Looking for opinions.

[Bigsykedaddy]

TLDR: (I'm gonna attempt this, but probably won't go well.)

- Can't stand not having a date on my watch.
- Most likely sold the watch locally for $200 less than I paid.
- I am either going to buy the SubC Date or the BLNR.
- AD won't let me purchase a Daytona when my name is called without having a prior transaction with him.
- Both the Sub C and BLNR have great pro's and cons.
- BLNR really spoke to me in person and is gorgeous! Much more comfortable on my wrist, but no glide lock or quick set date. It's also more expensive and if I go through DSW and pay for the cheaper one it doesn't come with a hang tag and I lose out on the Daytona (which at this point I may just wait 5-10 years until the hype dies down and pick one up then.
- Sub is my favorite looking watch but uncomfortable for me



Hey guys I just wanted to get some of your opinions, and also kind of make myself a pros and cons list at the same time.

I posted a week or so ago that I wasn't thrilled with my 114060 because of how it fit my wrist. While I did find a somewhat comfortable configuration I have been regretting not getting the date version every time I look down at my wrist. This was going to be my one and only Rolex until my name got called for the DaytonaC and since the Daytona doesn't have a date I really would like one watch that has it.

So as some of you suggested I tried on the GMT (because it sits flatter on your wrist) and OMG is it so much more comfortable on my wrist. I have a few options and would just like to mull it over publicly and also get some opinions from the pros (you guys.)


Okay so, I found someone locally willing to pay me almost as much as I paid a trusted seller on these forums for my watch. (I would be losing $200 which is not bad at all IMO and better than the $4,000 the AD wanted to give me as a trade in for a month old watch.) If all goes well tomorrow and the authenticity checks out (which it will) I will have most of my cash back and looking to buy a watch with a date.

Here is what I am trying to decide between and I know, I will buy what sings to me and what I truly want in the end but it's nice to have different thoughts (I enjoy talking to other people who are also interested in watches.)

I could buy;

- Submariner C Date from my local AD for $1,445 out of pocket (Tax NOT included)
- GMT Batman from DSW missing one hangtag for $1,925 out of pocket.
- GMT Batman unworn from DSW for $2,525 out of pocket
- Datejust II Blue Stick Dial from DSW and I would be gaining $375
- Datejust II Blue Stick Dial fluted bezel from DSW for $1,225 out of pocket.

Some conditions:

To be able to purchase the Daytona when my name is called (probably sometime in 2018 he said) it cannot be the first purchase I make from him. I don't have to buy a Rolex from him. I can buy my wife some diamond earings or something like that, but it just can't be our first transaction. So if I go through DSW or another trusted seller I would still have to spend some money with the AD to be able to purchase the Daytona down the road.

Now to the pros and cons.

Pros to the Submariner C Date (116610):

- I love the look of the Submariner it has been my favorite watch forever, I just should have initially went with the date version. I really liked the clean look of the dial and the symmetry ont he 114060 but not having the date was driving me absolutely nuts.

- The glide lock clasp is amazing!
- I do love the look of the brushed bracelet and it won't show scratches and smudges as much as PCL's.
- I am more of a casual dresser (I own my own business and I don't have to work directly with the public.)
- I tend to do rigorous activities from time to time.
- Quick set date feature.

Cons to the SubC Date - It is not anywhere as comfortable as the GMT to me and this is a pretty big con IMO.


Pros to the BLNR:

- I absolutely love the way this watch looks! When I first saw it in person and tried it on it was absolutely gorgeous and just spoke to me.

- MUCH more comfortable on my wrist.
- GMT function I guess? (I travel but not enough to warrant a GMT hand)
- Black and Blue is my favorite color combo. (Air Jordan 1 Fragments are my favorite pair of shoes I own, just in case any of you are into shoes.)
- Maybe polished center links? I like the way they look, but they could also be a con after getting all scratched up.

Cons to the BLNR:

- If I want to save a little money and go through DSW I don't end up with the full set, or if I do pay for the full set it's close enough to what I would be paying at the AD. That being the case it may be it for me to go the AD route to be able to purchase the Daytona.

- Significantly more expensive than the SubC Date (My AD won't discount the Batman at all, but he will discount the SubC Date 10%. I would really like it if he would eat the tax too so I don't have to ship it out of state and wait for it.)

- No glide lock!
- I'm not sure if I can wear a blue and black watch as my everyday piece.
- No quick set date feature.
- Polished center links could end up looking terrible after wear (Although I could get them brushed easily, so there is that.)


