AP 2019 is on FIRE

[chad362wiley]

38mm chrono is going to a homerun. It will wear just like a daytona.

What do you think about the 15500?

Have they done anything with 41mm chronos?

[Roger Lococco]

I hope it wears a bit larger than 38mm. But it does look incredible.

[SigloII]

Looks like they are all live on the webpage:

https://www.audemarspiguet.com/en/wa...-by=collection

38mm chronos are a killer, too bad they didn't update the movement.
There is a new white gold/pink dial extra-thin 15202. That is pretty cool.
3 new camo Offshores. Not a fan of the 44mm's TBH they wear huge on the wrist.

[edo]

Why 10 threads guys... we have the official AP SIHH 2019 thread... it is better to keep all in one place for the quality of discussion...

[watchfan0529]

The new 38mm is very similar to what already existed in the past, the 25860st 39mm with exactly the same movement and currently probably cheaper than this new one. I think it's cool they are putting the chrono movement on this case size again.

I do think AP is on fire, but in a different sense because of that new "code"...literally catching fire...

[myporsche]

Originally Posted by SigloII

Looks like they are all live on the webpage:

https://www.audemarspiguet.com/en/wa...-by=collection

38mm chronos are a killer, too bad they didn't update the movement.
There is a new white gold/pink dial extra-thin 15202. That is pretty cool.
3 new camo Offshores. Not a fan of the 44mm's TBH they wear huge on the wrist.

I think they are releasing the last batch of f.piguet chronos in the 38mm cases, it's only a matter of time now there will be a completely new ROC following on the inspiration of the 15500 and with a new chrono movement form CODE watches.

[bruinmd]

Originally Posted by myporsche

I think they are releasing the last batch of f.piguet chronos in the 38mm cases, it's only a matter of time now there will be a completely new ROC following on the inspiration of the 15500 and with a new chrono movement form CODE watches.

I think you're right.

Will these 38mm have closed case backs?

[Ar_Mi]

Originally Posted by myporsche

I think they are releasing the last batch of f.piguet chronos in the 38mm cases, it's only a matter of time now there will be a completely new ROC following on the inspiration of the 15500 and with a new chrono movement form CODE watches.

On the contrary I feel that perhaps the ROC is going to keep its 1185 based calibre for now, why would they introduce the 38mm only to have to redesign the case again next year to fit the thicker in-house chrono.
And who knows how many years their supply contract is with frederic piguet.. maybe it will not end anytime soon, and maybe it will.
Maybe we might see the ROC finally get its upgrade in 2021 when it hits the 5 year anniversary mark...

Then again anything is possible.

[myporsche]

Originally Posted by Ar_Mi

why would they introduce the 38mm only to have to redesign the case again next year to fit the thicker in-house chrono

Like I wrote to fulfill and use up the last batch of f.piguet chronos

Originally Posted by Ar_Mi

On the contrary I feel that perhaps the ROC is going to keep its 1185 based calibre for now

Yep until they use the rest of the existing chrono modules

Originally Posted by Ar_Mi

Maybe we might see the ROC finally get its upgrade in 2021 when it hits the 5 year anniversary mark...

Then again anything is possible.

I think sooner, hopefully they do it in 2019 since the chrono movement is already released on CODE.

AGREED - anything is possible!

[benlee]

I don't think one should get anymore ROC until the new inhouse movement comes in. There are some significant improvements over the current F.Piguet movement Of course, long term accuracy and reliability yet to be tested.

I am ambivalent about the 15500. Not very sure about the black ring around the bezel. Will hold final judgement until I see it. But most likely, I am not going to upgrade as the new offerings have no silver dial.

[zahain]

the 41mm chrono new changes aren't showing online yet. The new 38mm variant will not have a open caseback as seen on the website. The 41mm better have the new movement they're putting in the code sleeper (11.59). The new 15500 will look larger on the wrist than a 15400 due to the larger text and hour markets. Dont see the reason to do that when you have a watch called the offshore for the larger wrist lovers?

[bruinmd]

Originally Posted by zahain

the 41mm chrono new changes aren't showing online yet. The new 38mm variant will not have a open caseback as seen on the website. The 41mm better have the new movement they're putting in the code sleeper (11.59). The new 15500 will look larger on the wrist than a 15400 due to the larger text and hour markets. Dont see the reason to do that when you have a watch called the offshore for the larger wrist lovers?

It's been confirmed -- no open caseback on the 38mm?

[bruinmd]

Originally Posted by benlee

I don't think one should get anymore ROC until the new inhouse movement comes in. There are some significant improvements over the current F.Piguet movement Of course, long term accuracy and reliability yet to be tested.

I am ambivalent about the 15500. Not very sure about the black ring around the bezel. Will hold final judgement until I see it. But most likely, I am not going to upgrade as the new offerings have no silver dial.

This is what I'm struggling with.....................whether to buy a ROC now or wait......

Pros of getting one now: the F. piguet movement is tried, true, and tested and one of the best outsourced chrono movements out there (if not the best?). Price point will remain close to what it is now, while any new ROC in the near future with an in house movement will raise the price of a ROC by a fair amount, I'm guessing.

Cons: Is the ROC with this movement a good value proposition to begin with, relative to a Daytona, where you're talking about a non in house movement with only 40 hour power reserve in the ROC for twice the price of a Daytona at retail?
Also, when the new movement does come out in the new models, it will likely devalue any ROC that is purchased this year.

[Pongster]

What does Code 11:59 mean?

[wisguy]

Originally Posted by bruinmd

It's been confirmed -- no open caseback on the 38mm?

