Does it bothers you as a buyer, and been asked for reference..

[louie]

At times I still make my watch purchases overseas, unfortunately most beauties are not in my home country...

I have been trading for the past decade, dealt with many reputable dealers from the US. My most recent purchase from the states, no offence to seller. But I was just puzzled why I have been asked for reference when I m the buyer and me making the wire prior to shipping me my toys..?

I see this appeared quite often on p.com, even a strap ppl are asking for reference...?

[superdog]

I don't get it either.

But a bad buyer can surely be a pain in the ass.

Likely, the sellers simply prefer not to deal with a potential nightmare.

So I suppose I do understand it to some degree.

[Abdullah71601]

I'm not sure I understand the sellers risk on a wire transfer. The seller has the cash and the watch, while the buyer has only a promise. Maybe a frequent seller can weigh in on the need for references for this type of sale.

[Star Ferry]

they might be worried about shipping to China. but I agree with you -- if you're willing to wire funds up front, then the request for references seems pointless

[MonBK]

If it bothers you, pick another seller.

[Flywheel]

If someone asked me I'd tell them no.

[Knappo 1307]

Originally Posted by MonBK

If it bothers you, pick another seller.

This...

[louie]

Originally Posted by superdog

I don't get it either.

But a bad buyer can surely be a pain in the ass.

Likely, the sellers simply prefer not to deal with a potential nightmare.

So I suppose I do understand it to some degree.

now you knock some senses to me, yeah some sellers can be nightmare...

Originally Posted by Abdullah71601

I'm not sure I understand the sellers risk on a wire transfer. The seller has the cash and the watch, while the buyer has only a promise. Maybe a frequent seller can weigh in on the need for references for this type of sale.

seller wanted Paypal, and I told him i can do bank wire than he told me he don't feel comfortable revealing his banking info... (seller eventually accepted my wire)

Originally Posted by Star Ferry

they might be worried about shipping to China. but I agree with you -- if you're willing to wire funds up front, then the request for references seems pointless

nah, not china..chances are they will get detained or "missing" in transit

Originally Posted by MonBK

If it bothers you, pick another seller.

well frankly I don't have much choices, but I tried to talk to seller..

Originally Posted by Flywheel

If someone asked me I'd tell them no.

hmm..

Originally Posted by Knappo 1307

This...

[Knappo 1307]

Originally Posted by louie

now you knock some senses to me, yeah some sellers can be nightmare...

seller wanted Paypal, and I told him i can do bank wire than he told me he don't feel comfortable revealing his banking info... (seller eventually accepted my wire)

nah, not china..chances are they will get detained or "missing" in transit

well frankly I don't have much choices, but I tried to talk to seller..

hmm..

Now I'm confused, was someone holding a gun to your head to buy this watch? If so you may want to contact the authorities.....
A watch is a want, not a need. If I felt uneasy about the questioning I was getting, I'd walk away....

[Wesley Crusher]

Not at all. A buyer can scam a seller just as easily as a seller can scam a buyer.

If you don't like being asked for references, find another seller.

[NKflyer]

When selling, I only ask for references if the buyer wants to use paypal, never for bankwire. Difficult/problem buyers usually reveal themselves anyway during the dialogue leading up to the purchase.

Do the people who are paranoid about revealing their wire instructions not realize that the same information is printed on their bank checks?

[SMD]

Originally Posted by Wesley Crusher

Not at all. A buyer can scam a seller just as easily as a seller can scam a buyer.

If you don't like being asked for references, find another seller.

How does the scam work on a wire?

[NKflyer]

Originally Posted by SMD

How does the scam work on a wire?

One way I know of is that a buyer says they're going to wire funds but deposits a check instead at the seller's bank. Seller sees a credit for the correct dollar amount in their account and ships the watch, then buyer cancels check.

[SMD]

Originally Posted by NKflyer

One way I know of is that a buyer says they're going to wire funds but deposits a check instead at the seller's bank. Seller sees a credit for the correct dollar amount in their account and ships the watch, then buyer cancels check.

