Looking to buy an Explorer 2

[cwmehring]

I'm looking to buy an explorer II 216570. Is there anything I should be looking out for? Any advice on purchasing my first Rolex?


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[MBYSF]

Great piece! You'll love it. Super comfortable!

[japenney]

If its your first time.buying you need to buy from an authorized dealer or trusted seller so you can be 100% confident in the authenticity of your purchase. For trusted sellers I would recommend davidSW.com and Takuyawatches.com. you can get a 216570 for a great price.

[ernie2]

This watch is big. make sure you have thick wrists and go check it out in person before you buy it.

[BNA/LION]

Go to your local, AD try it on and buy it from a Trusted Seller on TRF!

[thehighwayjazz]

I am biased. I bought the black dial since it might be my one and only Rolex. Yes indeed it is a big watch so there is a need to personally try it. I have small wrist (around 6'25) but so far I still feel comfortable with it.

[Mick P]

Originally Posted by BNALION

Go to your local, AD try it on and buy it from a Trusted Seller on TRF!

If you genuinely think it is moral to go into a shop just to try on a watch and waste everyones time in the full and certain knowledge that you are going to buy from someone else, then you have a serious problem with your ethical standards.

The least you should do is ask them to match or get near the price of a grey dealer but to walk in and deliberately waste their time makes you a very unpleasant person.

To recommend such a course of action is even worse.

We all have the right to chose between an AD and a grey dealer but certain standards of behaviour are need and should be practiced.

Your advice must rank as the most unethical that I have ever read on this forum.

Mick

[emersm]

Originally Posted by mick p

if you genuinely think it is moral to go into a shop just to try on a watch and waste everyones time in the full and certain knowledge that you are going to buy from someone else, then you have a serious problem with your ethical standards.

The least you should do is ask them to match or get near the price of a grey dealer but to walk in and deliberately waste their time makes you a very unpleasant person.

To recommend such a course of action is even worse.

Your advice must rank as the most unethical that i have read on this forum.

Mick

x2^

[JLM3]

x3

[superdog]

Originally Posted by Mick P

If you genuinely think it is moral to go into a shop just to try on a watch and waste everyones time in the full and certain knowledge that you are going to buy from someone else, then you have a serious problem with your ethical standards.

The least you should do is ask them to match or get near the price of a grey dealer but to walk in and deliberately waste their time makes you a very unpleasant person.

To recommend such a course of action is even worse.

We all have the right to chose between an AD and a grey dealer but certain standards of behaviour are need and should be practiced.

Your advice must rank as the most unethical that I have ever read on this forum.

Mick

Mick, how do you ever get down from a horse that is so high?

Do I agree with the post you are commenting on? Not necessarily, but unethical?? Is he stealing babies and selling them? Lying on a job application? Gambling away his wife's retirement money?

And realistically, while your suggestion to have them match a price is fair, that is one of the pitfalls of having a retail store. It is reality. And because of that reality they also benefit from the flip side of it. It's part of retail.

Half the forum would tell him the same exact thing. And more than half the world does the exact same thing. Ever hear of Amazon? It's basically taking over the new marketplace.

For better or worse, the world is changing. just like it always has.

OP, either way, go try it on. And then do what you think is best.

[1William]

Great watch. I would buy slightly pre-owned from a Trusted Seller and enjoy.

[Mick P]

Originally Posted by superdog

Mick, how do you ever get down from a horse that is so high?

Do I agree with the post you are commenting on? Not necessarily, but unethical?? Is he stealing babies and selling them? Lying on a job application? Gambling away his wife's retirement money?

And realistically, while your suggestion to have them match a price is fair, that is one of the pitfalls of having a retail store. It is reality. And because of that reality they also benefit from the flip side of it. It's part of retail.

Half the forum would tell him the same exact thing. And more than half the world does the exact same thing. Ever hear of Amazon? It's basically taking over the new marketplace.

For better or worse, the world is changing. just like it always has.

OP, either way, go try it on. And then do what you think is best.

Seth

No one with an ounce of decency will walk into an ADs shop, mess them around with trying on watches etc in the certain knowledge that they will walk out of the store and buy somewhere else.

I agree that AD's do not have a God given right to sell a Rolex but common decency dictates that you treat them fairly, hence my suggestion that the AD is asked to match the grey dealers price or lower it to an acceptable level.

If anyone feels that the approach recommended by BNALION is reasonable, then they are lacking in any sense of common decency. What is even worse was that he made a joke of it. It is not about being on a high horse, it is about practicing acceptable standards of behaviour.

I am a retired Purchasing Manager, so I know how to get a good deal, but the one thing I never did, or would allow my staff to do, was to deliberately mislead a supplier. Business is based on trust and the moment you go away from that, you are sliding on a slippery slope to the bottom.

