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Swearengen · 27 December 2016, 04:17 AM

My just over two year old Tudor Black Bay has another recurrence of the manual winding issue. The rotor spins when I turn the crown to manual wind.

This is the third time it has developed this fault. On the two previous occasions the RSC at St James's Square fixed under warranty. The last time was in the summer. As I have a few other watched this one get "rotated" so has only been worn twice since the last repair, hence I was rather annoyed to find the same fault has come back.

I wrote to Rolex UK and explained my disappointment with the previous two repairs. They replied by return that they would have one of the senior watchmakers look at it this time.

I will let you know what happens next. Hopefully they will get it sorted this time.

GerardoG · 27 December 2016, 04:47 AM

Wow, three times! Let us know what happens.

Happy Holidays!

sickened1 · 27 December 2016, 05:03 AM

Yup, please keep us inform. I also have a Black Bay and so far it's been great. Hopefully won't run into a similar issue later on down the road.

watchwatcher · 27 December 2016, 05:09 AM

Well, hopefully the 'senior watchmaker' can figure out what's wrong with it.

BuddaLun · 27 December 2016, 05:13 AM

Looking forward to update.

Swearengen · 29 December 2016, 12:21 AM

Seems like RSC at St James's are closed until 3rd January so I will have to wait until next week to take it in.

Further updates to follow.

Swearengen · 13 January 2017, 09:07 PM

I dropped my BB in with the RSC in St James's last week. Yesterday I had a call to say they are going to replace the movement. Hopefully I will have the watch back soon

cop414 · 13 January 2017, 09:53 PM

Thanks for the update, with a movement replacement hopefully all will be good.

1William · 13 January 2017, 09:59 PM

Everything should be good when you get it back. Let us know how it goes.

rushca01 · 13 January 2017, 10:57 PM

I'm curious if they put the new in house movement in or the ETA movement??

Orangejoe · 14 January 2017, 03:16 AM

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Originally Posted by rushca01

I'm curious if they put the new in house movement in or the ETA movement??

That's a great question, but I would see no reason for RSC to 'upgrade' him to whatever current movement the watch has now.

They already have their inventory of ETA parts, why would they not use them?

AK797 · 14 January 2017, 04:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Orangejoe

That's a great question, but I would see no reason for RSC to 'upgrade' him to whatever current movement the watch has now.

They already have their inventory of ETA parts, why would they not use them?

Yeah can't see it altho I would write to Rolex, who will know you well by then, and ask for it if this happens again.

teb1013 · 14 January 2017, 04:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Orangejoe

That's a great question, but I would see no reason for RSC to 'upgrade' him to whatever current movement the watch has now.

They already have their inventory of ETA parts, why would they not use them?

Also, I don't know if the house movement will fit because the ETA has a thinner case.

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Orangejoe · 23 January 2017, 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by teb1013

Also, I don't know if the house movement will fit because the ETA has a thinner case.

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I've never heard that.

All the specs I've seen say it has a larger caseback, same case.

Swearengen · 10 February 2017, 10:37 PM

Its back - apparently with replacement ETA movement

Hopefully that fixes the issue

GerardoG · 10 February 2017, 10:47 PM

Looking good!!!!

natosub · 11 February 2017, 12:48 AM

Third time is the charm! Hope all is well

Danny83 · 11 February 2017, 01:41 AM

That will take care of it great looking pouch too

SemperFi · 11 February 2017, 03:02 AM

Glad to see it's back Gabriel. Hopefully it's fixed for good this time.

Swearengen · 11 February 2017, 03:17 AM

have to say I was very pleased with the pouch

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Originally Posted by Danny83

That will take care of it great looking pouch too

Black Bay Dan · 11 February 2017, 03:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Swearengen

Its back - apparently with replacement ETA movement

Hopefully that fixes the issue

I think you were just very unlucky. Mine never misses a beat. Hope it works all okay now.

Dan

sapper17 · 11 February 2017, 04:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Swearengen

My just over two year old Tudor Black Bay has another recurrence of the manual winding issue. The rotor spins when I turn the crown to manual wind.

This is the third time it has developed this fault. On the two previous occasions the RSC at St James's Square fixed under warranty. The last time was in the summer. As I have a few other watched this one get "rotated" so has only been worn twice since the last repair, hence I was rather annoyed to find the same fault has come back.

I wrote to Rolex UK and explained my disappointment with the previous two repairs. They replied by return that they would have one of the senior watchmakers look at it this time.

I will let you know what happens next. Hopefully they will get it sorted this time.

