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m1911a1 · 15 December 2015, 07:47 AM

I was looking at my 42mm Explorer-II with a Flip-Lock Bracelet.
I noticed inside the channel of the flat clasp, the holes don't go all the way through like the older bracelets did.
It seems like only two little indents are the only thing from losing your watch?
Through-holes seem sturdier....don't they?
Any negative experiences? (hope not!)
Thanks!

Muzz · 15 December 2015, 07:51 AM

Never had an issue with the new clasp. Feels very secure and I have not had one ever pop open. Additionally the flip lock adds to the overal security preventing that happening as well.

m1911a1 · 15 December 2015, 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Muzz

Never had an issue with the new clasp. Feels very secure and I have not had one ever pop open. Additionally the flip lock adds to the overal security preventing that happening as well.

I love the Flip-Lock too.....but what I'm talking about is the other end.....
Basically two little nibs holding the other end of the watch in place....
If it popped out of the two little indents, the band would slide right out of the channel wouldn't it?

OrangeSport · 15 December 2015, 08:10 AM

Two of ours have these clasps. No problems so far.

Old Expat Beast · 15 December 2015, 08:20 AM

I've wondered about this too.

m1911a1 · 15 December 2015, 08:28 AM

I know I'm an OCD freak but I've spent my entire life working with Metals, Machining, etc.....
As much as I like the new Bracelets SOOOO much better.....
Maybe I'll have the Jeweler drill out both sides for a more (PERCEIVED) secure fit.....
Or maybe just put a dab of Loctite at the Pin/Detent area....
Or maybe just leave it alone?

Limitless · 15 December 2015, 08:44 AM

Any pictures to compare?

m1911a1 · 15 December 2015, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Limitless

Any pictures to compare?

This is the OLD-Style.....with Through-Holes along the sides....

m1911a1 · 15 December 2015, 08:49 AM

This is the NEW-Style.....no holes.....only detents....

Ritch99 · 15 December 2015, 08:49 AM

I really subscribe to "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" and having insurance helps as well...

Matt C · 15 December 2015, 08:52 AM

I've never heard of a problem with those clasps, and having own a few in my day I have never come across a problem myself. I wouldn't worry about it.

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silverbullet818 · 15 December 2015, 08:55 AM

My guess is it should be alright. The newer clasps I'm sure were designed so the detents are made deep enough to securely hold on to the spring bars.

The only caveat would be ofcourse IF the clasp itself was bent so that it is not true to it's original shape. Then the spring bars may not be engaged as designed.

D111s · 15 December 2015, 09:59 AM

The newer clasps look to be thicker walled than the old style ones, maybe the the detents work out the same depth? I'd have thought they would have made extra sure that it was secure as part of the R&D!

GrandAnimus · 15 December 2015, 10:20 AM

I haven't heard of or seen a problem with a new watch, will be interesting to see how these pieces age though.

eonflux · 15 December 2015, 10:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by m1911a1

This is the OLD-Style.....with Through-Holes along the sides....

The pins don't go all through the holes on the old clasps. So not clear if there's really an advantage in terms of being more securely held in place. The holes may be more helpful in terms of removing/adjusting the bracelet than holding it together.

Never had an issue with the newer clasps on a GTMc, Subc, and 2 DSSDs. And all the other improvements in the clasps are really significant improvements.

77T · 15 December 2015, 11:44 AM

As to the new clasp's strength in holding up under stress, it is thicker, more rigid and very capable. Even in light of the hidden concave points that receive the adjuster pins.

The old style was harder to adjust for the average user. While it did allow the spring pins to be seen, it didn't afford more "holding power".

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Trailblazer · 15 December 2015, 11:50 AM

Hmm that's a really good point. Any stress test results on this before?

Old Geezer · 15 December 2015, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Old Expat Beast

I've wondered about this too.

Me too but I have never heard of anyone on this forum reporting an issue. I'm sure the design was thoroughly tested and proven tough enough to be put into production.

Muzz · 15 December 2015, 11:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by m1911a1

I love the Flip-Lock too.....but what I'm talking about is the other end.....
Basically two little nibs holding the other end of the watch in place....
If it popped out of the two little indents, the band would slide right out of the channel wouldn't it?

