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Goodwatch · 29 April 2006, 05:56 PM

When one is serious and enthusiastic about one’s hobby, it’s obvious that over the years you acquire more and more knowledge about the subject. Has nothing to do with you becoming an unbearable ‘know it all', you just know more about it then the average lay man. Many years ago I still argued. Some salesmen say whatever non sense it takes to make a sale (or they’re just ignorant) and I had to correct them. “Class A amps are just so old fashioned and hardly used anymore. In fact, they’ve become obsolete. It’s all A-B now”, and stuff like that. With a straight face and not a blink in the eye. Now I’m 46 I don’t bother anymore. Takes up too much energy. I still can be very amused overhearing such conversations. But it all depends on the store. If you’re visiting a dealer of reputable High End audio equipment, you won’t hear cock ‘n’ bull stories about Class A power amps. You will if you’re visiting a large media store where they just don’t sell the good stuff.

My question is: do you still debate or argue upon hearing facts or stories about you favorite subject that just aren’t true or, just like me, hardly bother anymore?

I make one exception. This is with flight jackets. If I come across a shop, be it on the Net or in the street, that tries to sell crappy copies as the real thing I always make a note and e-mail the owners. Non existing models numbers or a B-10 made out of leather don’t escape my comments.

Prince · 29 April 2006, 08:51 PM

I argue when I think the issue is serious and results could be harmful if allowed to go unchallenged. I don't give a rat's ass if it is just some clown spouting off (like Al Sharpton).

TARDIS · 29 April 2006, 09:49 PM

Or some know all on TURF

dman · 29 April 2006, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by TARDIS

Or some know all on TURF

dman · 29 April 2006, 11:37 PM

I like the good debate, but to be honest I have a real life is too short outlook and would rather spend my time similing then arguing.

Goodwatch · 29 April 2006, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by dman

I like the good debate, but to be honest I have a real life is too short outlook and would rather spend my time similing then arguing.

I won't argue with that!

dman · 29 April 2006, 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Goodwatch

I won't argue with that!

You better not.

C.J. · 30 April 2006, 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Prince

I argue when I think the issue is serious and results could be harmful if allowed to go unchallenged. I don't give a rat's ass if it is just some clown spouting off (like Al Sharpton).

edt

Launch Mini · 30 April 2006, 12:58 AM

depends on the persons attitude.
I have honed my skills a bit over the years. Backhanded compliments seem to put them in there place. They usually don't pick up on it until later.
Not worth my time arguing. If they have strong feelings about what they believe, you cannot change there minds.

JJ Irani · 30 April 2006, 06:24 AM

I try to avoid an arguement, but would not hesitate to do so if the opposite person goes on and on about something I know I'm right about.

JJ

Mrdi · 30 April 2006, 07:25 AM

Goodwatch.

Where do you get a good "leather" flight jacket?
Not antique, but current bona fide jackets are OK.

Goodwatch · 30 April 2006, 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Mrdi

Goodwatch.

Where do you get a good "leather" flight jacket?
Not antique, but current bona fide jackets are OK.

http://www.lostworldsinc.com/

http://historypreservation.com/hpassociates/index.html

http://www.realmccoys.co.nz/

mailman · 30 April 2006, 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by JJ Irani

I try to avoid an arguement, but would not hesitate to do so if the opposite person goes on and on about something I know I'm right about.

JJ

You argue here about why the filthy rich guys wear cheap watches

30 April 2006, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by TARDIS

Or some know all on TURF

LOL! Ouch!

30 April 2006, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by JJ Irani

I try to avoid an arguement, but would not hesitate to do so if the opposite person goes on and on about something I know I'm right about.

JJ

Yes, I'm sure you argue plenty when someone else wants the sheep you have picked out for the evening.......

30 April 2006, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by mailman

You argue here about why the filthy rich guys wear cheap watches

LOL! Good one Paulie!

30 April 2006, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Goodwatch

When one is serious and enthusiastic about one’s hobby, it’s obvious that over the years you acquire more and more knowledge about the subject. Has nothing to do with you becoming an unbearable ‘know it all', you just know more about it then the average lay man. Many years ago I still argued. Some salesmen say whatever non sense it takes to make a sale (or they’re just ignorant) and I had to correct them. “Class A amps are just so old fashioned and hardly used anymore. In fact, they’ve become obsolete. It’s all A-B now”, and stuff like that. With a straight face and not a blink in the eye. Now I’m 46 I don’t bother anymore. Takes up too much energy. I still can be very amused overhearing such conversations. But it all depends on the store. If you’re visiting a dealer of reputable High End audio equipment, you won’t hear cock ‘n’ bull stories about Class A power amps. You will if you’re visiting a large media store where they just don’t sell the good stuff.

