AP Trulli value

[Jimmy3993]

Greetings folks. A watch buddy of mine is offering me an AP ROO Trulli in the low 20's. It is very clean but is missing authentication docs. Assuming that I am comfortable that it is legit, what is it worth? I feel more confident with Rolex but this piece is beautiful and I am tempted.
Thx in advance!

[AK797]

Quite a few on chrono24 so you can work out a fair market price for it.

[Jimmy3993]

Originally Posted by AK797

Quite a few on chrono24 so you can work out a fair market price for it.

Yes. Looks like high 20's in the United States. Same on eBay. High 20's. But those are list prices. I just wondered if someone knew where they actually traded hands.

[AshAP]

I wouldn't buy a watch at this price without the correct paperwork. You might be relaxed about it but what about when you want to sell it?

I don't know how people manage to lose the paperwork for a watch of this value. Two fairly big books and a specific place in the box to keep them yet people manage to lose them.


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[conkers]

Totally agree with Ash.

[tng11]

If you're planning to buy the watch to wear, what difference does have the papers really make?

Personally, I'm in the camp that wouldn't buy a high value watch without the paperwork even if the warranty is expired - but that's a completely personal thing. (I also think there's a lower likelihood the watch is stolen if the papers are complete, and that there's just something inherently fishy about the papers missing.)

I've had a JT for close to 4 years and I use it as a daily beater (less so since I picked up a 15202) - the Cermet bezel is gorgeous and amazingly resilient! For reference, I picked up mine for $21K USD in December 2013 complete with box and papers.

[lapince]

I would write down the serial number and see if it is legit, if it is and you save a lot of money getting it without papers, I would get it if you think it will be a keeper

[tyler1980]

Originally Posted by AshAP

I wouldn't buy a watch at this price without the correct paperwork. You might be relaxed about it but what about when you want to sell it?

I don't know how people manage to lose the paperwork for a watch of this value. Two fairly big books and a specific place in the box to keep them yet people manage to lose them.


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Originally Posted by conkers

Totally agree with Ash.

i agree. it matters

At that price point I'm not a buyer if its not complete so the price isn't all that relevant.

[mspeed76]

its a great piece and the lightest offshore AP makes.

you should be aware there exists a replica version with a cermet bezel and forged carbon case.

regarding price, ive bought and sold this piece several times.

sold at 30k and 28k and 27.8k LNIB and 100% complete as a private seller

most for sale now are pretty beat up and prob need a new forged carbon case and servicing soon

[Xerxes77]

It's a great watch and IMO the best AP ROO if we consider cermet bezel who are eliminates the major weekness of AP ROO : the bezel!
I have it and it's a great watch but without papers I think the price is around 18000€ because in case you want to sell it you will have problems!

[AK797]

Originally Posted by mspeed76

its a great piece and the lightest offshore AP makes.

you should be aware there exists a replica version with a cermet bezel and forged carbon case.

regarding price, ive bought and sold this piece several times.

sold at 30k and 28k and 27.8k LNIB and 100% complete as a private seller

most for sale now are pretty beat up and prob need a new forged carbon case and servicing soon

Ah, if there is an accurate-ish replica out there then be extra careful, post some pics here for us to see and probably on those other forums too.

[Manofsteelpt]

Jimmy, send it to AP for a service... You'll get paperwork from them, and, it'll be serviced/authenticated. IMO, the booklets aren't worth $6-7k.

tng11, you bought a JT for $21k? That seems awfully low, even a few yrs ago.

[Jimmy3993]

Thanks all. My gut was telling me that the papers mattered. I trust the seller but since no watch is forever for me I need to know where my exit is befor I buy something like this.
Sending it to AP for servicing after purchase is a great idea if that means it will come back authenticated.
I think I'll reach out to AP about what the service process would look like.

[tyler1980]

Originally Posted by Jimmy3993

Thanks all. My gut was telling me that the papers mattered. I trust the seller but since no watch is forever for me I need to know where my exit is befor I buy something like this.
Sending it to AP for servicing after purchase is a great idea if that means it will come back authenticated.
I think I'll reach out to AP about what the service process would look like.

do you know where the seller got it? you said he was a friend.

If he bought it used with out box or papers i would be worried as you trust the seller, but he may not know what he purchased himself so trusting him and trusting the watch become two different things. If he bought it new at an AD and lost the papers I would feel better about it.

[AshAP]

AP told me about a guy who bought a RB2 from a friend, he took it to the London office for a service and they informed him that although it looked almost totally authentic it was a fake. Apparently he broke down in tears.


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[Jimmy3993]

Originally Posted by tyler1980

do you know where the seller got it? you said he was a friend.

If he bought it used with out box or papers i would be worried as you trust the seller, but he may not know what he purchased himself so trusting him and trusting the watch become two different things. If he bought it new at an AD and lost the papers I would feel better about it.

He's a reputable dealer and took it in trade. But your points are well taken.

Separately, is wonder about the whole "I lost it" excuse.
If I paid that kind of money to an AD and lost docs I would be begging for reproductions.

[tyler1980]

Originally Posted by Jimmy3993

He's a reputable dealer and took it in trade. But your points are well taken.

Separately, is wonder about the whole "I lost it" excuse.
If I paid that kind of money to an AD and lost docs I would be begging for reproductions.

my thoughts as well. My worry is if they are that careless with the documents they are probably pretty careless with the watch too. Generally the two go hand in hand. Damage may not even be readily apparent just a function of wearing it hard for a long period of time.

People who save every sticker, hang tag, bezel protector, and document that came with their watch are generally the type of people who treat their watches very well.