Thanks. But anyway on a true fed wire? I didn't think so but others here have far more experience than I do.

[superdog]

I've sold to people before that were huge pains.

After all pictures were vividly presented. All questions answered.

But at the end of the day, the buyer decided he wasn't happy. Maybe he never tried it on before and he was hoping for the best.

I don't know. But I do know that I then had to deal with it and keep him happy. Otherwise I might have gotten poor feedback. I'm not a professional seller of watches. It would not have meant all that much to me. But my reputation is very important to me. And I always try and "do the right thing"

Truly, there have been times I wished I'd not made the sale to a pain in the ass buyer. As a professional watch seller, the stakes are much higher

They can be 100% in the right, but bad feedback could still cause a loss of future sales.

I don't blame a seller for trying to confirm a smooth transaction.

[rodo]

I understand sellers that want references. Buyers can be a pain, just as much as sellers. Just because someone wires you the money doesn't mean that's the end of that. What if it's their first watch and make a big deal out of a hairline they didn't see in one of the pictures, for example? If someone has references it means they've done deals before, and probably more experienced on how the process works, ie: easier to deal with

[louie]

Originally Posted by Knappo 1307

Now I'm confused, was someone holding a gun to your head to buy this watch? If so you may want to contact the authorities.....
A watch is a want, not a need. If I felt uneasy about the questioning I was getting, I'd walk away....

choices I was referring to sellers, as far as I know there are 2 sellers now offering this timepiece for sale on the web..

Jason, seller was okay after I talked to him. I assured him, he can ship the watch after he sees the money in his bank I'm no hurry for the watch. I 'm thinking they must have gotton the impression they have to ship before payment show up in their bank acct...?

Originally Posted by Wesley Crusher

Not at all. A buyer can scam a seller just as easily as a seller can scam a buyer.

If you don't like being asked for references, find another seller.

this is something new really, buyer to scam seller...

Originally Posted by NKflyer

When selling, I only ask for references if the buyer wants to use paypal, never for bankwire. Difficult/problem buyers usually reveal themselves anyway during the dialogue leading up to the purchase.

Do the people who are paranoid about revealing their wire instructions not realize that the same information is printed on their bank checks?

yes NK, this was exactly how we work. Bank wire for new buyer, paypal for trusted buyers period..

Originally Posted by NKflyer

One way I know of is that a buyer says they're going to wire funds but deposits a check instead at the seller's bank. Seller sees a credit for the correct dollar amount in their account and ships the watch, then buyer cancels check.

this is cheating, or aka breached of trust = very serious crime in my country

Originally Posted by superdog

I've sold to people before that were huge pains.

After all pictures were vividly presented. All questions answered.

But at the end of the day, the buyer decided he wasn't happy. Maybe he never tried it on before and he was hoping for the best.

I don't know. But I do know that I then had to deal with it and keep him happy. Otherwise I might have gotten poor feedback. I'm not a professional seller of watches. It would not have meant all that much to me. But my reputation is very important to me. And I always try and "do the right thing"

Truly, there have been times I wished I'd not made the sale to a pain in the ass buyer. As a professional watch seller, the stakes are much higher

They can be 100% in the right, but bad feedback could still cause a loss of future sales.

I don't blame a seller for trying to confirm a smooth transaction.

I understand now, thanks superdog. I totally understand how that feels..

Originally Posted by rodo

I understand sellers that want references. Buyers can be a pain, just as much as sellers. Just because someone wires you the money doesn't mean that's the end of that. What if it's their first watch and make a big deal out of a hairline they didn't see in one of the pictures, for example? If someone has references it means they've done deals before, and probably more experienced on how the process works, ie: easier to deal with

this is one of the reasons why I don't ship overseas, its a nightmare for return shipping from buyer if he tells me there's one more hairline scratch I didn't tell him

[Knappo 1307]

Glad it worked out for you..