The Datejust II's were just in the list because I like the way they look, but they really don't suit my style. They may be something I go after down the road when my business grows more. I'm still not ruling them out completely, but I'm not sure.

So then once I pick the watch the question becomes; do I go through my AD for the SubC Date because with his discount it would be similar to what I would pay from DSW, and this way I can purchase the Daytona in 2018?

If I go the BLNR route then would you forget one of the hang tags and buy the incomplete set from DSW for $800 less than the AD? Would you go the AD route and have to pay tax or ship it out of state just so you could purchase the Daytona down the road?

Or do I say screw the Daytona for now go with DavidSW to save some cash and buy my wife something for her birthday in April to get on the list. Take this with a grain of salt because I don't believe it but, my AD said that grey market watch warranties are not valid because you don't have a receipt. I know this topic has been beaten to death and I don't believe it I am just stating what he told me for the record.


I know this is a lot of text but I was really just writing this as a note to myself so when I wake up tomorrow fresh I can read it and mull it over. I also know some of you like to read threads like these and chime in, it's fun (I know I enjoy reading your guys threads.)

Thank you for any and all advice and have a wonderful evening / day.



-Anthony

[japenney]

1. Keep 114060 and set the bezel pearl to the minute marker that corresponds with the date. This way the 114060 has a date function..

2. Blnr because of comfort and by the time 2018 rolls around you will have NO TROUBLE finding a daytonaC......trust me...the hype will not continue that long.

3. TLDR is a thing.

[Bigsykedaddy]

Originally Posted by japenney

1. Keep 114060 and set the bezel pearl to the minute marker that corresponds with the date. This way the 114060 has a date function..

2. Blnr because of comfort and by the time 2018 rolls around you will have NO TROUBLE finding a daytonaC......trust me...the hype will not continue that long.

3. TLDR is a thing.

Thanks, and like I said I was mainly posting this as a not to myself so I could read it tomorrow when I've had a good nights rest. Also I do know some people out there like reading posts like this (I know I do.)

I will try to summarize using a TLDR: but I don't think I can summarize all of that lol.

I tried the bezel thing on the 114060 but I just miss not having a date on my watch. I kind of thought the same thing about the Daytona and the hype, I figured I'd just wait 5-10 years and buy when they are readily available, but the date is a must for now.

Would you go with the BLNR for $8,175 which is missing a hang tag and worn or get the one for $8,775 which is unworn and full set?

Thanks for the response

[japenney]

Originally Posted by Bigsykedaddy

Thanks, and like I said I was mainly posting this as a not to myself so I could read it tomorrow when I've had a good nights rest. Also I do know some people out there like reading posts like this (I know I do.)

I will try to summarize using a TLDR: but I don't think I can summarize all of that lol.

I tried the bezel thing on the 114060 but I just miss not having a date on my watch. I kind of thought the same thing about the Daytona and the hype, I figured I'd just wait 5-10 years and buy when they are readily available, but the date is a must for now.

Would you go with the BLNR for $8,175 which is missing a hang tag and worn or get the one for $8,775 which is unworn and full set?

Thanks for the response

For $600 I would go new for sure. I think blnr is the correct choice here for date and comfort and you say blue black is your fav. I really don't think there will be any trouble finding a daytonaC in 1-2 years.

[bobernet]

Why are you set on a Daytona when it suffers from the same problem as your former sub? No date.

[Bigsykedaddy]

Originally Posted by bobernet

Why are you set on a Daytona when it suffers from the same problem as your former sub? No date.

Because I love the look of the Daytona, the chronograph and it's history. I would have one watch with a date and one without. I thought I could get away with not having the date, that's why I bought the 114060 because I loved the clean look. Not having it drove me crazy, but knowing I would have another watch with a date to wear as a daily would be perfect IMO.

The most important thing to me atm is buying a Rolex with a date (I have loved the brand since I was a kid admiring my dad's TT sub, and I worked hard and can finally afford one it was a mistake to forgo the date as my first watch.)

[Andad]

Anthony, Anthony,

Have you considered that watches might not be your thing?

Considered an iPhone?

[Bigsykedaddy]

Originally Posted by directioneng

Anthony, Anthony,

Have you considered that watches might not be your thing?

Considered an iPhone?

Unfortunately I love them too much. I am 32 and fought / worked long and hard to get to the point where I can finally enjoy something I've been wanting my whole life. I'll be damned if I just roll over after making a rookie mistake lmfao.



