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zomorrom · 1 October 2016, 09:45 AM

Hey All!

New to this Forum and to Tudor collecting scene. Would love your feedback on this if you think this watch is genuine. Thinking about purchasing, here are some photos.

Seriously I want to thank you all in advance for helping out and building my education on this topic. I really Appreciate it.

Thanks!

Watch is Described as:

TUDOR PRINCE DATE 18K /SS TWO TONE BLACK DIAL TUDOR ROSE

Year of build: 1970-1979

mr.nice_watch · 1 October 2016, 09:47 AM

Authentic

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zomorrom · 1 October 2016, 09:57 AM

Can I ask for my own education how you know/came to the conclusion?

GLADIATOR · 1 October 2016, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by mr.nice_watch

authentic

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really???
And are all those movement photos the same movement?

zomorrom · 1 October 2016, 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GLADIATOR

really???
And are all those movement photos the same movement?

To my knowledge yes, can you expand on your hesitations? Fake/authentic?

GLADIATOR · 2 October 2016, 02:49 AM

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Originally Posted by zomorrom

To my knowledge yes, can you expand on your hesitations? Fake/authentic?

The movement does not look like an ETA 2450 (or later version) used by TUDOR. The engraving? (writing) on the rotor of TUDOR looks wrong to me.
And should the back case not have the "Tudor" rose on it, as per the dial??

What movement are you indicating this watch used that would be authentic!
Adam

zomorrom · 2 October 2016, 03:09 AM

I honestly have a very limited understanding of Tudor hence why I posted here.

I'm trying to get a gauge of this is real Tudor, Fake, or even a Frankenstein. Any feedback is appreciated.

So you all know more about this than me!

Anyone else have any perspective?

GLADIATOR · 2 October 2016, 03:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zomorrom

I honestly have a very limited understanding of Tudor hence why I posted here.

I'm trying to get a gauge of this is real Tudor, Fake, or even a Frankenstein. Any feedback is appreciated.

So you all know more about this than me!

Anyone else have any perspective?

Thats fine, knowing TUDOR is not so well known.
I really wonder if Mr-Nice-Watch was just being sarcastic. That movement does NOT look ETA to me, and the "writing" on the ROTOR should be engraved?

J!m · 2 October 2016, 03:25 AM

I believe it is a 2784 not a "2450" which I've never heard of.

Bracelet is much newer than the dial. I'm not an expert on rose dials so I can't comment on that other than to say if this came from Tudor like this, it is a very late rose dial.

May very well be a Frankenstein but I believe the parts (other than dial because I'm not sure) are authentic.

Not a big deal either way but the Crystal appears correct too.

zomorrom · 2 October 2016, 03:30 AM

Gladiator and Jim

You all are awesome thanks for all that.

Jim what are your thoughts on Gladiator's word on the engraving that was the first thing odd to me too. Have you heard of Tudor ever doing the engraving like that? Also is the movement you are talking about an ETA still? Excuse my ignorance there.

You think the bracelet is newer but still genuine Tudor too? I guess I'm looking to get a vintage Tudor but have some fleaxbility with Frankenstein vs authentic. Tell me if you all think that's flawed hahah.

Thanks for educating a pleeb like me on Tudor guys.

Love it

GLADIATOR · 2 October 2016, 03:54 AM

Hi Jim
2450 is the earlier ETA movement used by TUDOR, see here:
http://www.ranfft.de/cgi-bin/bidfun-...2uswk&ETA_2450

Maybe the OPS "is" the ETA movement, Sadly I can not see the ETA logo

1jracing · 2 October 2016, 08:28 AM

Wrong rotor for Tudor rose dial - also bezel and crown on a rose dial should be 14k, not 18k - I'd pass

GLADIATOR · 2 October 2016, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by 1jracing

Wrong rotor for Tudor rose dial - also bezel and crown on a rose dial should be 14k, not 18k - I'd pass

That makes sense, it really did not look correct
Thanks

J!m · 2 October 2016, 09:56 AM

That rotor (whole movement) looks like the 2784 in my 9411, which is well past rose era. I'm frankly surprised the feet positions are not totally wrong; or the dial is aftermarket I thought the rose ended with the 390 movement... And the 390 has the dial feet inboard. And I think that was no date only.

I know much more about the 9411 and 2784 because I was on the hunt for one and educated myself. I didn't get into the early models enough to learn the details I did for the later models.

J!m · 2 October 2016, 10:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GLADIATOR

Hi Jim
2450 is the earlier ETA movement used by TUDOR, see here:
http://www.ranfft.de/cgi-bin/bidfun-...2uswk&ETA_2450

Maybe the OPS "is" the ETA movement, Sadly I can not see the ETA logo

Maybe a 2452 as it has the date. I have seen those rotors but never went further than to know it was not a 2784, which was my "prey".

