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20 July 2016, 09:39 AM | #1 |
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PAM 351 vs 422-- help me pick my first PAM!
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So, based on all the above factors, which would you recommend? Thanks for feedback! |
20 July 2016, 10:50 PM | #2 |
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id go 422. I had one. it was great. straps are easy... any of the good guys can make them.
here's a few shots to hold you over. Untitled by Joseph Jeram, on Flickr Untitled by Joseph Jeram, on Flickr _DSC1643 by Joseph Jeram, on Flickr |
20 July 2016, 11:46 PM | #3 |
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422 no doubt
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Nice write up and background info!
First and foremost, there are MANY models, case types, materials, functions, etc. within the Panerai line, so, my advice is to take the time to explore them all and try on as much as possible. The 351 is a beauty for sure, but, the dial color limits it slightly with straps. If an only PAM, for that reason alone, I'd go with the 422, as a black dial will work with all straps, and strap changes are so much a part of the experience. The 422, while 3 mm wider, should wear better, as it is thinner and the case shape sits less high off the wrist. From what you write, it seems like you definitely prefer this model. Go with your gut, it's almost always right when it comes to watches, IMHO. In the end, if you prefer the size and looks of the 351, consider also models like the 312, 320 and 359, which are probably more versatile, strap-wise. Then again, if you love the Ti, brown dial and gold hands, pick up the 351 and enjoy. :) I understand your point about the strap changes. I have a model with quick change buttons (164, which is another type of case referred to as Bettarini (see the 000, 005, 111, 176, 104, etc. for this case shape (only the 104 also has the buttons))), and I really appreciate being able to switch straps in about 8 seconds. There are times when i switch straps once or even twice a day thanks to it. Have you tried the 233? * a modern day classic in the line up * 8 days power reserve * dome * manual * GMT * 44 mm * yes, 1950s case, so, similar to the 351, but it is thinner due to the manual movement * quick change strap system * regular lume color + black dial |
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PAM 351 vs 422-- help me pick my first PAM!
I am with Cru. 422 or 233.
There are always custom strap options...but you'll have the basics covered with OEM. Buy the watch you like first. Straps will come. You will need to make use of the screwdriver and masking tape for lug protection with the 422. Personally I think the screws / case will eventually get thread damage and that would dissuade frequent strap changes - for me anyway. My last Pam was a 111 and the task became tiresome. |
21 July 2016, 02:42 AM | #6 |
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422 all the way. Based on your wrist size the 47 mm will be perfect.
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My first choice was the PAM372 but my wrist just couldn't handle it. With an 8.25" the 422 is a no brainer IMO.
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21 July 2016, 03:49 AM | #8 |
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422 or 372. I just wish they looked correct on my 6.75" wrist.
You'll love either of them, I'm sure. |
21 July 2016, 06:02 AM | #9 |
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Go try them on! I've found Panerai to be a little deceptive about their size on the wrist. I've tried on some 44mm PAMs that wear very large and some 47mm PAMs that feel the same as my SubC.
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To buck the trend, I'm saying 351. I've had many Panerai's, although not a 233 which I am considering because that version of GMT for Panerai is a thing of beauty and I do travel. I had a 311 and like the domed crystal but not any more than the regular one. I do like the power reserve and especially hidden on the back but.... I always come back to the 351 for the titanium weight, gold hands and brown dial. Everyone seems to love it but some say it limits strap combos. I disagree! Other things to consider are other complications, do you like complications, you mentioned not caring about the date but the 233 has a seconds reset and a fabulous get function both of which I miss a lot actually, and the 351 wouldn't have that. Now that I made my other watch purchase, I really want my Panerai back so far the 351 is in the lead followed but the 233 and lagging further back are a few other models. I'd skip consideration of the 312 or any other 1950 of that ilk since you're looking at the 351 already. The 392/1392 models are interesting too. I've also looked at the 392 even though I'm a 44mm guy. I'm really looking forward to seeing the 1392 in person.
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422 all day. In my opinion it's far more "iconic" and a classier panerai look, all while being substantially sexier with the domed crystal, polished case, and 47mm size. The 1950s case in 47mm wears very nicely, and at your size would look entirely appropriate. Good luck and enjoy the hunt!
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As gorgeous as the 422 is, I may end up going with a 44mm. Bummed! |
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Ideally I'd find the domed crystal and gold hands of the 372/422 in a 44mm 1950 case with a cleaner dial and lower MSRP than the 233! The crystal + hands of the 372/422 are just stunning. Can't get enough of them. It's the damn wrist size/difficulty getting the watch centered on the wrist that is throwing me off. Quote:
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Honestly the 392/1392 felt like a fine size-- the SA at the boutique tried to move me away from it and suggested it was a "women's" PAM, but it just looked like a normal-sized watch. The thinner case of the 1392 is really, really nice! The SA claimed I liked the smaller PAM because wearing my 40mm Sub had made it hard to feel comfortable with a bigger watch. He said he'd sold a lot of 42mm PAMs to people who'd ended up regretting it. Who knows? I am really torn about which direction to go in with this purchase, but I have a serious itch for a new piece, so I'm trying hard to slow down and make the right choice. I wonder how many times I'll have to visit the boutique before they tell me to stop coming in if I am not ready to buy yet... |
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Here you go. I got several more strap after i let the 351 go. I had it and a 311 at the same time. Basically let the 351 go due to both being the same colour dial. I kept the 311 because it had more complications and was worth more. I got rid of the wrong watch! Ended up parting with the 351 and omega planet ocean 9300 and getting an AP. Now I need a PAM back and the 351 is leading the way followed closely by the 233.
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Sorry but I got way more straps after he 351. The JV strap is by far my fav strap, the brown gator was second. I gravitate towards own straps because they fit perfectly. The only aftermarket strap that fit was a ABP strap which was awesome but I don't have the pic on my phone. Panerai has the ranger which I'll pick up after I get my new Panerai. It looked great with the cashmere strap and the canvass strap. Looked pretty good with the black gator too.
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just as an fyi. my wrist is 7.75" there are more pics on my flicker and instragram.
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i'm afraid that specific combo (domed + gold hands + 44) doesn't exist. if you want gold hands + 44, you can consider the 351 or 390 (which is a bettarini case model, not 1950s case). |
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422 for sure.. But if you have enough financial support then try the 233..
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You are big, do 422 :)
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Here are some pics of each one on-- I went back to the boutique today to try them on. Would appreciate feedback!
PAM 422 PAM 351 Am really torn about which one to go with! More specifically, does the 47mm look too big? |
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I'm 6'0 and 228lbs with Crossfit physique and 7.5 wrist. Here is my 351. Tough choice. |
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Looks fantastic. I'm really gonna have a hard time picking myself! I loved my 351. I was a little bored with it but still love the look where the 233 has a gmt and seconds reset which I like. I love the lume on the 351. I'm not a fan of the ecru lume.
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422 over 351 any day , I have a 422 and I love it more each passing day or if you can live with plexi than try the new 673 marina militare special edition
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Both look great, and you should have no hesitation with the 422 if that's what you prefer - the fit is that good on you!
Have you considered a destro model like the 557? |
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