Tudor's Weird GMT Hand??

[Rashid.bk]

When Tudor released the new GMT at Basel, I didn't care at first but the watch quickly grew on me.
As I started to digest images and videos of the watch one thing stuck that once I saw it, I couldn't unsee it. Now my eyes are drawn to it, in a bad way.

The red GMT hand seems to me to be too long. It protrudes past the outer perimeter of the gilt dial. That just seems very wrong to me. Is that normal, does that make sense.
I tried to see if early Rolex GMTs did that but couldn't find an example. I know that logically the red GMT hand is to mark the numbers on the bezel so please don't beat me up about that being the reason. It could have easily stayed within the inner gilt circumference and still relate to the bezel. I considered it may be the angle but every single image or video I've seen shows this regardless of angle. (Hopefully that is the situation and then case closed, otherwise...why).

Why would Tudor do that. If this goes to production like this, it will likely prevent me from buying the watch.

Does this seem odd to anyone. Any ideas why it's designed like that. Is there something I'm missing....
Thanks in advance.

[Rashid.bk]

Here's a head on image from Tudor's web page.

[Dan Pierce]

Originally Posted by Rashid.bk

When Tudor released the new GMT at Basel, I didn't care at first but the watch quickly grew on me.
As I started to digest images and videos of the watch one thing stuck that once I saw it, I couldn't unsee it. Now my eyes are drawn to it, in a bad way.

The red GMT hand seems to me to be too long. It protrudes past the outer perimeter of the gilt dial. That just seems very wrong to me. Is that normal, does that make sense.
I tried to see if early Rolex GMTs did that but couldn't find an example. I know that logically the red GMT hand is to mark the numbers on the bezel so please don't beat me up about that being the reason. It could have easily stayed within the inner gilt circumference and still relate to the bezel. I considered it may be the angle but every single image or video I've seen shows this regardless of angle. (Hopefully that is the situation and then case closed, otherwise...why).

Why would Tudor do that. If this goes to production like this, it will likely prevent me from buying the watch.

Does this seem odd to anyone. Any ideas why it's designed like that. Is there something I'm missing....
Thanks in advance.

Yes, every question you ask is missing something.??????????????????????????????
dP

[ale70]

I get your point. I think maybe it’s because we’re used to the 16710 and older to stop before reaching the bezel, but it may actually be quicker to read, although from a pure design point of view it’s indeed wrong

[Rashid.bk]

Originally Posted by Dan Pierce

??????????????????????????????
dP

Meaning, is there an explanation for this, maybe a historical reference.

[lucevan le stelle]

Originally Posted by Dan Pierce

Yes, every question you ask is missing something.??????????????????????????????
dP

Agree.

[Thuilln]

Tudor makes many things wrong. The long crown tube is another example of "Why?". It just looks silly.

[gt0279a]

100% Agree it looks wierd.

But, I believe it was in effort to reduce the possibility of the hand obstructing the hour markers, date and regular hour & seconds hand.

See here in this photoshop:

[Rashid.bk]

Originally Posted by Dan Pierce

Yes, every question you ask is missing something.??????????????????????????????
dP

I'm lost, grammar police, wow... if you're point is I make no sense. Then cool. Otherwise I have no idea what is missing. Seems pretty clear that I'm asking if perhaps someone knows the reason. Every aspect of the Tudors design can be referenced to a specific trait historically to Rolex and Tudor history and heritage.
I could not find a reason why the GMT hand would extend past the dial circumstances.

[Easy E]

I don't so much mind the tip of the 24hr hand extending beyond the indices. I do have an issue with the rather large snowflake marker, not enough to dissuade me from buying one.

FYI
Gilt:
verb
1. a simple past tense and past participle of gild1.
adjective
2. gilded.
3. gold in color; golden.
noun
4. the thin layer of gold or other material applied in gilding.
5. gilt-edged security.

Gild:
verb (used with object), gilded or gilt, gilding.
1. to coat with gold, gold leaf, or a gold-colored substance.

[derekhayden]

Originally Posted by Rashid.bk

I'm lost, grammar police, wow... if you're point is I make no sense. Then cool.

Pretty sure they are pointing out that every question you asked all of them are missing the question mark "?"

[Rashid.bk]

Originally Posted by Thuilln

Tudor makes many things wrong. The long crown tube is another example of "Why?". It just looks silly.

That too, but I can relate. The old big crown Subs are kind of cool. They were trying to go for that look so I can get past it especially since they removed the interior colored collar that it had.

[JParm]

Never noticed it, but it would bother me too. Fortunately, I'm not in the market for this one.

[Rashid.bk]

Originally Posted by derekhayden

Pretty sure they are pointing out that every question you asked all of them are missing the question mark "?"

Of course, typical correction officers shining their badge. Nothing to contribute except the obvious because that really helps explain things.