My question is: do you still debate or argue upon hearing facts or stories about you favorite subject that just aren’t true or, just like me, hardly bother anymore?

I make one exception. This is with flight jackets. If I come across a shop, be it on the Net or in the street, that tries to sell crappy copies as the real thing I always make a note and e-mail the owners. Non existing models numbers or a B-10 made out of leather don’t escape my comments.

This is one reason why I refuse to shop in "typical" electronics stores. Most who work in these stores don't know as much as the typical person selling a Rolex does, and that's saying something!

Healthy debate is good if the parties are learning from each other, but otherwise you might as well....

Prince · 30 April 2006, 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Avalon

...Healthy debate is good if the parties are learning from each other, but otherwise you might as well....

LOL - nice segue into the smilie!!!

30 April 2006, 10:45 AM

As far as watches are concerned, it depends on the company I'm with. If someone (like the know it all b!tch at my local watchmaker shop) starts spouting shite to me, I'll put up a few facts to show I know what I'm talking about, but stop when the true BS flies and walk out. But if I'm ever in that shop with a WIS friend, I'll stick to my guns, consequences be damned.

As far as arguing on forums, it's like pissing in the wind, when you're arguing with a moron (like some who moderate other forums). And anyone who is an internet bully, is seriously lacking in many critical personality trait areas.

JJ Irani · 30 April 2006, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by mailman

You argue here about why the filthy rich guys wear cheap watches

So why the hell do the filthy rich guys wear cheap watches?

Sheesh....here we go again!!

padi56 · 30 April 2006, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by TARDIS

Or some know all on TURF

Now that is a four letter word sir.

Goodwatch · 1 May 2006, 05:17 AM

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Originally Posted by JJ Irani

So why the hell do the filthy rich guys wear cheap watches?

Sheesh....here we go again!!

I guess you mean this 'bum'? Look at the cheap, plastic Casio on his wrist. He is, however, Roman Abramovich, Chelsea's owner. At the latest count he was worth a staggering 15.8 billion Euro. Among his assets are: two yachts, the largest 132 meter and worth 108 million, a castle in Austria, 7 homes across Europe, a 440 acre estate in West Sussex and a 42 million pad in Belgravia. He has a Boeing 767-300 and a Boeing 737. And of course a plastic Casio, JJ!

Prince · 1 May 2006, 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Goodwatch

I guess you mean this 'bum'? Look at the cheap, plastic Casio on his wrist. He is, however, Roman Abramovich, Chelsea's owner. At the latest count he was worth a staggering 15.8 billion Euro. Among his assets are: two yachts, the largest 132 meter and worth 108 million, a castle in Austria, 7 homes across Europe, a 440 acre estate in West Sussex and a 42 million pad in Belgravia. He has a Boeing 767-300 and a Boeing 737. And of course a plastic Casio, JJ!

So... Maybe a nice Day-Date for him, eh?

Goodwatch · 1 May 2006, 06:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Prince

So... Maybe a nice Day-Date for him, eh?

He could buy Rolex! No kiddin'

Prince · 1 May 2006, 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Goodwatch

He could buy Rolex! No kiddin'

And I think he should! At least the DD - perhaps not the entire company. Having his picture taken with that old thing on his wrist...pfft!!!

Goodwatch · 1 May 2006, 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Prince

And I think he should! Having his picture taken with that old thing on his wrist...pfft!!!

It's all about priorities my friend. He has 30 bodyguards to protect his wife and 5 children. I guess he doesn't give a hoot about watches as long as they tell the time! He could use a shave too. But here I am, counting the days 'till I can buy another Rolex. I must be insane

Prince · 1 May 2006, 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Goodwatch

It's all about priorities my friend...here I am, counting the days 'till I can buy another Rolex. I must be insane

Ahhh, I think you have your priorities quite in order, Frans!!!

Goodwatch · 1 May 2006, 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Prince

Ahhh, I think you have your priorities quite in order, Frans!!!

I'm doomed, that's what I am

Prince · 1 May 2006, 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Goodwatch

I'm doomed, that's what I am

So say we all!!!

JJ Irani · 1 May 2006, 05:11 PM

Thanks for that picture, Frans....but I'm at a total loss for words. For starters, he needs a shave and then he, with all his billions, wears a watch that is an absolute POS....why, oh why, does God give money to the wrong people?

