Difference between a 16800 Gloss and a 16610 pre 1998?

[sgoody1]

Hi,

I am currently considering a 16800.

Ideally I wanted Matte, but I just can't find a nice example at the right price.

So as an alternative, I have started looking at a 16800 Gloss.

However, the 16610 with Tritium is more or less the same, but with 904L steel, and a better movement.

What is the benefit of going for the 16800?

And is there anything visually (other than the reference number, serial number, and clasp markings) that enable you to tell them apart?

And would it make any difference in the longer term value between them, if they were both in similar condition, with box and papers?

And before anyone mentions it, I am also looking at the 168000 - but is there any visual signal on that vs the other 2 above?

Thanks in advance for anyones help.

[rootbeer7]

168000 has new movement, 16610 is 304l steel. If you're getting a 16800 go with matte. I may be able to help

[Rick_Nashville]

Did the 16800, even with gloss dial, feature open sixes & nines on the date wheel? Might be somewhat desirable if present on this reference. Good luck with your search and be sure to let us know what you end up with.

[rootbeer7]

Yes I think it did. I'm sure I've even seen a very early 16610 with them

[Old Expat Beast]

Originally Posted by rootbeer7

168000 has new movement, 16610 is 304l steel. If you're getting a 16800 go with matte. I may be able to help

The 168000 has the same movement as the 16800 (3035). The only difference was the steel "upgrade" to 904L. The 16610 also has 904L, not 304l, and 3135 movt.

[rootbeer7]

Originally Posted by Old Expat Beast

The 168000 has the same movement as the 16800 (3035). The only difference was the steel "upgrade" to 904L. The 16610 also has 904L, not 304l, and 3135 movt.

Oops thanks, not enough sleep!

[sgoody1]

Thanks for the above - but still haven't found out the visual differences, if there are any between the two?

[sgoody1]

Originally Posted by Rick_Nashville

Did the 16800, even with gloss dial, feature open sixes & nines on the date wheel? Might be somewhat desirable if present on this reference. Good luck with your search and be sure to let us know what you end up with.

Yes- if I go for the 16800 gloss - I will get an open 6 and 9 one. I would also only buy if it is the full set, and not tampered with.

Or it will be a very early 14060 (and I am not sure if that has open 6s and 9s - but I think not) - again, it would be full set.

Or a 16800 matte - but I would not expect to get box and papers, unless the premium is reasonable.

I think I am just ruling out the 16610 as I am sure it is not Tritium, and I think really is just the replacement for the 16800 (or 168000 if we are being pedantic)

I think the cheapest option of all of the above is a 14060 - but is that ever going to be a reasonable investment?