Don't think they will have an openback, the movement is not great to look at, the rotor alone is something better kept hidden.

I used to own a 26300 so I was excited about the 38mm, but not crazy about the dials and really hoped they would use the new movement.

[Ar_Mi]

Originally Posted by myporsche

Like I wrote to fulfill and use up the last batch of f.piguet chronos



Yep until they use the rest of the existing chrono modules



I think sooner, hopefully they do it in 2019 since the chrono movement is already released on CODE.

AGREED - anything is possible!

I would be excited to see the new chrono calibre in the ROC as well.. but deff not coming in 2019. Lets see, I'm also excited to see when AP will choose to do their new watch reveals since they announced they will no longer participate in SIHH come 2020.

[JR16]

I would be surprised if they put a new chrono caliber in the new 38mm case anytime soon as (I assume) it will be thicker and could make the proportions awkward. The 38 is 11mm thick ... 1mm thicker then the 37mm 15450 which some of us consider to be slightly out of proportion. Just my 2 cents


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[ragsk]

Originally Posted by Pongster

What does Code 11:59 mean?

Total nonsense name. The watch deserved better.

[c17r15]

Originally Posted by ragsk

Total nonsense name. The watch deserved better.

Code 11.59 stands for:

Challenge -Challenge the limits of craftsmanship
Own – Our roots and legacy
Dare – To follow firm convictions
Evolve – Never stand still
11.59 – The last minute before a new day

[GB-man]

Originally Posted by c17r15

Code 11.59 stands for:



Challenge -Challenge the limits of craftsmanship

Own – Our roots and legacy

Dare – To follow firm convictions

Evolve – Never stand still

11.59 – The last minute before a new day

Wouldn’t even be a good name for a video game let a 40k watch.

[Borossd]

38mm to me is a ladies size way too small for a man

[cascavel]

Originally Posted by bruinmd

This is what I'm struggling with.....................whether to buy a ROC now or wait......

Pros of getting one now: the F. piguet movement is tried, true, and tested and one of the best outsourced chrono movements out there (if not the best?). Price point will remain close to what it is now, while any new ROC in the near future with an in house movement will raise the price of a ROC by a fair amount, I'm guessing.

Cons: Is the ROC with this movement a good value proposition to begin with, relative to a Daytona, where you're talking about a non in house movement with only 40 hour power reserve in the ROC for twice the price of a Daytona at retail?
Also, when the new movement does come out in the new models, it will likely devalue any ROC that is purchased this year.

The resale value of the discontinued 39mm ROC is a disaster and I don't see why this one would be any better.

[XOREL]

But do you think the 15400 is now discontinued?
And why there isn't a white 15500?

[Tschyvon]

Originally Posted by XOREL

But do you think the 15400 is now discontinued?
And why there isn't a white 15500?

Yes.
No idea. Wears too large maybe so AP was tired of hearing people crying.

[tonupbklyn]

IMHO, had AP limited its 2019 announcements to the development of new movements, the evolution of 15400 to 15500, and the new 38mm ROCs, this year would've been a HUGE success... not to mention even greater momentum for the brand coming off a great 2018 (eg, change is distribution model, ROs increasing in value, open works and concept models, etc).

instead, i fear the CODE release will cause a significant step backwards, or at a minimum a huge stain on brand reputation, for 2019.

the 15500 and 38mm ROCs better fly off the shelves.
if not, AP is looking at a rocky year, i fear.

[GB-man]

Originally Posted by tonupbklyn

IMHO, had AP limited its 2019 announcements to the development of new movements, the evolution of 15400 to 15500, and the new 38mm ROCs, this year would've been a HUGE success... not to mention even greater momentum for the brand coming off a great 2018 (eg, change is distribution model, ROs increasing in value, open works and concept models, etc).

instead, i fear the CODE release will cause a significant step backwards, or at a minimum a huge stain on brand reputation, for 2019.

the 15500 and 38mm ROCs better fly off the shelves.
if not, AP is looking at a rocky year, i fear.

I foresee everyone will just ignore the code line. It will become the datejust of display cases (not meant to diss the datejust as it’s a much much much better design).

I think the 15500 will have people lined up for the new royal oak. The watch was already in demand and now you have a new release which will entice more buyers into the pool.

[tonupbklyn]

Originally Posted by GB-man

I foresee everyone will just ignore the code line. It will become the datejust of display cases (not meant to diss the datejust as it’s a much much much better design).

I think the 15500 will have people lined up for the new royal oak. The watch was already in demand and now you have a new release which will entice more buyers into the pool.

100%.

that said, i have to say that the recent releases have given me greater appreciation for having my c3120 RO. a proven workhorse movement, and (at least in my case) a size/case/dial/PM configuration that is/will be a seemingly rare model as time goes on.

and (hope it won't be the case, but) if the new movement ends up having problems in the first few years, the past models with the c3120 are going to end up being highly coveted.

here's to the beginning of being a 'rare vintage'....

[bronzeband00]

I think its stunning, it's cool they are putting the chrono movement on this case size again. AP is on fire

[appa666]

Originally Posted by Pongster

What does Code 11:59 mean?

Appearantly AP thought the new 11.59 line is close to perfection so when they announce the “perfect” new line they will name it 12.00

[tyler1980]

i pretty much like everything except the 15500

the hour markers are too thick and IMO it makes it less elegant and more offshore ish. I like the new position of the date window and new movement though. Also removing the word automatic makes the dial unbalanced so they should have moved the AP logo down like on the 15202