29 April 2006, 05:56 PM	#1
Goodwatch "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Real Name: Frans ® Location: Rotterdam Watch: the sunrise... Posts: 10,230	Do you still debate or argue? When one is serious and enthusiastic about one’s hobby, it’s obvious that over the years you acquire more and more knowledge about the subject. Has nothing to do with you becoming an unbearable ‘know it all', you just know more about it then the average lay man. Many years ago I still argued. Some salesmen say whatever non sense it takes to make a sale (or they’re just ignorant) and I had to correct them. “Class A amps are just so old fashioned and hardly used anymore. In fact, they’ve become obsolete. It’s all A-B now”, and stuff like that. With a straight face and not a blink in the eye. Now I’m 46 I don’t bother anymore. Takes up too much energy. I still can be very amused overhearing such conversations. But it all depends on the store. If you’re visiting a dealer of reputable High End audio equipment, you won’t hear cock ‘n’ bull stories about Class A power amps. You will if you’re visiting a large media store where they just don’t sell the good stuff. My question is: do you still debate or argue upon hearing facts or stories about you favorite subject that just aren’t true or, just like me, hardly bother anymore? I make one exception. This is with flight jackets. If I come across a shop, be it on the Net or in the street, that tries to sell crappy copies as the real thing I always make a note and e-mail the owners. Non existing models numbers or a B-10 made out of leather don’t escape my comments. __________________ Member# 127 Last edited by Goodwatch; 29 April 2006 at 09:49 PM..

29 April 2006, 08:51 PM	#2
Prince "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Real Name: Allan Location: St. Augustine, FL Watch: Daytona/Sub/GMT/DJ Posts: 20,323	I argue when I think the issue is serious and results could be harmful if allowed to go unchallenged. I don't give a rat's ass if it is just some clown spouting off (like Al Sharpton). __________________ Member: Rolex Keeper's Society "You see, you can't please everyone, so you got to please yourself." - Rick Nelson

29 April 2006, 11:37 PM	#5
dman Lifetime TRF Patron Join Date: May 2005 Real Name: Daren Location: Austin Watch: the road Posts: 13,585	I like the good debate, but to be honest I have a real life is too short outlook and would rather spend my time similing then arguing. __________________ You either get it or you don't, if you have to ask, YOU DON'T!! I really hope that midget cop doesn't find me in Kokomo.

30 April 2006, 12:58 AM	#9
Launch Mini "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Real Name: John Location: Canada, eh Watch: can I? Posts: 6,240	depends on the persons attitude. I have honed my skills a bit over the years. Backhanded compliments seem to put them in there place. They usually don't pick up on it until later. Not worth my time arguing. If they have strong feelings about what they believe, you cannot change there minds. __________________ Something witty to go here. Member # 293

30 April 2006, 06:24 AM	#10
JJ Irani Fondly Remembered Join Date: May 2005 Real Name: JJ Location: Auckland, NZ Watch: ALL SOLD!! Posts: 74,319	I try to avoid an arguement, but would not hesitate to do so if the opposite person goes on and on about something I know I'm right about. JJ __________________ Words fail me in expressing my utmost thanks to ALL of you for this wonderful support during my hour of need!! I firmly believe that my time on planet earth is NOT yet up!! I shall fight this to the very end.......and WIN!!

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TARDIS "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Real Name: Steve Location: Queensland, AUST Posts: 2,003	Or some know all on TURF

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Mrdi Banned Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: PA Posts: 3,478	Goodwatch. Where do you get a good "leather" flight jacket? Not antique, but current bona fide jackets are OK.

30 April 2006, 10:45 AM	#19
Atomic Guest Posts: n/a	As far as watches are concerned, it depends on the company I'm with. If someone (like the know it all b!tch at my local watchmaker shop) starts spouting shite to me, I'll put up a few facts to show I know what I'm talking about, but stop when the true BS flies and walk out. But if I'm ever in that shop with a WIS friend, I'll stick to my guns, consequences be damned. As far as arguing on forums, it's like pissing in the wind, when you're arguing with a moron (like some who moderate other forums). And anyone who is an internet bully, is seriously lacking in many critical personality trait areas.

1 May 2006, 05:11 PM	#30
JJ Irani Fondly Remembered Join Date: May 2005 Real Name: JJ Location: Auckland, NZ Watch: ALL SOLD!! Posts: 74,319	Thanks for that picture, Frans....but I'm at a total loss for words. For starters, he needs a shave and then he, with all his billions, wears a watch that is an absolute POS....why, oh why, does God give money to the wrong people? __________________ Words fail me in expressing my utmost thanks to ALL of you for this wonderful support during my hour of need!! I firmly believe that my time on planet earth is NOT yet up!! I shall fight this to the very end.......and WIN!!

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