible.
Here in Australia, the government has been under-resourcing the public system for decades, pushing families to send their kids to private schools which also receive govt. funding.

[rolexgiants]

Originally Posted by azguy

It's all I read

Hmmmm... Ny post vs ny times... I would rather read the post every day and twice on Sunday!!!

[azguy]

Originally Posted by rolexgiants

Hmmmm... Ny post vs ny times... I would rather read the post every day and twice on Sunday!!!

right I need my mafia news, my gossip, some sports and a hint of news

[watchwatcher]

What's really wrong with this country is that it's fairly commonplace for a kid to have the option of showing up for school or not.

[THC]

kudos to the young Lady for speaking up and telling the truth to everyone... she obviously was raised well for the most part

[watchwatcher]

Originally Posted by THC

kudos to the young Lady for speaking up and telling the truth to everyone... she obviously was raised well for the most part

If raising well means not making sure the girl is at school, then yes I agree.

[codecow]

Originally Posted by bdex75

So many kids these days are up playing video games/texting/interneting/watching mindless television at midnight and 1am on school nights. Do not eat breakfast etc. etc. No wonder they are failing.

I graduated from high school in 1992. I only slept about 3-4 hours a night. I stayed up playing video games and watching mindless Iron Maiden Live After Death on replay over and over until the tape broke.

Turns out, it doesn't matter. I have been making video games for a living for the last almost 20 years.

Kids are just as bad as they have always been.

[77T]

Not sure who's worse, the kid who won't get up and go to school, the parent(s) who tolerate or condone it, or the school system(s) that cheat to make graduation or testing quotas.

Here, the City of ATL system had many teachers, supervisors and principals tried and convicted for changing standard test answers to make quotas.




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[seand442]

The moment public education turned into a business is the moment everything went to hell. Why do schools teach to a test? Because politicians decided to attach money to test scores. Charter schools, school waivers, testing companies and a number of other educational related business ventures have turned public education into a business with political purse strings. The kids are not the focus, even though politicians would like you to believe they are.

[Laszlo]

Originally Posted by codecow

I stayed up playing video games and watching mindless Iron Maiden Live After Death on replay over and over until the tape broke.

Turns out, it doesn't matter. I have been making video games for a living for the last almost 20 years.

Haha, that's awesome!

[codecow]

Originally Posted by Laszlo

Haha, that's awesome!

My mom would always say, "You're wasting time with all those mindless shoot em ups!" She hated it, but now she's happy.

[bdex75]

Originally Posted by codecow

I graduated from high school in 1992. I only slept about 3-4 hours a night. I stayed up playing video games and watching mindless Iron Maiden Live After Death on replay over and over until the tape broke.



Turns out, it doesn't matter. I have been making video games for a living for the last almost 20 years.



Kids are just as bad as they have always been.

I have a buddy that was the same way. Worked for Konami for many years right out of college. And for every one there are 100 that do not turn out that way. I was the duck hunt King of the block and can still slay some ducks but would not try to make a career out of it, though many have in one way or another.

In the end I think that every kid is different and every kid learns in a different way but given the choice in the way that I raise my kids they are not staying up all night on a school night on Instagram or Twitter or playing call of duty, getting 3 hours of sleep and then being asked to perform at a high level the next day at school. And I get it, not every kid should go to college and not every kid is destined for the business world but sometimes kids,like the one in the article, are just given too many freedoms to make choices that they are obviously not mature enough to make.

To each their own parenting style I guess.


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[bayerische]

Originally Posted by codecow

My mom would always say, "You're wasting time with all those mindless shoot em ups!" She hated it, but now she's happy.

But you where the one in 10 million gamers that actually got something out of it.

Somewhat the same as with gamblers. Most just end up with empty pockets.

Glad you made a living out of the experience.

[wantonebad]

Kids need structure, they need to learn discipline and commitment, schools can't give that to them by themselves, especially public schools. Parents have to care, have to be involved, and when necessary advocate for their children overtly so as to keep kids from falling through the cracks. (squeaky wheel and all that)

Schools aren't the enemy, and even the very good ones can rubber stamp wall flowers, kids have to show interest, they have to be engaged and involved. Motivation might the key here and reaching a kid can be very difficult, but if a parent can't do that it's unrealistic to think that an over burdened public school system can.

There are always exceptions to the rules and kids can and do find their own way, I just think we're all better off when parents actively participate in their childrens education and introduction to society. JMHO

[nicked]

I think it's only 1 of a million things that are wrong with that country.

[codecow]

Originally Posted by bayerische

But you where the one in 10 million gamers that actually got something out of it.

Somewhat the same as with gamblers. Most just end up with empty pockets.

Glad you made a living out of the experience.

Lol my dad gambled professionally!