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Old 26 May 2018, 03:30 AM   #1
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Early 1960s GMT-Master

I bought this little treasure today. It joins other 1675s in my collection but this one is in some ways a tad more interesting:



Note the pointed crown guards:







Some parts replaced at service ("boooo....")





...but then this is an early bird. I record the earliest 1675s around 5xx,xxx case numbers. This one is from a batch of around 1,600 manufactured shortly after that, having II.61 (2nd quarter of 1961) case-backs, probably sold circa 1962:



I do like the provenance which case-backs can provide. Watch-makers' service marks can not only be decoded (this watch was booked in for service number 614xxx by Rolex UK in September 1992) but also checked against a register of others, to see that they fall into place / contemporary style of application.

1560 calibre looks to be in decent order



but look how crudely marked is its number :



"D" showing it was a movement with DATE feature, of course.

Now, have a look at the case number :



It would appear to have been applied not just by hand, but by the hand of Oliver Reed after a big night out. This is quite correct for this small batch and, indeed, if one compares two together one finds that the idiosyncrasies, errors and re-strokes of the same numerals are perfectly matched, proving that the numbers must have been applied by a machine, no matter how imperfectly it was set up.

An old watch is just an old watch, until you start listening to what it has to say!



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Old 26 May 2018, 04:24 AM   #2
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Looks wonderful. Congrats.
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Old 26 May 2018, 05:16 AM   #3
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I am so jealous. Hard to find... enjoy.
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Old 26 May 2018, 05:40 AM   #4
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Nice catch Haywood.
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Old 26 May 2018, 06:37 AM   #5
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Thanks for sharing , lovely macro shots
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Old 26 May 2018, 06:50 AM   #6
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Beautiful shots and a great history lesson. Slightly more positive feedback than that FB site!!
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Old 26 May 2018, 07:06 AM   #7
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That is a beauty. I am currently looking at these GMTs along with the Rootbeer.
Very nice looking.

Can we see a wrist Picture?
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Old 26 May 2018, 07:21 AM   #8
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What a gem, stunning, congratulations


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Old 26 May 2018, 09:21 AM   #9
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Hi Haywood-

Very nice- congratulations!

I am especially drawn to the asymmetrical pointed crown guards. I have a 5512 dated 1/61 with similarly asymmetrical GC's, and have seen pictures of other 5512's and 1675's from this era with similar CG's. I believe they came from the factory that way, although many people will argue that the asymmetry is a result of over-polishing. Do you have an opinion on this?

Here is a pic of the CG's on my 5512
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Old 26 May 2018, 09:41 AM   #10
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Awesome macro shots!
Thanks for sharing.
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Old 26 May 2018, 09:43 AM   #11
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Very informative and interesting post, thank you. Congrats on the wonderful find.
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Old 26 May 2018, 03:00 PM   #12
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Old 26 May 2018, 04:12 PM   #13
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Very cool pice, great pics. May I ask, any papers? What did you pay, or, where is such a beauty now?
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Old 26 May 2018, 06:29 PM   #14
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Hm, question, hands and dial are not a later version?
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Old 26 May 2018, 06:39 PM   #15
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Congrats on the PCG! To bad about the hands/dial but althesame cool piece

Have seen the same style hand-engraved on different Bond subs from the same era, that shaky old engraving guy was probably near retirement
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Old 26 May 2018, 10:29 PM   #16
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Old 27 May 2018, 12:17 AM   #17
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Congrats!! nice watch!!!
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Old 27 May 2018, 01:17 AM   #18
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Great info and awesome pics, thanks for sharing
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Old 27 May 2018, 03:02 AM   #19
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Old 27 May 2018, 03:02 AM   #20
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I would try to find the correct dial and hands, not easy, bit it’s worth
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Old 27 May 2018, 09:16 AM   #22
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I have been asked an unusual question both here and by pm.

Is what I paid for it anyone else’s concern?
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Old 27 May 2018, 10:25 AM   #23
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I have been asked an unusual question both here and by pm.

Is what I paid for it anyone else’s concern?
Nope.The Market is evolving so quickly that Buyers are looking to get any price points they can(My Random guess)
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Hi Haywood-

Very nice- congratulations!

I am especially drawn to the asymmetrical pointed crown guards. I have a 5512 dated 1/61 with similarly asymmetrical GC's, and have seen pictures of other 5512's and 1675's from this era with similar CG's. I believe they came from the factory that way, although many people will argue that the asymmetry is a result of over-polishing. Do you have an opinion on this?

Here is a pic of the CG's on my 5512
Of course, it's impossible to know what happened to a watch once it left the mothership but there are period ads that show asymmetrical CGs and that's good enough for me.
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Old 29 May 2018, 09:34 PM   #25
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Hi Haywood-

Very nice- congratulations!

I am especially drawn to the asymmetrical pointed crown guards. I have a 5512 dated 1/61 with similarly asymmetrical GC's, and have seen pictures of other 5512's and 1675's from this era with similar CG's. I believe they came from the factory that way, although many people will argue that the asymmetry is a result of over-polishing. Do you have an opinion on this?

Here is a pic of the CG's on my 5512
I believe that this was an experimental period for crown guards, that variants were not necessarily tried in a linear progression and that more than one style --- including these apparently imbalanced "horns" --- was indeed correct.

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It cost what it cost. It’s a beautiful watch. Well done.


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Old 31 May 2018, 12:22 PM   #28
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I think it’s lovely! And the asymmetrical CGs are very cool. I imagine they were that way from factory. Can’t see over polishing doing that.l, imho.


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Old 31 May 2018, 12:45 PM   #29
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Very cool! Love the details of this early example!
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Lovely piece and enjoy reading your posts!
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