Could you explain what you mean when you say the rotor spins? I notice when I wind my Black Bay that sometimes you can tell its not winding, I always thought maybe I was pushing the crown in a bit?

Maxy · 11 February 2017, 04:20 AM

My

Not a good idea to manually wind an ETA movement. I know it should handle manual winding but majority of the users with watches <$1000 with ETA follow this trick of not winding the watch just give it a shake and set time and move on. That will give the movement no issues.

Black Bay Dan · 11 February 2017, 04:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Maxy

My

Not a good idea to manually wind an ETA movement. I know it should handle manual winding but majority of the users with watches <$1000 with ETA follow this trick of not winding the watch just give it a shake and set time and move on. That will give the movement no issues.

Not sure I agree. I wear my Black Bay in rotation and so I when it comes to its turn, it gets 40 turns to get it going. Think that is what they are designed for!

Dan

ap1 · 11 February 2017, 07:00 AM

I found the winding pretty harsh in the ranger. Worked but def not a smooth winder

douglasf13 · 11 February 2017, 07:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maxy

My

Not a good idea to manually wind an ETA movement. I know it should handle manual winding but majority of the users with watches <$1000 with ETA follow this trick of not winding the watch just give it a shake and set time and move on. That will give the movement no issues.

I've owned several ETA 2824 and 2892 based watches over the years, and I've never had an issue with winding. Occasionally, a dud simply happens, no matter what the brand.

Emerald4194 · 11 February 2017, 04:10 PM

This happened to me 2x with my ETA black bay. AD replaced it and now I give it about 25 winds and no problems.

outtatime · 12 February 2017, 12:12 AM

I also had this issue with my brand new Black Bay. Seems odd this happens this often with this model. I've had lots of ETA-based watches and this is the only time I've ever seen this issue.

JR16 · 23 May 2017, 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Swearengen

My just over two year old Tudor Black Bay has another recurrence of the manual winding issue. The rotor spins when I turn the crown to manual wind.

This is the third time it has developed this fault. On the two previous occasions the RSC at St James's Square fixed under warranty. The last time was in the summer. As I have a few other watched this one get "rotated" so has only been worn twice since the last repair, hence I was rather annoyed to find the same fault has come back.

I wrote to Rolex UK and explained my disappointment with the previous two repairs. They replied by return that they would have one of the senior watchmakers look at it this time.

I will let you know what happens next. Hopefully they will get it sorted this time.

Thanks for these posts, as this just happened to me tonight... did RSC ever say what the problem was? Guess I will be bringing it in to my AD , luckily still under warranty.

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Swearengen · 24 May 2017, 07:46 PM

They replaced by movement after the third visit. They didn't say what the problem was. Seems to be fine now.

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27 December 2016, 04:17 AM	#1
Swearengen "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Real Name: Gabriel Location: London, UK Posts: 1,859	Tudor Black Bay - third winding issue My just over two year old Tudor Black Bay has another recurrence of the manual winding issue. The rotor spins when I turn the crown to manual wind. This is the third time it has developed this fault. On the two previous occasions the RSC at St James's Square fixed under warranty. The last time was in the summer. As I have a few other watched this one get "rotated" so has only been worn twice since the last repair, hence I was rather annoyed to find the same fault has come back. I wrote to Rolex UK and explained my disappointment with the previous two repairs. They replied by return that they would have one of the senior watchmakers look at it this time. I will let you know what happens next. Hopefully they will get it sorted this time. __________________ 1680 1675 16800 16570 16710 17000 16613 17013 Gone but not forgotten 16610LV 1016 16234

29 December 2016, 12:21 AM	#6
Swearengen "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Real Name: Gabriel Location: London, UK Posts: 1,859	Seems like RSC at St James's are closed until 3rd January so I will have to wait until next week to take it in. Further updates to follow. __________________ 1680 1675 16800 16570 16710 17000 16613 17013 Gone but not forgotten 16610LV 1016 16234

13 January 2017, 09:07 PM	#7
Swearengen "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Real Name: Gabriel Location: London, UK Posts: 1,859	I dropped my BB in with the RSC in St James's last week. Yesterday I had a call to say they are going to replace the movement. Hopefully I will have the watch back soon __________________ 1680 1675 16800 16570 16710 17000 16613 17013 Gone but not forgotten 16610LV 1016 16234

