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Erpin · 17 January 2016, 02:41 AM

I was offered a Rolex 4500 but I am not sure if the dial has been retouched already (numbers on the sub dial at 3 o'clock looks darker) or if there are other red flags that I did not see. I am attaching the pictures for your perusal. I hope the community can help me decide whether to buy it or not. Thanks.

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andromeda160 · 17 January 2016, 09:20 AM

Eww, run fast. Movements no good, dial fonts are off as well

Erpin · 17 January 2016, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by andromeda160

Eww, run fast. Movements no good, dial fonts are off as well

Many thanks. What seems to be wrong with the movement?

andromeda160 · 17 January 2016, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Erpin

Many thanks. What seems to be wrong with the movement?

The bridge is a shoddy knockoff that many fakers use to transform watches with very little value into "rolex's" with a lot value as the base movements are the same.

Erpin · 17 January 2016, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by andromeda160

The bridge is a shoddy knockoff that many fakers use to transform watches with very little value into "rolex's" with a lot value as the base movements are the same.

Okay thanks. Does the case look original?

watch-guy.com · 17 January 2016, 01:14 PM

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dstacy · 19 January 2016, 01:46 AM

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Originally Posted by andromeda160

Eww, run fast. Movements no good, dial fonts are off as well

You seem to call "fake" fairly often and many times are found to be incorrect. Perhaps some restraint is in order.

mdw3 · 18 January 2016, 02:25 AM

Looks fine to me. Movement is good, dial a bit distressed, but original.

Michael

Mike Wood · 18 January 2016, 08:43 AM

??? here too!

Looks genuine from where I'm sitting. Dial is an old reprint, case has corrosion, movement appears genuine but with usual wear.

A project, but do-able.

MW

oinkitt · 18 January 2016, 09:06 AM

It looks like a 4500 that's had a hard life...
The pictures are not good enough to be sure about the dial.... the hour and minute hands look somewhat suspect

mdw3 · 18 January 2016, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike Wood

??? here too!

Looks genuine from where I'm sitting. Dial is an old reprint, case has corrosion, movement appears genuine but with usual wear.

A project, but do-able.

MW

I don't know Mike, but from where I am sitting dial looks factory. Rough, but factory.

Michael

oinkitt · 18 January 2016, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by mdw3

I don't know Mike, but from where I am sitting dial looks factory. Rough, but factory.

Michael

Those are my feelings too... Better pictures would confirm.

Having just seen the new pictures.... I think the dial is original....

The serial number is in the correct range

Mike Wood · 18 January 2016, 11:52 PM

Yep, the fresh pictures are a big improvement, and I'll swim over to join the probably-original dial team! Unfortunately, the corrosion in the case is a lot worse than expected...

MW

Erpin · 18 January 2016, 04:12 PM

I finally saw the watch in person and managed to take some better pictures as shown below. I also had my watchmaker check it and he said the dial is still original. Btw the serial number is 497xxx. Thanks for all the help again.

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mdw3 · 19 January 2016, 02:31 AM

As I said before, rough, but original. The good news is that, for the right price, it is a project that can be completed, I would think. Even a dial could possibly be had . . . .

Michael

Erpin · 19 January 2016, 04:11 AM

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Originally Posted by mdw3

As I said before, rough, but original. The good news is that, for the right price, it is a project that can be completed, I would think. Even a dial could possibly be had . . . .

Michael

That is good to know that a used dial can still be found. Can someone like ABC Watchwerks clean the dial to make it more presentable?

fmc000 · 19 January 2016, 02:27 PM

The original dial is 99% or more of the value of this watch. Trying to clean it would simply destroy this value IMHO.

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vintagemyk · 19 January 2016, 05:38 PM

the hands seem to be relumed? the first pic you posted the hour hand's patina seem light and you can see the "X" in rolex through the minute hand. but the next batch of photos show both hands with black patina.

Old Expat Beast · 19 January 2016, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by vintagemyk

the hands seem to be relumed? the first pic you posted the hour hand's patina seem light and you can see the "X" in rolex through the minute hand. but the next batch of photos show both hands with black patina.

Well spotted. Dial lume looks different too. No crystal crack in later pics, water damage to top right of dial, etc.