[Rags]

Don’t get me started on the snowflake hands.

[gt0279a]

See when the hand moves inside the minute track (left image) it obscures the date and hour markers:

[Etschell]

Originally Posted by Rashid.bk

I tried to see if early Rolex GMTs did that but couldn't find an example.

here is one. oh the horror.

secondly as another person pointed out it is probably as well that it doesnt obstruct the hour lume plots. you'll note vintage rolex gmt master II had them further in on the dial.

now if you do not like it don't buy the watch.

[samson66]

I think it makes perfect sense for the GMT hand to point all the way to the edge since you are making the time on the bezel, as you pointed out. It only looks strange because we are used to looking at it on the Rolex GMT. Personally I love the fact that all the hands on Black Bays are longer, and wider, making them easier to read at a glance. For those that don't like the snowflake hands, you really appreciate them after you have one. They make the hands jump out at you. Very easy to read.

[Rashid.bk]

Originally Posted by Easy E

I don't so much mind the tip of the 24hr hand extending beyond the indices. I do have an issue with the rather large snowflake marker, not enough to dissuade me from buying one.

FYI
Gilt:
verb
1. a simple past tense and past participle of gild1.
adjective
2. gilded.
3. gold in color; golden.
noun
4. the thin layer of gold or other material applied in gilding.
5. gilt-edged security.

Gild:
verb (used with object), gilded or gilt, gilding.
1. to coat with gold, gold leaf, or a gold-colored substance.

Thanks you. I'm actually aware of that but was just trying to use the quickest explanation of the dial's outer printing. Since the standard Blackbay had the gold colored print. This one does not, so I assume it doesn't apply.

[Rashid.bk]

Originally Posted by Etschell

here is one. oh the horror.

secondly as another person pointed out it is probably as well that it doesnt obstruct the hour lume plots. you'll note vintage rolex gmt master II had them further in on the dial.

now if you do not like it don't buy the watch.

Thank you, hadn't seen that image. I'm pretty sure I pointed out that I wouldn't buy the watch if I didn't like it, your comment was unnecessary. Didn't ask for buying advice. Seems like some folks are a little wound tight today. Guess this would have been a better thread if I asked would this be a future investment.

[Etschell]

Originally Posted by Rashid.bk

Thank you, hadn't seen that image. I'm pretty sure I pointed out that I wouldn't buy the watch if I didn't like it, your comment was unnecessary. Didn't ask for buying advice. Seems like some folks are a little wound tight today. Guess this would have been a better thread if I asked would this be a future investment.

you are asking a design question i get it. tudor isnt going to redesign the hand and that wasnt a prototype watch.

[AK797]

Originally Posted by gt0279a

100% Agree it looks wierd.

But, I believe it was in effort to reduce the possibility of the hand obstructing the hour markers, date and regular hour & seconds hand.

See here in this photoshop:

This would be my thought too, esp with the snowflake already taking up a lot real estate.

[dhknola]

I like the over chapter ring 24 hour hand as it seems the longer you wear a GMT the more you look at the 24 hour hand first before the traditional hands.
I would have liked if the 24 hour hand would have terminated in a point instead of what looks like rectangular peninsula; it could have just been a nice rotated square with a point but they added that silly, all 90 degree angles, end nub.
I do think the all read 24 hour hand is cool.

[Etschell]

Originally Posted by AK797

This would be my thought too, esp with the snowflake already taking up a lot real estate.

where can i find this version with the 4 gmt hands. i need to know what time it is in the entire usa at all times.

[bp1000]

I like how it extends past the dial markers.

It’s job is to indicate gmt bezel time.

It seems logical to me that it extends beyond the dial. A plus is hour legibility

[j-watch]

Damn it!!! Now my eyes can't "un-see" it either. Guess I'll just be canceling my order for one. No way I can wear that now.

[Devildog]

It’s because the 24 hour hand references the time on the bezel, not the dial

[minute_man]

Unlike the current GMTIIc by mother Rolex, the Tudor 24 hour hand stays out of the way of the date window and the hour markers. I bet it's much easier to read in the dark, too. Try finding the GMTIIc 24h arrow arrow tip when it covers an hour marker...

[j-watch]

Originally Posted by minute_man

Unlike the current GMTIIc by mother Rolex, the Tudor 24 hour hand stays out of the way of the date window and the hour markers. I bet it's much easier to read in the dark, too. Try finding the GMTIIc 24h arrow arrow tip when it covers an hour marker...

In my over twenty years of wearing GMT's from various brands, I can't think of a time I've looked at the GMT hour hand in the dark (or had a need to).

What I do care about is what it looks like during the 99% if the time I'm wearing it and would actually look for the GMT hand.

[Onikage]

Mercedes sword hands and cyclops and it'd be perfect! Kidding. I really like these.