*edit* Btw after writing out that list and getting it out of my head I am strongly leaning towards the BLNR. Now the question becomes; Save $800 and go through DSW and not get the complete set, or pony up the extra $800, get a $400 watch winder (so he says...) and a brand new BLNR from my AD.

Decisions , decisions...

[GMTMasterDallas]

There are no "decisions, decisions" here... You pay the extra $800 to get a brand new watch. You're guaranteed that you're 1. not being sold a frankenstein piece of junk 2. getting a fiver year warranty 3. getting all the proper papers so that it has greater value in the future. Plus you're getting a watch winder... It probably is really only worth a fraction of the $400 the AD quoted, but either way, that's really just a bonus and doesn't factor into things at all. As I said, there is no "decision", there's either the right way to buy your watch or not buying it at all.

[Bigsykedaddy]

Gotcha but now the plot thickens as the guy backed out of the deal. So now the trusted seller will either give me $5,600 cash (I paid $6,600) or $5,800 towards a trade in. He said the deal was only good for this week so now I am forced to make a decision unless someone comes out of the blue and buys it this week...

All of this being said and done I have learned my lesson albeit an expensive one. You guys can't say you've never made a mistake before, that happens. it's if you learn from them or not that is the real issue.

[Rolex addict]

You have to go with your gut. $5800 on trade isn't bad. A preowned 114060 goes for around $5700-6000.

[Bigsykedaddy]

Originally Posted by Rolex addict

You have to go with your gut. $5800 on trade isn't bad. A preowned 114060 goes for around $5700-6000.

Ah so if they go for around $5,700 - $6,000 that's not bad then. Now the question becomes if buying a used watch will bother me or not...

Thanks for the response.

[Rolex addict]

Originally Posted by Bigsykedaddy

Ah so if they go for around $5,700 - $6,000 that's not bad then. Now the question becomes if buying a used watch will bother me or not...

Thanks for the response.

I've bought most of mine preowned. The SubC, Hulk, Platona, Daytona, and Bluesy were new with all stickers. Even the AP 15400 I just bought was preowned. Doesn't matter to me. I'm going to wear and put scratches on them.

[kromdom]

Originally Posted by Bigsykedaddy

Now the question becomes if buying a used watch will bother me or not.

will it?

[Bigsykedaddy]

Originally Posted by kromdom

will it?

That's the question I'm not sure. If the difference between the new batman from DSW is only $600 do I just say F it?

My AD did say that even if you buy new and your name is on the card from a grey market that the warranty is void without the receipt but I don't think I believe that. If that were the case then I would just buy pre owned because I think I would have a better case turning in a warranty claim if I had someone elses name on the card, I could say I bought it used and he didn't have the receipt...

[Castiel]

I recommend buying new either thru DSW or your local AD. Trade in $ thru your AD appears to be fair. If you're asking yourself if buying used will bother you or not, I think you've already answered that question. It will. Best of luck with your decision.

[TimeRookie]

DSW get the new one. You'll end up keeping it anyway but the missing hangtag will bother you. In 2 years you can buy a Daytona C from DSW for a good deal. BLNR for the win!!!

[Bigsykedaddy]

Originally Posted by TimeRookie

DSW get the new one. You'll end up keeping it anyway but the missing hangtag will bother you. In 2 years you can buy a Daytona C from DSW for a good deal. BLNR for the win!!!

Good advice! Yeah I think that's the way I'm leaning now but the only question left now for me is can I wear a black and blue watch every single day, I think the answer is yes, just not sure if the sub date would go with more etc.

Right now atm I am leaning towards the new BLNR from DSW.

Thank you everyone for your advice / opinions they're greatly appreciated

[TimeRookie]

Originally Posted by Bigsykedaddy

Good advice! Yeah I think that's the way I'm leaning now but the only question left now for me is can I wear a black and blue watch every single day, I think the answer is yes, just not sure if the sub date would go with more etc.

Right now atm I am leaning towards the new BLNR from DSW.

Thank you everyone for your advice / opinions they're greatly appreciated

I've worn mine daily for a year without issue. To me the blue on the bezel and the 24 hour hand are mesmerizing. The bezel looks black unless it's in bright light. Most people don't notice the watch at all. I've been asked about my watch 3 times in a year. Get it! You won't be disappointed. If you don't like it, it will be easy to sell as well. Good luck with your choice.

