New Turn-O-Graph design in the future??

[douglasf13]

I know that a lot of Sub wearers like myself aren't actually divers, but we still like wearing a Sub because of the timing bezel. Ironically, the original Sub was based on a very similar looking 6202 Turn-O-Graph that was designed without diving in mind.

So, while I know that a very different looking Turn-O-Graph (Thunderbird) was available for a long time, I'm curious if anyone would be interested in a more "Sub" looking Turn-O-Graph that more or less looked like a Sub, but was less expensive and smaller with the more standard 100M water rating. Would that be pointless when we already have the Sub option? I think it would be a cool option. Do you???

Maybe that would be a fun project for Tudor?

[GradyPhilpott]

I don't expect that Rolex will turn back the clock on that one, but I wouldn't be surprised to see another iteration of the Turn-O-Graph at some time in the future.

It's made a couple of appearances since that one was released.

[douglasf13]

I was thinking it would be a cool way for Rolex to go back to a Sub-type watch with thinner lugs. It could kind of be a "Sub-lite," with only 100m water resistance.

[GradyPhilpott]

Originally Posted by douglasf13

I was thinking it would be a cool way for Rolex to go back to a Sub-type watch with thinner lugs. It could kind of be a "Sub-lite," with only 100m water resistance.

I think a slimming of the maxi-case is also a big possibility, as I've read in the media of late that the public is tiring of huge watches.

As Gerardus told us, there are only five people in the world who know what Rolex will do before the ball starts rolling.

I don't expect a Sub-lite, though, personally.

Tudor has introduced a smaller version of the Black Bay, the BB36, but they left off the timing bezel.

[douglasf13]

Originally Posted by GradyPhilpott

I think a slimming of the maxi-case is also a big possibility, as I've read in the media of late that the public is tiring of huge watches.

As Gerardus told us, there are only five people in the world who know what Rolex will do before the ball starts rolling.

I don't expect a Sub-lite, though, personally.

Tudor has introduced a smaller version of the Black Bay, the BB36, but they left off the timing bezel.

Yeah, I'm sure it's unlikely. I think it would be cool, though. Essentially a GMT case, but less expensive (no GMT function) with a timing bezel. I'd love to know what percentage of Sub wearers don't actually dive, but use the timing bezel all the time like I do.

The BB36 could be a good candidate for such a thing.

[GradyPhilpott]

Originally Posted by douglasf13

I'd love to know what percentage of Sub wearers don't actually dive, but use the timing bezel all the time like I do.

I would say that that is probably very close to 100%. At least, I would hope so.

A dive watch isn't just about depth rating, it's also about being robust enough to handle rough treatment.

I bought my first dive watch, a Bulova, in the 70s (1974, I think), when I worked on a potash mine loading dock.

It was tough, dirty work and I needed a tough watch. I used the bezel to time the belts going to the dock when I was operating one of the front-end loaders in the warehouses, so I could take a break from time to time for some fresh air and such.

I actually still have that watch. It was a smart purchase.

[Professorfingers]

I really like the (although slight) winder protection with the Sub. My old Seamaster has this and it's a feature I really like.

I think I'll use the bezel as I get used to my Sub. And not for diving.

[douglasf13]

Originally Posted by GradyPhilpott

I would say that that is probably very close to 100%. At least, I would hope so.

A dive watch isn't just about depth rating, it's also about being robust enough to handle rough treatment.

I bought my first dive watch, a Bulova, in the 70s (1974, I think), when I worked on a potash mine loading dock.

It was tough, dirty work and I needed a tough watch. I used the bezel to time the belts going to the dock when I was operating one of the front-end loaders in the warehouses, so I could take a break from time to time for some fresh air and such.

I actually still have that watch. It was a smart purchase.

I hear you. I'm just not sure my Sub is much tougher than a GMT, so I'm sure a GMT with a timing bezel (and no GMT complication) would be fine. I'd bet such a watch would outsell the old Thunderbird, at least.

[JP Chestnut]

I'm a big fan of the DJ/thunderbird/TOG design. I'm not sure doing a pseudo-sub design makes sense.

[GradyPhilpott]

Originally Posted by douglasf13

I hear you. I'm just not sure my Sub is much tougher than a GMT, so I'm sure a GMT with a timing bezel (and no GMT complication) would be fine. I'd bet such a watch would outsell the old Thunderbird, at least.