Got ya, understand your point. I have never really thought about that either, to date I have never had an issue with that aspect or have heard anyone with a failure on that side of the clasp.

hdrazor251 · 15 December 2015, 12:02 PM

Lug holes rule!! ... and so does clasp holes.

Mystro · 15 December 2015, 12:35 PM

Yes, I agree. You can visually check that everything is locked in and secure.

Quote:

Originally Posted by hdrazor251

Lug holes rule!! ... and so does clasp holes.

brettpaul · 16 December 2015, 05:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Muzz

Never had an issue with the new clasp. Feels very secure and I have not had one ever pop open. Additionally the flip lock adds to the overal security preventing that happening as well.

Yep, the new clasp is a great update to the classic clasp - I've even put them on my 16610LV, 16660, and my BLNR!!

Onikage · 16 December 2015, 06:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eonflux

The pins don't go all through the holes on the old clasps.

Yes they do. The bit that doesn't is the diver extension, which is supposed to pop out.

watchwatcher · 16 December 2015, 08:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by m1911a1

Or maybe just leave it alone?

That would be my recommendation.

flv112 · 16 December 2015, 02:12 PM

On a GMT2-C, I have mine on the last slot with the Easy Link open- should I worry? Or better just put back a link and close the EL to be safe?

kirksingleton · 16 December 2015, 02:51 PM

The band is very laterally very tight even with the pins out. I don't think it could let loose unless it for twisted somehow

subtona · 16 December 2015, 03:17 PM

Nothing to worry about.

Tseg · 16 December 2015, 10:26 PM

I'm not aware of a single complaint where the indent version "let loose". I'm pretty sure the new design is very sound (and looks much cleaner).

beshannon · 16 December 2015, 10:29 PM

After the storm over Cyclops magnification, I would expect if this bracelet part was failing the forum would be littered with the pictures of dropped watches.

superdog · 16 December 2015, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by beshannon

After the storm over Cyclops magnification, I would expect if this bracelet part was failing the forum would be littered with the pictures of dropped watches.

Good point. Helpful for this discussion.

15 December 2015, 07:47 AM	#1
m1911a1 Banned Join Date: Jun 2010 Real Name: Mark Location: Maine, USA Watch: 42mm Explorer-II's Posts: 489	Are the new Bracelet Clasps secure? I was looking at my 42mm Explorer-II with a Flip-Lock Bracelet. I noticed inside the channel of the flat clasp, the holes don't go all the way through like the older bracelets did. It seems like only two little indents are the only thing from losing your watch? Through-holes seem sturdier....don't they? Any negative experiences? (hope not!) Thanks!

15 December 2015, 08:10 AM	#4
OrangeSport "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Real Name: Jason Location: Essex, UK Watch: 14060M Posts: 2,943	Two of ours have these clasps. No problems so far. __________________

15 December 2015, 08:52 AM	#11
Matt C "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: Maine Watch: Rolex 116660 Posts: 1,602	Are the new Bracelet Clasps secure? I've never heard of a problem with those clasps, and having own a few in my day I have never come across a problem myself. I wouldn't worry about it. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ Rolex 116660 Ball EM2 Diver Casio G-Shock

15 December 2015, 11:44 AM	#16
77T 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Real Name: PaulG Location: Georgia Posts: 42,017	Are the new Bracelet Clasps secure? As to the new clasp's strength in holding up under stress, it is thicker, more rigid and very capable. Even in light of the hidden concave points that receive the adjuster pins. The old style was harder to adjust for the average user. While it did allow the spring pins to be seen, it didn't afford more "holding power". Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ Does anyone really know what time it is?

15 December 2015, 12:02 PM	#20
hdrazor251 "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Real Name: Jeff Location: Arizona Watch: is recovered!! Posts: 4,255	Lug holes rule!! ... and so does clasp holes. __________________ 16753 GMT Master, 16613 Bluesy, 16710 GMT Master II, 16570 Polar Explorer II-Stolen & Recovered!! Card Carrying Member of the Global Assoc. of Retro-Grouch-Curmudgeons

15 December 2015, 07:51 AM	#2
Muzz "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Real Name: Steve Location: TO CAD, HCMC VN Watch: MP 18946 Posts: 7,292	Never had an issue with the new clasp. Feels very secure and I have not had one ever pop open. Additionally the flip lock adds to the overal security preventing that happening as well.

