Stolen plane

[Moggo]

Just saw the news about the plane being taken and then crashed in the USA.

They are saying he had no flying experience, for those who fly, is this possible?

If so it’s a huge security issue but also so sad that the man was so distraught as to feel that was his only option.

PS Thankfully no innocent people were hurt I don’t think?


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[Jocke]

Originally Posted by Moggo

Just saw the news about the plane being taken and then crashed in the USA.

They are saying he had no flying experience, for those who fly, is this possible?

If so it’s a huge security issue but also so sad that the man was so distraught as to feel that was his only option.

PS Thankfully no innocent people were hurt I don’t think?


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He was a plane maechanic so I guess he knows how to fly the plane. He even ask the guy in the control tower if he land correct
maybe he can get a job as a pilot. But he don't.

[MonBK]

Originally Posted by Jocke

He was a plane maechanic so I guess he knows how to fly the plane. He even ask the guy in the control tower if he land correct
maybe he can get a job as a pilot. But he don't.

I wouldn't say he landed correctly.

[Runnin' Rebel]

Originally Posted by Jocke

He was a plane maechanic so I guess he knows how to fly the plane. He even ask the guy in the control tower if he land correct

maybe he can get a job as a pilot. But he don't.

I know a few AP mechanics and they can do incredible work but flying an airplane takes another skill set all together

[Jocke]

Originally Posted by MonBK

I wouldn't say he landed correctly.

I'm afraid many will agree with you.

[Travelair007]

Many mechanics are cleared to start and taxi a plane as well as do various run-ups of engine, breaks, etc. Taking off and landing is a different story but if he’s played on a flight simulator or even the company’s simulator, it would be enough to do what he did.

I saw the videos and i didn’t see flying skills, I saw recklessness and some luck until it ran out.

[artschool]

I have a pilots licence and if you were able to get the engines started it probably wouldn't be that difficult to taxi and take off.

[Etschell]

Originally Posted by Jocke

He was a plane maechanic so I guess he knows how to fly the plane. He even ask the guy in the control tower if he land correct
maybe he can get a job as a pilot. But he don't.

if you listen to the audio he said he learned how to fly playing video games.

he did a barrell roll in it....

[77T]

This will amp up the cockpit security measures for ramp and maintenance people. As mentioned earlier, he did “fly” video games. And he mastered the startup procedure for a twin turboprop.

But if we learn better processes to avoid a future problem then his action accomplished something. Sort of like the way a hacker exploiting a software flaw leads to a patch and improved software down the road.

Sad ending for his family.


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[Etschell]

https://www.alaskaair.com/content/tr...-aircraft/q400

this is what he did a barrell roll in. amazing.

[Cryten]

Originally Posted by 77T

But if we learn better processes to avoid a future problem then his action accomplished something. Sort of like the way a hacker exploiting a software flaw leads to a patch and improved software down the road.

In every job there is a level of trust given to every employee, all these clowns do is take away that trust. After the Germanwings crash pilots aren't even trusted in the cockpit anymore, how long before they remove the crash axe and escape rope?

There are so many possible exploits at a modern airport, the only way to patch them all would be to remove all the people.

[77T]

Originally Posted by Cryten

In every job there is a level of trust given to every employee, all these clowns do is take away that trust. After the Germanwings crash pilots aren't even trusted in the cockpit anymore, how long before they remove the crash axe and escape rope?



There are so many possible exploits at a modern airport, the only way to patch them all would be to remove all the people.

Was that the crash where the pilot locked the co-pilot out of the cockpit during flight?
And then flew the plan into terrain?

If so, there is no protection against such outliers.

I agree there are many exploits and trust is paramount. But would you agree that starting up any commercial plane (which always have co-pilots) should require 2 codes to initiate the startup process? I can’t see a downside to that.


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[GB-man]

Bold move. I think he’s been playing too much GTA V. I’ve done this exact sequence of events in GTA countless times as it’s great fun lol

[Cryten]

Originally Posted by 77T

Was that the crash where the pilot locked the co-pilot out of the cockpit during flight?
And then flew the plan into terrain?

If so, there is no protection against such outliers.

I agree there are many exploits and trust is paramount. But would you agree that starting up any commercial plane (which always have co-pilots) should require 2 codes to initiate the startup process? I can’t see a downside to that.


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It was the co pilot locking the Captain out, and yes, I agree you cant legislate these issues away, but that doesn't stop them trying.

Anything that requires special codes or such is a recipe for disaster. I need total control over everything in the cockpit. What about pilot incapacitation or inflight relight/restart? Airbus has already gone as far down that road as anyone dares. Scarebus drivers just go along for the ride, they're barely above the passengers in their ability to control the plane.

[77T]

OK then I do remember that crash - just couldn’t remember who locked who out.

The interlock on theft codes means once the plane is above 0’ relative then no locks on restart.

It’s just an idea now but will soon be reality if we see any copycats. Or a chained and padlocked yoke!


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[c41006]

Originally Posted by artschool

I have a pilots licence and if you were able to get the engines started it probably wouldn't be that difficult to taxi and take off.

Yeah I’m thinking that just starting the thing was the probably the most challenging thing he did throughout the whole joyride

[RichM]

I’m just glad that with all the people he put at risk, he’s the only one who bit the bullet.

Sounded pretty calm for a guy with a death wish.

[Cryten]

Originally Posted by 77T

OK then I do remember that crash - just couldn’t remember who locked who out.

The interlock on theft codes means once the plane is above 0’ relative then no locks on restart.

It’s just an idea now but will soon be reality if we see any copycats. Or a chained and padlocked yoke!


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I've actually seen motorcycle chains used on light twins at airports before. They wrap them around the prop hub.

I'm guessing the guys doing that are from the rough part of town.

[artschool]

Originally Posted by Cryten

I've actually seen motorcycle chains used on light twins at airports before. They wrap them around the prop hub.

I'm guessing the guys doing that are from the rough part of town.

not something you would want to forget as part of the A check. might be a bit more costly than forgetting the chocks or a pitot cover

[Jeffwb65]

Originally Posted by Jocke

He was a plane maechanic so I guess he knows how to fly the plane. He even ask the guy in the control tower if he land correct
maybe he can get a job as a pilot. But he don't.

Dude wasn't a mechanic, just ground maintenance crew worker. His job was baggage handling and after-flight cleaning on aircraft for Horizon Air/Alaska Airlines. No formal training for starting or moving the aircraft except with a tow vehicle. Here's the full story from The Seattle Times.

https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle...rport-crashes/

[goin camping]

Originally Posted by Moggo

Just saw the news about the plane being taken and then crashed in the USA.

They are saying he had no flying experience, for those who fly, is this possible?

If so it’s a huge security issue but also so sad that the man was so distraught as to feel that was his only option.

PS Thankfully no innocent people were hurt I don’t think?


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Grew up watching old WWII movies. Lots of planes and in cockpit camera. So years later I am sitting in the co pilot seat and my pilot buddy asks if I wanted to fly. Heck yes!

He asked me what I knew and I described what the controls did as I had learned watching the movies. He said. "Its yours." and I was able to fly straight. ascend, descend and turn the plane.

Take off and land? No way but I suppose with more knowledge or movies...It would be a spectacular crash and only a small fireball...

BTW, I learned how to shift gears as a kid watching my parents do it too.