[Bigsykedaddy]

Originally Posted by TimeRookie

I've worn mine daily for a year without issue. To me the blue on the bezel and the 24 hour hand are mesmerizing. The bezel looks black unless it's in bright light. Most people don't notice the watch at all. I've been asked about my watch 3 times in a year. Get it! You won't be disappointed. If you don't like it, it will be easy to sell as well. Good luck with your choice.

Thank you for your response! Yeah man when I first saw it in person it is just breathtaking, it's an amazing watch!

[Bigsykedaddy]

Originally Posted by Castiel

I recommend buying new either thru DSW or your local AD. Trade in $ thru your AD appears to be fair. If you're asking yourself if buying used will bother you or not, I think you've already answered that question. It will. Best of luck with your decision.

The trade in value via the AD is $4,000 that's too low IMO. The trade in for $5,800 is thru DSW because that's who I bought from originally.

[Castiel]

Sorry misread your post on the trade. Yes AD price is low. Go with DSW.

[Bigsykedaddy]

Originally Posted by Castiel

Sorry misread your post on the trade. Yes AD price is low. Go with DSW.

I'm sitting here thinking it's going to cost me (from what I'm losing from initial purchase) $2,675 for a f***ing date! or $3,775 for the batman (this is factoring in the $800 loss I'm taking trading it in)

I don't think I can stomach that. I would keep trying to sell locally but DSW's deal is only good until the end of the week. I guess I will continue to sit here and mull it over in my head and make a decision by Friday.

Thanks again for all the great advice.

[kromdom]

Originally Posted by Bigsykedaddy

I guess I will continue to sit here and mull it over in my head and make a decision by Friday.

This is the probably the best thing you can do for now. And based on your "back and forth," taking much more time may in fact be better

[DRKBC]

Keep your 114060 and try this: Look at the calendar each day in the morning and say to yourself something like this "by golly its the 18th of December today" then keep this in mind for the whole day, on the following day repeat the process. Now, in order for this to work correctly, it is important to always use the correct date, so don't use December 18th as your reference date all the time, or it will get confusing. You can add to this system by including the "day" of the week as well for example "Hey its Sunday December 18th" this way you won't need to buy a DD.

[mtgjr]

Originally Posted by DRKBC

Keep your 114060 and try this: Look at the calendar each day in the morning and say to yourself something like this "by golly its the 18th of December today" then keep this in mind for the whole day, on the following day repeat the process. Now, in order for this to work correctly, it is important to always use the correct date, so don't use December 18th as your reference date all the time, or it will get confusing. You can add to this system by including the "day" of the week as well for example "Hey its Sunday December 18th" this way you won't need to buy a DD.

[Bigsykedaddy]

Originally Posted by DRKBC

Keep your 114060 and try this: Look at the calendar each day in the morning and say to yourself something like this "by golly its the 18th of December today" then keep this in mind for the whole day, on the following day repeat the process. Now, in order for this to work correctly, it is important to always use the correct date, so don't use December 18th as your reference date all the time, or it will get confusing. You can add to this system by including the "day" of the week as well for example "Hey its Sunday December 18th" this way you won't need to buy a DD.

Ha.. Ha.. Ha.. (seriously though lol)

Yeah I know I just really am bad with the date and when I had watches with the date in the past I liked just simply glancing down at my wrist and seeing it there. I'm a weird person you can say, but some of that is what made me what I am today so I wouldn't change it.

I think I may just say F it and keep the 114060 (it's gorgeous) I just really don't wanna take a bath on it and have to pay so much for a god damn date.

I may just bust ass and buy a BLNR down the road but I know it's going to continue to drive me nuts but maybe I could use it like exposure therapy and just force myself to get used to it.

Sorry for the back and forth that's just how I am.

[DRKBC]

Originally Posted by Bigsykedaddy

Ha.. Ha.. Ha.. (seriously though lol)

Yeah I know I just really am bad with the date and when I had watches with the date in the past I liked just simply glancing down at my wrist and seeing it there. I'm a weird person you can say, but some of that is what made me what I am today so I wouldn't change it.

I think I may just say F it and keep the 114060 (it's gorgeous) I just really don't wanna take a bath on it and have to pay so much for a god damn date.

I may just bust ass and buy a BLNR down the road but I know it's going to continue to drive me nuts but maybe I could use it like exposure therapy and just force myself to get used to it.

Sorry for the back and forth that's just how I am.