I think you're right about toughness, as are all Oysters tough enough for heavy duty circumstances.

I'm not sure that people would jump on another model jammed into the sport line that has everything a Sub has except for depth-rating.

The one thing I always try to remember when I think of Rolex is that they have a long history of making good marketing decisions with a few bobbles here and there.

[douglasf13]

Originally Posted by GradyPhilpott

I think you're right about toughness, as are all Oysters tough enough for heavy duty circumstances.

I'm not sure that people would jump on another model jammed into the sport line that has everything a Sub has except for depth-rating.

The one thing I always try to remember when I think of Rolex is that they have a long history of making good marketing decisions with a few bobbles here and there.

Yeah, that's why I was thinking it could be their chance to bring back the thinner lugs. They could keep the maxi-case Sub, and then bring in the smaller Turn-O-Graph to slot in under it.

[landroverking]

The TOG has always been closer to vintage James Bond Sub than any modern Sub or Sub Date

[fskywalker]

Originally Posted by JP Chestnut

I'm a big fan of the DJ/thunderbird/TOG design. I'm not sure doing a pseudo-sub design makes sense.

Doubt that will happen; if you like TOG design just grab one any of its flavors (older series, newest series, ss or TT). My TOG says hi!




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[douglasf13]

Originally Posted by JP Chestnut

I'm a big fan of the DJ/thunderbird/TOG design. I'm not sure doing a pseudo-sub design makes sense.

I'm not a big fan of that design, and, either way, it's no longer made, so I think it would be cool if Rolex went back to the original concept.

One of the popular reasons I often see for choosing a GMT over a Sub is that it's more comfortable to wear, which is why I could imagine a GMT sized TOG that's a bit less expensive than a Sub ND.

[douglasf13]

In other words, it would be like an Sub ND, but only 12mm thick and maybe 38mm in diameter, for under $7K. I think it would be popular, especially for us who don't like the Maxi-Case.

[49ers101hitters]

Originally Posted by GradyPhilpott

I would say that that is probably very close to 100%. At least, I would hope so.

If you ask me, all Submariners deserve to go diving. I'm going to get my divers certification while wearing mine this fall

[TheVTCGuy]

I would ABSOLUTELY love a new TOG design, the one thing I miss about my GMT as compared to my EX II is the movable bezel. My guess is though, if they brought it back, it would be more like a DJ II then a sub. I would love to see it in a 41MM size.

[douglasf13]

Originally Posted by 49ers101hitters

If you ask me, all Submariners deserve to go diving. I'm going to get my divers certification while wearing mine this fall

Yeah, that's kinda my point. The original TOG looked great and had a timing bezel without the dive rating, which could be good for many of us.

[skydriver]

Originally Posted by fskywalker

Doubt that will happen; if you like TOG design just grab one any of its flavors (older series, newest series, ss or TT). My TOG says hi!




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Your Turn-O-Graph is simply beautiful.

[fskywalker]

Originally Posted by skydriver

Your Turn-O-Graph is simply beautiful.

Thanks!


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[speedolex]

Originally Posted by skydriver

Your Turn-O-Graph is simply beautiful.

His brother likes him too.

[49ers101hitters]

Originally Posted by speedolex

His brother likes him too.

Good looking watch!

[fskywalker]

Originally Posted by speedolex

His brother likes him too.

[ronin_ph]

Originally Posted by GradyPhilpott

I would say that that is probably very close to 100%. At least, I would hope so.

A dive watch isn't just about depth rating, it's also about being robust enough to handle rough treatment.

I bought my first dive watch, a Bulova, in the 70s (1974, I think), when I worked on a potash mine loading dock.

It was tough, dirty work and I needed a tough watch. I used the bezel to time the belts going to the dock when I was operating one of the front-end loaders in the warehouses, so I could take a break from time to time for some fresh air and such.

I actually still have that watch. It was a smart purchase.

awesome


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[JP Chestnut]

Originally Posted by speedolex

His brother likes him too.

I'm thinking of that for one of my next couple buys.

[Blingtone]

Originally Posted by speedolex

His brother likes him too.

I had this same watch when it came out (2007 ish) bought it because I liked the red details, nice but as I already had the 2 line 10460M, it seemed to wear a bit 'small' (not a fan of bigger watches normally, but I think the TOG would really suit a 39 makeover), so sadly within a month, it became my 2nd flip (bagged my Anniversary Sub LV)