13 January 2017, 09:53 PM	#8
cop414 TRF Moderator & 2024 SubLV41 Patron Join Date: Apr 2012 Real Name: Tim Location: Pennsylvania Watch: 14060M Posts: 72,242	Thanks for the update, with a movement replacement hopefully all will be good. __________________ Rolex Submariner 14060M Omega Seamaster 2254.50 DOXA Professional 1200T Card carrying member of TRF's Global Association of Retro-Grouch-Curmudgeons TRF's "After Dark" Bar & NightClub Patron P Club Member #17 2 FA ENABLED

10 February 2017, 10:37 PM	#15
Swearengen "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Real Name: Gabriel Location: London, UK Posts: 1,859	Its back - apparently with replacement ETA movement Hopefully that fixes the issue Attached Images __________________ 1680 1675 16800 16570 16710 17000 16613 17013 Gone but not forgotten 16610LV 1016 16234

27 December 2016, 04:47 AM	#2
GerardoG Banned Join Date: Oct 2005 Real Name: Gerardo Location: Here Watch: ALL of them Posts: 32,098	Wow, three times! Let us know what happens. Happy Holidays!

27 December 2016, 05:03 AM	#3
sickened1 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Aug 2014 Real Name: Ed Location: SoCal Watch: ugiveiswatchuget Posts: 9,054	Yup, please keep us inform. I also have a Black Bay and so far it's been great. Hopefully won't run into a similar issue later on down the road.

27 December 2016, 05:09 AM	#4
watchwatcher "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Real Name: Larry Location: Kentucky Watch: Yes Posts: 35,047	Well, hopefully the 'senior watchmaker' can figure out what's wrong with it.

27 December 2016, 05:13 AM	#5
BuddaLun "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: USA Watch: LV & BLRO Posts: 210	Looking forward to update.

13 January 2017, 09:59 PM	#9
1William 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: North Carolina Watch: Rolex/Others Posts: 47,776	Everything should be good when you get it back. Let us know how it goes.

13 January 2017, 10:57 PM	#10
rushca01 "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2016 Location: Indiana Watch: GMT BLRO Posts: 1,754	I'm curious if they put the new in house movement in or the ETA movement??

10 February 2017, 10:47 PM	#16
GerardoG Banned Join Date: Oct 2005 Real Name: Gerardo Location: Here Watch: ALL of them Posts: 32,098	Looking good!!!!

11 February 2017, 12:48 AM	#17
natosub "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2016 Location: USA Watch: the tide roll in.. Posts: 1,138	Third time is the charm! Hope all is well

11 February 2017, 01:41 AM	#18
Danny83 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member Join Date: Sep 2013 Real Name: Danny Location: Bay Area CA Watch: Yellow Gold Posts: 20,312	That will take care of it great looking pouch too

11 February 2017, 03:02 AM	#19
SemperFi "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Real Name: Angelo Location: Brooklyn, NY Watch: Rolex Submariner Posts: 42,164	Glad to see it's back Gabriel. Hopefully it's fixed for good this time. __________________ Rolex Submariner Omega Seamaster Aqua Terra Tudor Black Bay 58 Blue Tudor Ranger 79910 Nomos Club Datum 733 Nomos Metro 38 Stowa Flieger Classic 40 * Card carrying member of TRF's Global Association of Retro-Grouch-Curmudgeons *

11 February 2017, 04:20 AM	#23
Maxy "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: TX Watch: Daytona Posts: 3,231	My Not a good idea to manually wind an ETA movement. I know it should handle manual winding but majority of the users with watches <$1000 with ETA follow this trick of not winding the watch just give it a shake and set time and move on. That will give the movement no issues.

11 February 2017, 07:00 AM	#25
ap1 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: usa Posts: 19,537	I found the winding pretty harsh in the ranger. Worked but def not a smooth winder

11 February 2017, 04:10 PM	#27
Emerald4194 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Mid alantic Watch: SubC BLNR Exp 1016 Posts: 174	This happened to me 2x with my ETA black bay. AD replaced it and now I give it about 25 winds and no problems.

12 February 2017, 12:12 AM	#28
outtatime "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Real Name: Jon Location: Toledo, OH Watch: Deepsea Posts: 1,136	I also had this issue with my brand new Black Bay. Seems odd this happens this often with this model. I've had lots of ETA-based watches and this is the only time I've ever seen this issue. __________________ The above represents my opinion. I may be wrong, but that's how I feel. Scratches ≠ "Character"

24 May 2017, 07:46 PM	#30
Swearengen "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Real Name: Gabriel Location: London, UK Posts: 1,859	They replaced by movement after the third visit. They didn't say what the problem was. Seems to be fine now. Sent from my E5823 using Tapatalk __________________ 1680 1675 16800 16570 16710 17000 16613 17013 Gone but not forgotten 16610LV 1016 16234

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