:-) I know believe me I get it, I just saw an opportunity to inject a little humour. I love the 114060 I think it is one of the nicest subs ever made and I particularly like how clean the dial is without the complication of the date. That is the what "I" like side of it, now for the "you" side. If it is driving you crazy, then you should let it go. One good thing is that it will be easy to sell and you won't lose much. That said, I could see the BLNR and the Sub ND co-existing nicely in your collection (in fact I wish they were co-existing in mine:-) but if you will never be happy without the date ... I don't see that as working. So it sounds to me like you need to bite the bullet, take the loss and get the Sub date or the BLNR.

Between the two, its a really personal decision neither is a bad decision but it is one you need to figure out yourself or you could be facing the same conundrum down the line. If it was me I would go the BLNR because it could be harder to find a couple of years down the road.

[Bigsykedaddy]

Originally Posted by DRKBC

:-) I know believe me I get it, I just saw an opportunity to inject a little humour. I love the 114060 I think it is one of the nicest subs ever made and I particularly like how clean the dial is without the complication of the date. That is the what "I" like side of it, now for the "you" side. If it is driving you crazy, then you should let it go. One good thing is that it will be easy to sell and you won't lose much. That said, I could see the BLNR and the Sub ND co-existing nicely in your collection (in fact I wish they were co-existing in mine:-) but if you will never be happy without the date ... I don't see that as working. So it sounds to me like you need to bite the bullet, take the loss and get the Sub date or the BLNR.

Between the two, its a really personal decision neither is a bad decision but it is one you need to figure out yourself or you could be facing the same conundrum down the line. If it was me I would go the BLNR because it could be harder to find a couple of years down the road.

Yeah it was funny haha. Yeah man I really love the clean look of the 114060 that is why I chose it initially. The symmetrical dial is amazing. I thought it would be easy to live without the date and I would get used to it but so far a month later and I'm still missing it and it's driving me nuts.

Your suggestion was one of my options and I still may end up going with that (Keeping the 114060 and just busting my ass and buying a BLNR as a second watch.) It would be the smarter choice in the long run. I almost had the Sub sold for $6,300 last night but the guy backed out at the last minute. I know it's gonna be tough to get close to what I paid ($5,650 form DSW) but I can at least try.

I believe DSW is giving me a fair deal buy taking the watch back at a $5,800 trade in value, but that means I lose $800 for nothing then I have to add $1,875 for a BNIB sub date (I mean I COULD buy a used one from him but I would like my first Rolex to be a new one, down the road I won't mind buying used.)

Originally Posted by cdmorenot

My man! You finally got it to fit right and you're now gonna give up?

I've had just about every SS Sport Watch and if you had any doubts on the Sub there's only a GMT on the planet that can help you.

You get that BLNR and I promise you'll kick yourself in the head when those lovely scratches show up when you look at the watch the wrong way.

But, I would sell the ND, hold on to the cash for a little, wait until January when everyone is broke and find a good deal on whatever you actually want then.

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Hahaha good point. Yeah I finally got it comfortable but I tried on the GMT yesterday and man is it way more comfortable. I still think for my one and only watch (for now that is) I still prefer the Submariner but I miss having the date, that's been bugging me since day one but I figured it would fade that's all.

Yeah I think my only real option to save face at this time would be to try and sell it for as much as I possibly can and wait and buy a subC date.

Thanks again for the response!

Originally Posted by GradyPhilpott

Train yourself to live without a date complication.

It's a nice thing to have, but it's not a necessity.

The date only changes once every 24 hours and with a little effort, you really only need to check it once per day.

Doing that will save you a considerable sum of money.

The Submariner in all its references is a classic watch.

Wearing one sets you apart from the masses.

Yeah man the Submariner is a stunningly gorgeous watch and I love it. I realize that memorizing the date for the day is not that hard but my whole life I have always just been too engrossed with other things in my life that I often forget the date and sure I COULD pull out my cellphone but it's so nice to just glance at your wrist and see the date. Still undecided but atm I am leaning with just keeping it not to lose my ass on the deal. If I could sell it for close to what I paid I would without question buy a SubC date tomorrow from DSW.

Originally Posted by cornerstore

Daytona 116520 came out in 2000 and was very hard to get until 2012 and still had a wait list when discontinued, so I'd expect the Daytona C to follow same path . Anyone who says differently is just indulging in wishful thinking.

Yeah I realize the Daytona C is not going to be in stock anytime soon but I'm okay with that. I'll wait 10 years for it to be in stock and I'm okay with that. If not in 10 years time I plan to be able to pay resale without blinking so there is that too

[weeone]

Sell your no-date Sub. I would go pre-owned on the BLNR (DSW) because of comfort. Find a different AD to buy Daytona (one that doesn't require a first purchase). My $.02.