[Islatate]

Originally Posted by Manofsteelpt

Jimmy, send it to AP for a service... You'll get paperwork from them, and, it'll be serviced/authenticated. IMO, the booklets aren't worth $6-7k.

tng11, you bought a JT for $21k? That seems awfully low, even a few yrs ago.

I have to agree with Mike here. As long as it's not a stolen watch, saving 6 to 7k on a watch without orignal papers is well worth it as you can get an overhaul from APSC for approx $2k and you get a fresh 2 year factory warranty. Does the seller have at least the original box? The JT special edition presentation box is worth having.

I paid 29.5k for my lnib Jarno Trulli in May 2013 (it was still under 3rd year warranty) so yeah "tng11", your 21k price was a real bargain. Wow.

[HL65]

Originally Posted by AshAP

I wouldn't buy a watch at this price without the correct paperwork. You might be relaxed about it but what about when you want to sell it?

I don't know how people manage to lose the paperwork for a watch of this value. Two fairly big books and a specific place in the box to keep them yet people manage to lose them.


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Originally Posted by conkers

Totally agree with Ash.

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[tng11]

Originally Posted by Manofsteelpt

tng11, you bought a JT for $21k? That seems awfully low, even a few yrs ago.

To be more accurate, I paid $26K in Canadian Dollars when the exchange rate might have been a bit lower back then. Bought it directly from the first owner who paid $35K USD for it brand new in 2011, and it was in mint condition.

Since then it's picked up its share of battle scars, but I figure with a service and even carbon case replacement, I can at the very least, break even when selling it (though I can never see myself letting go of it for the time being!)

Today, I saw a local dealer asking HKD 238,500 (USD 30,500) for one (near mint condition including B&P).

[Manofsteelpt]

You def got a nice deal, good for you. Did you ever inquire about a case swap? Wonder how much that would be.

[hugs]

Selling won't be a problem. Yes you will get less for no papers but you also paid less in the first place.

It's easy to lose papers. For some people a watch of this value is no big deal. Like a regular person buying an iPhone - not worth keeping the box and papers.

[s14roller]

Originally Posted by hugs

Selling won't be a problem. Yes you will get less for no papers but you also paid less in the first place.

It's easy to lose papers. For some people a watch of this value is no big deal. Like a regular person buying an iPhone - not worth keeping the box and papers.

I'd venture to guess the vast majority of AP owners wouldn't just lose the papers...

[Jimmy3993]

Originally Posted by hugs

Selling won't be a problem. Yes you will get less for no papers but you also paid less in the first place.

It's easy to lose papers. For some people a watch of this value is no big deal. Like a regular person buying an iPhone - not worth keeping the box and papers.

It would be by far the most expensive watch I've ever purchased. The boxes are present but that is it. It is in very clean shape and at 21.3 it is priced reasonably but I expect that selling it would be a problem. Unless it was to a jeweler.

Dunno. The whole situation makes me nervous.
If it wasn't such a damn near perfect watch...

[Watch Admirer]

Trulli a nice watch, that is

[HK Islandboy]

If this is the watch listed for sale on another site, I believe that it has been up there for quite some time at around 21.5k - can be an indication of how difficult this will be to sell even at a knock down price

Of course, as others have indicated, if you are going to keep the watch, resale is less of a concern.

[kentheevil]

I do agree with everyone here that it's not a common thing to lose the paper and box but, no one think of a scenario of yourself traveling to lets say japan with your watch and fell in love with a watch at the second hand dealer and just trade it right away taking the hit of the box and paper ?

[youthagainsttt]

I'd go for one with B&P as others have mentioned, AP replicas and franken watches are quite common i think.

It'll be harder to sell and factor in the cost of servicing, I'd rather get it used from a grey dealer with the full set. Spending this much, a massive amount of money really you have to be fussy imo

[lapince]

Originally Posted by AK797

Ah, if there is an accurate-ish replica out there then be extra careful, post some pics here for us to see and probably on those other forums too.

Take actual pictures of the movement and then find some,on the net of the real thing, and post here, even dealers can be fooled, but here we've got a pretty good number of specialists, I am not one of them, and if there is a problem they will see it. I would get'it for 21 if a mint full set goes for 30, being sure that it is real

Originally Posted by hugs

Selling won't be a problem. Yes you will get less for no papers but you also paid less in the first place.

It's easy to lose papers. For some people a watch of this value is no big deal. Like a regular person buying an iPhone - not worth keeping the box and papers.

My dad bought 2 Breitlings, 2 Omegas, ok not super high end watches, but still 3-7k ones, for him selling them one day wasn't even something he could have imagined, he just threw the boxes and papers away, just kept the warranty cards, so yes some people who don't think one second they will sell the watch later on can just simply throw them, not even loose, it does happen, with us watch nuts no chance as we know there is always the possibility we might sell something, not all are like us, and someone who buys in a foreign country and doesn't want to pay import tax may also throw them, it happens. Just make sure 100% the watch is legit, tell the seller you will send it to AP for service and ask written approval from him'that if ever the watch is fake you get your money back, it's from 2011 so yes it should need service soon, better do it as soon as you get it and get some papers from AP, better if you sell it some day.

About fakes my grey dealer friend tells me it is killing sales between individuals, and even for him it causes problems. They are getting better and better, will never be as good'as the original, but can come,very close, there was a thread about a high end Patek movement which looked almost like the real'thing, and it wasn't a 5711, I think some people, buy good fakes, and do work on some pieces, maybe get real parts, to makéit look real and sell it as a real one, how many people per year get scammed on ebay with fake watches? Guessing the numbers are big, very big...

[edo]

This is funny... Trulli listing on chrono 24 originally signed by Jarno himself... but Jarno with Nautilus on the wrist