The rotor engraving shown here is the same on my 2784.

Based on all the comments it is safe to say it is a Frankenstein at best. Move along to another unless you just need parts.

RKTudor · 2 October 2016, 07:48 PM

I collect Tudor extensively and finding these 100% original is so hard. I'm leaning towards thinking its a replaced rotor (aftermarket), potentially a swapped movement and a redone dial. I'd stay away.

1 October 2016, 09:45 AM	#1
zomorrom "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2016 Location: DC Posts: 6	Need Advice for Getting this Tudor Please Help! Hey All! New to this Forum and to Tudor collecting scene. Would love your feedback on this if you think this watch is genuine. Thinking about purchasing, here are some photos. Seriously I want to thank you all in advance for helping out and building my education on this topic. I really Appreciate it. Thanks! Watch is Described as: TUDOR PRINCE DATE 18K /SS TWO TONE BLACK DIAL TUDOR ROSE Year of build: 1970-1979 Attached Images

2 October 2016, 03:54 AM	#11
GLADIATOR "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Real Name: Adam Location: Costa Blanca, Watch: YMII,GMTII,DAYTONA Posts: 5,288	Hi Jim 2450 is the earlier ETA movement used by TUDOR, see here: http://www.ranfft.de/cgi-bin/bidfun-...2uswk&ETA_2450 Maybe the OPS "is" the ETA movement, Sadly I can not see the ETA logo __________________ The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. Winston Churchill "We judge ourselves by what we feel capable of doing, while others judge us by what we have already done."

1 October 2016, 09:47 AM	#2
mr.nice_watch "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2015 Real Name: Giorgio Location: NYC Watch: Deep Sea-Blue Posts: 141	Authentic Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

1 October 2016, 09:57 AM	#3
zomorrom "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2016 Location: DC Posts: 6	Can I ask for my own education how you know/came to the conclusion?

2 October 2016, 03:09 AM	#7
zomorrom "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2016 Location: DC Posts: 6	I honestly have a very limited understanding of Tudor hence why I posted here. I'm trying to get a gauge of this is real Tudor, Fake, or even a Frankenstein. Any feedback is appreciated. So you all know more about this than me! Anyone else have any perspective?

2 October 2016, 03:25 AM	#9
J!m "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Real Name: Jim Location: Connecticut Watch: this! Hold my beer Posts: 2,839	I believe it is a 2784 not a "2450" which I've never heard of. Bracelet is much newer than the dial. I'm not an expert on rose dials so I can't comment on that other than to say if this came from Tudor like this, it is a very late rose dial. May very well be a Frankenstein but I believe the parts (other than dial because I'm not sure) are authentic. Not a big deal either way but the Crystal appears correct too.

2 October 2016, 03:30 AM	#10
zomorrom "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2016 Location: DC Posts: 6	Gladiator and Jim You all are awesome thanks for all that. Jim what are your thoughts on Gladiator's word on the engraving that was the first thing odd to me too. Have you heard of Tudor ever doing the engraving like that? Also is the movement you are talking about an ETA still? Excuse my ignorance there. You think the bracelet is newer but still genuine Tudor too? I guess I'm looking to get a vintage Tudor but have some fleaxbility with Frankenstein vs authentic. Tell me if you all think that's flawed hahah. Thanks for educating a pleeb like me on Tudor guys. Love it

2 October 2016, 08:28 AM	#12
1jracing "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2015 Real Name: Richard Location: Ohio/Villages, Fl Watch: GMT/Sub/others Posts: 21	Wrong rotor for Tudor rose dial - also bezel and crown on a rose dial should be 14k, not 18k - I'd pass

2 October 2016, 09:56 AM	#14
J!m "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Real Name: Jim Location: Connecticut Watch: this! Hold my beer Posts: 2,839	That rotor (whole movement) looks like the 2784 in my 9411, which is well past rose era. I'm frankly surprised the feet positions are not totally wrong; or the dial is aftermarket I thought the rose ended with the 390 movement... And the 390 has the dial feet inboard. And I think that was no date only. I know much more about the 9411 and 2784 because I was on the hunt for one and educated myself. I didn't get into the early models enough to learn the details I did for the later models.

2 October 2016, 07:48 PM	#16
RKTudor "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2016 Real Name: Rick Location: Emmaus, PA Watch: Tudor 79090 blue Posts: 298	I collect Tudor extensively and finding these 100% original is so hard. I'm leaning towards thinking its a replaced rotor (aftermarket), potentially a swapped movement and a redone dial. I'd stay away.

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