Regards

Mick

[masyv6]

Originally Posted by ernie2

This watch is big. make sure you have thick wrists and go check it out in person before you buy it.

x2! I was surprised by the size of the Exp II.

[beshannon]

Originally Posted by ernie2

This watch is big. make sure you have thick wrists and go check it out in person before you buy it.

Agreed, go and look at one and try it on.

[Saoirse32]

Originally Posted by Mick P

Seth

No one with an ounce of decency will walk into an ADs shop, mess them around with trying on watches etc in the certain knowledge that they will walk out of the store and buy somewhere else.

I agree that AD's do not have a God given right to sell a Rolex but common decency dictates that you treat them fairly, hence my suggestion that the AD is asked to match the grey dealers price or lower it to an acceptable level.

If anyone feels that the approach recommended by BNALION is reasonable, then they are lacking in any sense of common decency. What is even worse was that he made a joke of it. It is not about being on a high horse, it is about practicing acceptable standards of behaviour.

I am a retired Purchasing Manager, so I know how to get a good deal, but the one thing I never did, or would allow my staff to do, was to deliberately mislead a supplier. Business is based on trust and the moment you go away from that, you are sliding on a slippery slope to the bottom.

Regards

Mick

Here we go again, same old crap again...Mick, like Seth said, come down from that high horse, you're out of line with your continuous sanctimonious posts. Slainte!

[Saoirse32]

Originally Posted by BNALION

Go to your local, AD try it on and buy it from a Trusted Seller on TRF!

OP, nothing wrong with this (disregard Mick P). Many on this forum do or have done the exact same thing. The only caveat i would add, and I'm betting Bnalion didn't think it was necessary to state in his post above because most would do it anyway, is nothing wrong in giving the AD a chance to try to come close to a TS or grey market. My small AD was within $200 so I went with the AD. Good luck!

[Mick P]

Originally Posted by Saoirse32

OP, nothing wrong with this (disregard Mick P). Many on this forum do or have done the exact same thing. The only caveat i would add, and I'm betting Bnalion didn't think it was necessary to state in his post above because most would do it anyway, is nothing wrong in giving the AD a chance to try to come close to a TS or grey market. My small AD was within $200 so I went with the AD. Good luck!

That was what I suggested, so you are on the same high horse as me. - try to get the AD to either match the grey dealer price or at least reduce it to an acceptable level. What is wrong is trying on watches in the full knowledge you will buy from a grey dealer without giving the AD a chance to lower his price.

Mick

[watchwatcher]

OK. Let's get back on topic.

The OP is looking to buy an EXP2. It is a great watch, IMO. The most difficult thing for me would be to pick which color dial. As others have suggested, be sure to try both out and see which one you prefer. Good luck!

[Duey]

I love mine but you might want to read these links on the 3187 and 3186 movements. I haven't seen a lot of posts come up lately on these issues

http://www.rolexforums.com/showthrea...=3187+explorer

[cwmehring]

Thanks for all the replies.
So, I have tried this watch on before. I found one in Reno at a Watch shop, his was used and a decent price. My biggest issue is that I'm confused by all the different model numbers and serial number versions. I've done quite a bit of research and I want to make sure I don't make a mistake when I buy one.
I want the 42mm version. Black dial and with the orange "Explorer II" on the face. If one of you were buying this watch what would you be looking for? Are there serial number variations to stay away from (I keep hearing about "k serial" ( (just an example letter) )in FS posts.)?


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[cwmehring]

Originally Posted by Duey

I love mine but you might want to read these links on the 3187 and 3186 movements. I haven't seen a lot of posts come up lately on these issues



http://www.rolexforums.com/showthrea...=3187+explorer

Thanks for the heads up. This is exactly what I was looking for.


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[Duey]

Originally Posted by watchwatcher

OK. Let's get back on topic.

The OP is looking to buy an EXP2. It is a great watch, IMO. The most difficult thing for me would be to pick which color dial. As others have suggested, be sure to try both out and see which one you prefer. Good luck!

x2 the color is the difficult thing

[cwmehring]

Originally Posted by Duey

x2 the color is the difficult thing

X3! I'm going black. But I've thought long and hard over that item.


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[amh]

Originally Posted by masyv6

x2! I was surprised by the size of the Exp II.

Originally Posted by ernie2

This watch is big. make sure you have thick wrists and go check it out in person before you buy it.