15 December 2015, 08:20 AM	#5
Old Expat Beast TRF Moderator & 2024 SubLV41 Patron Join Date: Jul 2013 Real Name: Adam Location: Far East Watch: Golden Tuna Posts: 28,826	I've wondered about this too.

15 December 2015, 08:28 AM	#6
m1911a1 Banned Join Date: Jun 2010 Real Name: Mark Location: Maine, USA Watch: 42mm Explorer-II's Posts: 489	I know I'm an OCD freak but I've spent my entire life working with Metals, Machining, etc..... As much as I like the new Bracelets SOOOO much better..... Maybe I'll have the Jeweler drill out both sides for a more (PERCEIVED) secure fit..... Or maybe just put a dab of Loctite at the Pin/Detent area.... Or maybe just leave it alone?

15 December 2015, 08:44 AM	#7
Limitless "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2015 Location: Amsterdam Watch: DSSD Posts: 174	Any pictures to compare?

15 December 2015, 08:49 AM	#9
m1911a1 Banned Join Date: Jun 2010 Real Name: Mark Location: Maine, USA Watch: 42mm Explorer-II's Posts: 489	This is the NEW-Style.....no holes.....only detents....

15 December 2015, 08:49 AM	#10
Ritch99 "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2014 Real Name: Mitch Location: CONUS Watch: DSSD and others Posts: 1,186	I really subscribe to "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" and having insurance helps as well...

15 December 2015, 08:55 AM	#12
silverbullet818 "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: Canada Posts: 839	My guess is it should be alright. The newer clasps I'm sure were designed so the detents are made deep enough to securely hold on to the spring bars. The only caveat would be ofcourse IF the clasp itself was bent so that it is not true to it's original shape. Then the spring bars may not be engaged as designed.

15 December 2015, 09:59 AM	#13
D111s "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Hampshire UK Watch: A few Posts: 452	The newer clasps look to be thicker walled than the old style ones, maybe the the detents work out the same depth? I'd have thought they would have made extra sure that it was secure as part of the R&D!

15 December 2015, 10:20 AM	#14
GrandAnimus "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: Montreal Watch: This Posts: 88	I haven't heard of or seen a problem with a new watch, will be interesting to see how these pieces age though.

15 December 2015, 11:50 AM	#17
Trailblazer "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Real Name: Cab Location: A small world Watch: es Posts: 776	Hmm that's a really good point. Any stress test results on this before?

16 December 2015, 02:12 PM	#25
flv112 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Real Name: flv Location: asia Posts: 241	On a GMT2-C, I have mine on the last slot with the Easy Link open- should I worry? Or better just put back a link and close the EL to be safe?

16 December 2015, 02:51 PM	#26
kirksingleton "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2015 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 1,759	The band is very laterally very tight even with the pins out. I don't think it could let loose unless it for twisted somehow

16 December 2015, 03:17 PM	#27
subtona "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Real Name: gus Location: East Coast Watch: APK & sometimes Y Posts: 26,599	Nothing to worry about. __________________

16 December 2015, 10:26 PM	#28
Tseg "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2014 Real Name: Tom Location: World Traveler Watch: GMT Master II BLNR Posts: 1,583	I'm not aware of a single complaint where the indent version "let loose". I'm pretty sure the new design is very sound (and looks much cleaner).

16 December 2015, 10:29 PM	#29
beshannon "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Real Name: Brian Location: Northern Virginia Watch: One of Not Many Posts: 17,892	After the storm over Cyclops magnification, I would expect if this bracelet part was failing the forum would be littered with the pictures of dropped watches. __________________ IWC Portugieser 7 Day, Omega Seamaster SMP300m, Vacheron Constantin Traditionnelle Complete Calendar, Glashutte PanoInverse, Glashutte SeaQ Panorama Date, Omega Aqua Terra 150, Omega CK 859, Omega Speedmaster 3861 Moonwatch, Breitling Superocean Steelfish, JLC Atmos Transparent Clock

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