8.7 serial GMT 1984 or 1985?

[Mani*]

Hello!

I need you help please! Is it a 1984 or 1985 GMT? Serial began with 8.7

Bobswatches ways 1985 https://www.bobswatches.com/rolex-serial-numbers
I found also that chart that says 1984 https://swisswrist-websupport911.net...l_number_1.JPG

Thank you for sharing your knowledge!

Mani

[padi56]

Well the case was stamped latter part of 1985 this dont always mean the exact year it was made.

[offrdmania]

Originally Posted by Mani*

Hello!

I need you help please! Is it a 1984 or 1985 GMT? Serial began with 8.7

Bobswatches ways 1985 https://www.bobswatches.com/rolex-serial-numbers
I found also that chart that says 1984 https://swisswrist-websupport911.net...l_number_1.JPG

Thank you for sharing your knowledge!

Mani

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=54362

[Tom1675]

gotta go with '85 or maybe later... you'll never know for sure.

[037]

Some charts have 1984 as late as 8.8M. It's all a rough estimate based on sales history. If you can tie a serial number with a clasp code then you can get a bit closer.

If you're specifically looking for a 1984 watch then your best bet is to find something in the 8.0M to 8.8M range in the condition that you want and enjoy it. Being off a small amount in time isn't nearly as important as the watch itself. Get close and call it good.

[faimag]

'84 - 85' ,... what difference does it make?

[Mani*]

Thank you very much for your replies!

The GMT has a matte dial that keeps me thinking its closer to 1984

I appreciate all your feedback!

Thanks!

Mani

PS: 1984 is my birth year. ;-)

[Tools]

Pick a date, enjoy it.

No Internet chart can accurately date your watch more closely than a couple of years.

The charts are compiled from observing when a serial is first seen in the marketplace, or when one is first purchased. Additional information was taken from caseback stamps used in the mid-50's through ~'72, then extrapolated to fill in blanks.

It is not a scientifically proven, or Rolex provided database.

[springer]

Mani, it's is a pointed crown guard from the mid-1960s.

[Dan S]

Originally Posted by springer

Mani, it's is a pointed crown guard from the mid-1960s.

You always need to count the number of digits in the serial.

[Mani*]

Originally Posted by Dan S

You always need to count the number of digits in the serial.

Good point! 😂

6 digit serial!

What price range are we talking now?!

Thanks for your support and helping me to figure that out!

Mani

[Dan S]

Originally Posted by Mani*

Good point! ��

6 digit serial!

What price range are we talking now?!

Thanks for your support and helping me to figure that out!

Mani

Value will depend a lot on whether hands and dial are original, or service replacements. My gut is saying service, but I hate to jump to conclusions without better photos. Clear, in-focus, and in natural light. For example, we need to be able to distinguish whether the dial is glossy or matte, and whether the printing is white or gilt. Perhaps the large GMT hand is already a tip-off.

[TurboWatch]

1. The hand stack tells me it's a 1675 and NOT a 16750 of the 80's.
2. The case profile ( crown guard ) tells me it's a PCG as John stated earlier.


So..... forget the chart, and open up the back.... and look at the movement.

It's a put together GMT as I see it.

[Mani*]

Originally Posted by TurboWatch

1. The hand stack tells me it's a 1675 and NOT a 16750 of the 80's.
2. The case profile ( crown guard ) tells me it's a PCG as John stated earlier.


So..... forget the chart, and open up the back.... and look at the movement.

It's a put together GMT as I see it.

Thank you for all those informations! What caliber should be inside? The gentleman said he had it serviced twice at Rolex and bought it used in the mid 80s. Is it a Frankenwatch?

Thanks for all your pointers!

Mani

PS: he said the dial is matte and the clasp code is J 3

[Dan S]

Originally Posted by Mani*

Thank you for all those informations! What caliber should be inside? The gentleman said he had it serviced twice at Rolex and bought it used in the mid 80s. Is it a Frankenwatch?

Thanks for all your pointers!

Mani

PS: he said the dial is matte and the clasp code is J 3

I think there is still some confusion because you initially posted the incorrect serial number. I am leaning towards the conclusion that it's simply a 1960s ref 1675 (case serial 87x,xxx) with service parts, and I don't consider that to be a frankenwatch, although it does affect value.

[Mani*]

Originally Posted by Dan S

I think there is still some confusion because you initially posted the incorrect serial number. I am leaning towards the conclusion that it's simply a 1960s ref 1675 (case serial 87x,xxx) with service parts, and I don't consider that to be a frankenwatch, although it does affect value.

Here is the a "better picture" the older gentleman sent me. I would also like to solve this puzzle and let him know what he bought back in the days and what he would like to sell now and what this watch could be worth.

Thanks!

Mani

[Dan S]

This is somewhat speculative based on the quality of the photos, but I'm going to say mid-1960s ref 1675 with later matte tritium service dial, even later (super)luminova service hands, and service bezel insert.

[Mani*]

Originally Posted by Dan S

This is somewhat speculative based on the quality of the photos, but I'm going to say mid-1960s ref 1675 with later matte tritium service dial, even later (super)luminova service hands, and service bezel insert.

Thank you for that roundup! We still don’t know what movement is in there. If ther is the correct Caliber 1565 in there what can I tell that gentleman about the value of this time piece?

Thanks!

Mani

[Mani*]

UPDATE! Case closed for me. Papers did not match the serial on the watch! What a disappointment!

Thanks for everyone helping me out and I’m glad I did not go for it!

Mani

[Dan S]

I didn't even realize there were papers. In any case, without the original dial, there's not much reason for a collector to be interested in this watch.

[Mani*]

I’m very glad this forum exists! This is another example why you should buy from a good source like some collectors from here that are well known!

Thanks!

Mani

[1665fan]

I guess you are a lot older than you thought lol!

[Mani*]

Originally Posted by 1665fan

I guess you are a lot older than you thought lol!

LOL! Yeah, thank you! I recognized quickly that it’s a jungle out there!

Mani

[Mrpupsi]

The more I see these watches the more I want one. Definitely going to be my next watch I think.

[lhanddds]

Originally Posted by Tools

Pick a date, enjoy it.



No Internet chart can accurately date your watch more closely than a couple of years.



The charts are compiled from observing when a serial is first seen in the marketplace, or when one is first purchased. Additional information was taken from caseback stamps used in the mid-50's through ~'72, then extrapolated to fill in blanks.



It is not a scientifically proven, or Rolex provided database.

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