[rr-nyc]

For a wire, I don't see the importance of getting references for a buyer. For PayPal, because of it's policy of siding with the buyer regardless of the circumstances, absoutely

[RichM]

I've only bought here from two different TS's and I've never been asked for a reference. I wired my funds, and when the funds were received, the watch was mailed. I would have been in trouble if the first time I bought, I would have needed a reference. Just didn't have one.

[louie]

Originally Posted by Knappo 1307

Glad it worked out for you..

yeah it did, now awaiting the fund to show up in his acct. Thanks Jason.

Originally Posted by rr-nyc

For a wire, I don't see the importance of getting references for a buyer. For PayPal, because of it's policy of siding with the buyer regardless of the circumstances, absoutely

Originally Posted by Rich Mickol

I've only bought here from two different TS's and I've never been asked for a reference. I wired my funds, and when the funds were received, the watch was mailed. I would have been in trouble if the first time I bought, I would have needed a reference. Just didn't have one.

this is where the problem comes, I was scam before by an overseas seller. I didn't do my homework before making the transfer, but i'm blessed I got my money back after i wrote him a long email...yes his phone is out, and i don't speak their language almost lost 12 grands over my carelessness

[mjclark32]

I've never been asked, but when contacting a seller I've never done business with I usually send over my feedback page and other recent transactions that may not show up. It doesn't hurt for both sides to have confidence in a strong deal. Probably helps with negotiation too, they know you mean business if you have the history.

[Chewbacca]

Originally Posted by Wesley Crusher

Not at all. A buyer can scam a seller just as easily as a seller can scam a buyer.

If you don't like being asked for references, find another seller.

this.

Originally Posted by superdog

I've sold to people before that were huge pains.

After all pictures were vividly presented. All questions answered.

But at the end of the day, the buyer decided he wasn't happy. Maybe he never tried it on before and he was hoping for the best.

I don't know. But I do know that I then had to deal with it and keep him happy. Otherwise I might have gotten poor feedback. I'm not a professional seller of watches. It would not have meant all that much to me. But my reputation is very important to me. And I always try and "do the right thing"

Truly, there have been times I wished I'd not made the sale to a pain in the ass buyer. As a professional watch seller, the stakes are much higher

They can be 100% in the right, but bad feedback could still cause a loss of future sales.

I don't blame a seller for trying to confirm a smooth transaction.

this too.


its amazing how many people think the deal is done just because it lands... a seller asking for a buyer reference is perfectly fine and i encourage it.

frankly, a buyer should also ask for better terms if they're a more secure, experienced buyer; there's value in having good socialmedia commercial credit and if TS' work hard to build and then use theirs when they ask more than typically the sunday buyer/seller, or the 3 in 3 out a year WIS', why not good buyers?

[linesiders]

No, does not bother me. Lots of scams going on, including shipping scams.

[louie]

Originally Posted by Wesley Crusher

Not at all. A buyer can scam a seller just as easily as a seller can scam a buyer.

If you don't like being asked for references, find another seller.

Hi wes, I felt just annoying why some sellers are asking for reference if we are making the bank wire. And we aren't expecting seller to ship before clearing the fund..some mentioned bad buyers, i certainly wonder what makes a buyer bad

I many times had experience with irresponsible sellers, and at my own cost i sent them back for a service

Originally Posted by mjclark32

I've never been asked, but when contacting a seller I've never done business with I usually send over my feedback page and other recent transactions that may not show up. It doesn't hurt for both sides to have confidence in a strong deal. Probably helps with negotiation too, they know you mean business if you have the history.

yes Clark, sounds fair

Originally Posted by Chewbacca

this.



this too.


its amazing how many people think the deal is done just because it lands... a seller asking for a buyer reference is perfectly fine and i encourage it.

frankly, a buyer should also ask for better terms if they're a more secure, experienced buyer; there's value in having good socialmedia commercial credit and if TS' work hard to build and then use theirs when they ask more than typically the sunday buyer/seller, or the 3 in 3 out a year WIS', why not good buyers?

Originally Posted by linesiders

No, does not bother me. Lots of scams going on, including shipping scams.

[beshannon]

No not at all

[louie]

Originally Posted by beshannon

No not at all

thank you Brian