The size of the Exp II is often overstated - it's hardly larger than a GMT/Sub. Comparison vs GMT II below:

Expl II ----------- GMT II BLNR
Endlink Width 21mm 20mm
Lug - Lug Length 50.1mm 48 mm
Height 12.5mm 12mm
Width inc/crown 45mm 44.3mm
Weight w/o bracelet 83g 75g

Reference:
(For full size pics)
https://www.minus4plus6.com/216570.php

[Speed]

Originally Posted by cwmehring

Thanks for all the replies.
So, I have tried this watch on before. I found one in Reno at a Watch shop, his was used and a decent price. My biggest issue is that I'm confused by all the different model numbers and serial number versions. I've done quite a bit of research and I want to make sure I don't make a mistake when I buy one.
I want the 42mm version. Black dial and with the orange "Explorer II" on the face. If one of you were buying this watch what would you be looking for? Are there serial number variations to stay away from (I keep hearing about "k serial" ( (just an example letter) )in FS posts.)?


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Not sure I follow you.

If you're looking at the explorer 2 42mm there is only one model #. 216570.

These would all have random serial numbers. Rolex switched to random numbers around 2010 to make it more difficult to approximate date of mfg.

K was for a much older 40mm version. Irrelevant t for you.

You want a model 216570.

Find one in great condition for a price you are willing to pay. Look at used models here in the classified section to see the range of prices.

IMO the black model is a bit silly. The dial is matte black while the black on the hands is glossy. Not a fan.

I prefer the older 40mm models. Much better proportioned.

Any further questions?

[Justinmg]

Originally Posted by Mick P

If you genuinely think it is moral to go into a shop just to try on a watch and waste everyones time in the full and certain knowledge that you are going to buy from someone else, then you have a serious problem with your ethical standards.

The least you should do is ask them to match or get near the price of a grey dealer but to walk in and deliberately waste their time makes you a very unpleasant person.

To recommend such a course of action is even worse.

We all have the right to chose between an AD and a grey dealer but certain standards of behaviour are need and should be practiced.

Your advice must rank as the most unethical that I have ever read on this forum.

Mick

I can't believe this comment... Defiantly the rudest and most self righteous comment I have ever read on here, I have had some great times in a AD just talking watches with the sales guy and trying on watches with no intentions of buying them. Every hobie I have ever had, I've spent time In shops just looking at gear and talking because we shared a similar Passion. Come on man!!

[emersm]

Originally Posted by Justinmg

I can't believe this comment... Defiantly the rudest and most self righteous comment I have ever read on here, I have had some great times in a AD just talking watches with the sales guy and trying on watches with no intentions of buying them. Every hobie I have ever had, I've spent time In shops just looking at gear and talking because we shared a similar Passion. Come on man!!

I disagree. In my opinion an AD is not a hobby house where you come in to chat about a similar passion. I don't want people coming into my business to talk about their passions if they have no desire to give me any business. I suppose ethics are subjective.

[Sublover2166]

Originally Posted by Mick P

If you genuinely think it is moral to go into a shop just to try on a watch and waste everyones time in the full and certain knowledge that you are going to buy from someone else, then you have a serious problem with your ethical standards.

The least you should do is ask them to match or get near the price of a grey dealer but to walk in and deliberately waste their time makes you a very unpleasant person.

To recommend such a course of action is even worse.

We all have the right to chose between an AD and a grey dealer but certain standards of behaviour are need and should be practiced.

Your advice must rank as the most unethical that I have ever read on this forum.

Mick

I agree with his advice. Unethical? We are talking about buying a luxury product. Lawyers, Doctors, Politicians, they should be practicing ethics.
I walked into the closest AD near me at the time and tried on a Hulk to see the watch in the flesh. Roughly 6 months later I purchased said watch from a TRF seller here and saved a significant amount of cash. Not to worry, somebody bought the Hulk I tried on at the AD. Should I feel guilty about my actions? Nah.

[Justinmg]

Originally Posted by emersm

I disagree. In my opinion an AD is not a hobby house where you come in to chat about a similar passion. I don't want people coming into my business to talk about their passions if they have no desire to give me any business. I suppose ethics are subjective.

We all have opinions, but calling someone unethical because you disagree with there actions (which involves just trying on a watch) is rude and shouldn't be tolerated on this forum. As far as a hobby, I can't speak for anyone on here but for me, watches are very much a hobby and passion. The business you described sounds just like every Rolex AD I have been in and that's why I would never give them my business.

[cwmehring]

In my opinion, I think it's in a brands best interest to require ADs to let people try on watches even if they don't have an intent to buy. Once you get one on your wrist it makes you want to buy one. Wether you buy it today or in 20 years it has a butterfly effect throughout the entire ecosystem.
I catch the Rolex bug from trying on an Explorer at an AD when I was out window shopping Breitlings and happened across a Rolex dealer. I had no intention of buying the Rolex when I went in but now I'm buying one.
Now that I'm buying someone else's used Rolex it frees up space down stream for the sale of a new Rolex. Thus making Rolex several thousands of dollars. If Rolex and the ADs were not friendly and didn't let people try on watches then they would be losing revenue.
Just my observation.


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