Aaaaaand different movement?

Erpin · 22 January 2016, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by vintagemyk

the hands seem to be relumed? the first pic you posted the hour hand's patina seem light and you can see the "X" in rolex through the minute hand. but the next batch of photos show both hands with black patina.

Thanks for the very sharp observation. I guess the seller relumed the hands before he sent them to me for inspection.

Kingface66 · 20 January 2016, 12:50 AM

Just saw these and that was my first thought: These are two different watches. What does the watch-seller have to say about that?

Mike Wood · 20 January 2016, 01:29 AM

Looks to be the same watch, but the better images appear to show some restoration has taken place...

17 January 2016, 02:41 AM	#1
Erpin 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Real Name: Eric Location: Philippines Watch: Rolex DRSD Posts: 680	Need help on a rolex 4500 I was offered a Rolex 4500 but I am not sure if the dial has been retouched already (numbers on the sub dial at 3 o'clock looks darker) or if there are other red flags that I did not see. I am attaching the pictures for your perusal. I hope the community can help me decide whether to buy it or not. Thanks. [/URL][/IMG] [/URL][/IMG] [/URL][/IMG]

18 January 2016, 09:06 AM	#10
oinkitt "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Earth Posts: 259	4500 It looks like a 4500 that's had a hard life... The pictures are not good enough to be sure about the dial.... the hour and minute hands look somewhat suspect

18 January 2016, 04:12 PM	#14
Erpin 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Real Name: Eric Location: Philippines Watch: Rolex DRSD Posts: 680	I finally saw the watch in person and managed to take some better pictures as shown below. I also had my watchmaker check it and he said the dial is still original. Btw the serial number is 497xxx. Thanks for all the help again. [/URL][/IMG] [/URL][/IMG] [/URL][/IMG] [/URL][/IMG] [/URL][/IMG]

17 January 2016, 09:20 AM	#2
andromeda160 Banned Join Date: Dec 2012 Real Name: Greg Location: michigan Watch: Rolex Oyster Posts: 4,046	Eww, run fast. Movements no good, dial fonts are off as well

17 January 2016, 01:14 PM	#6
watch-guy.com Banned Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: United States Posts: 501	??

18 January 2016, 02:25 AM	#8
mdw3 "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 677	Looks fine to me. Movement is good, dial a bit distressed, but original. Michael

18 January 2016, 08:43 AM	#9
Mike Wood "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Real Name: Mike Wood Location: Liverpool UK Watch: Listen & Learn! Posts: 611	??? here too! Looks genuine from where I'm sitting. Dial is an old reprint, case has corrosion, movement appears genuine but with usual wear. A project, but do-able. MW

18 January 2016, 11:52 PM	#13
Mike Wood "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Real Name: Mike Wood Location: Liverpool UK Watch: Listen & Learn! Posts: 611	Yep, the fresh pictures are a big improvement, and I'll swim over to join the probably-original dial team! Unfortunately, the corrosion in the case is a lot worse than expected... MW

19 January 2016, 02:31 AM	#15
mdw3 "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 677	As I said before, rough, but original. The good news is that, for the right price, it is a project that can be completed, I would think. Even a dial could possibly be had . . . . Michael

19 January 2016, 02:27 PM	#17
fmc000 Banned Join Date: Sep 2011 Real Name: Fabio Location: Como - Italy Posts: 4,811	The original dial is 99% or more of the value of this watch. Trying to clean it would simply destroy this value IMHO. Sent from my A0001 using Tapatalk

19 January 2016, 05:38 PM	#18
vintagemyk "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: Los angeles Posts: 63	the hands seem to be relumed? the first pic you posted the hour hand's patina seem light and you can see the "X" in rolex through the minute hand. but the next batch of photos show both hands with black patina.

20 January 2016, 12:50 AM	#21
Kingface66 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: The Empire State Watch: Many Posts: 3,462	Just saw these and that was my first thought: These are two different watches. What does the watch-seller have to say about that?

20 January 2016, 01:29 AM	#22
Mike Wood "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Real Name: Mike Wood Location: Liverpool UK Watch: Listen & Learn! Posts: 611	Looks to be the same watch, but the better images appear to show some restoration has taken place...

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