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TopDog2315 · 13 February 2019, 12:48 AM

Hey guys,

My Submariner is dated 1988, and (as you're probably aware) is one of the first 16610 - Equipped with the 3135 movement.

Given that its my daily beater and that I dive 5 -10 times a year, I decided (with the recommendation of the RSC) to have the dial, hands, bezel
replaced so that its functioning as it should - Its a tool watch after all!

What I love about this watch is that it somewhat has that vintage feel, but with all the functionalities of the new.

Looking at that clean dial, hands, bezel and the lume is fantastic, mixed that in with the beautiful vintage original date calendar with the open 6s and 9s is mind blowing in my opinion.

What do you guys think, was the RSC replacements worth it in this case, or would you have kept them original?

Thanks,

TimeToGo · 13 February 2019, 12:52 AM

All that matters is that you are enjoying it. You get the benefit of a new watch at a fraction of the cost.

Nice watch!

Cheers!

neilm92 · 13 February 2019, 01:21 AM

I tend to agree, as long as you're happy with the watch. You use it as it is meant to be used and now you have a brand new watch, so yes great value.

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padi56 · 13 February 2019, 01:39 AM

Would doubt if any black dial 16610 will be hugely collectable, all that matters is that you are enjoying it, and now got a perfectly functional watch thats as good as new.

PS. Its a R serial Rolex have never made a series of watches.

jsausley · 13 February 2019, 01:40 AM

That's beautiful. Yes, you may have hurt the resell, but if your plan is to keep it for 20 years or more, who cares?

It looks amazing. Wish I could find a 1988 model in such great shape to buy! (that's my birth year)

Tools · 13 February 2019, 01:49 AM

Nothing wrong with keeping your watch functional and fresh.

Vintage and collectible watches that are kept "original" are not wearable without significant risk, and so aren't much good for anything but bragging rights.

Wrist King · 13 February 2019, 01:57 AM

I can't believe that's a 1988 watch. Looks better than my 16610. Very well done..

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Daveclock · 13 February 2019, 01:57 AM

As a watch to continue "beating" it does not matter to you.
Obviously it has seriously harmed the value of a nice, original watch - but to you it is irrelevant.
But if this was the same conversation regarding your Double Red etc., I would be crying for you now!

Wrist King · 13 February 2019, 01:57 AM

Mine being a 2004 model.

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TopDog2315 · 13 February 2019, 02:01 AM

Yup, noted/corrected it ; )

Thanks,

Motomatt52 · 13 February 2019, 02:12 AM

Looks fantastic!

Chadridv · 13 February 2019, 02:42 AM

it looks great! I don't think there's a right or wrong in regards to the preference of replacement in this watch, but as far as the functionality, I don't see why all those new parts would make this watch any more functional as a diver.

For example, With proper service and pressure testing, what possible advantage could the new vs original dial have?

jbarolex · 13 February 2019, 03:08 AM

Just save the old dial/hands/bezel, then you can go back

TopDog2315 · 13 February 2019, 03:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chadridv

it looks great! I don't think there's a right or wrong in regards to the preference of replacement in this watch, but as far as the functionality, I don't see why all those new parts would make this watch any more functional as a diver.

For example, With proper service and pressure testing, what possible advantage could the new vs original dial have?

Well the original tritium dial, hands and bezel lost their Lume, so I couldn't see anything in the dark.

That's mainly the reason why the RSC suggested changing it.

TopDog2315 · 15 February 2019, 10:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daveclock

As a watch to continue "beating" it does not matter to you.
Obviously it has seriously harmed the value of a nice, original watch - but to you it is irrelevant.
But if this was the same conversation regarding your Double Red etc., I would be crying for you now!

Thanks for the reply! Just for the record, we’re not talking about the red sub or the double red SD, or anything close to a vintage model - just a common 16610 sub. I would have never done that to any of those models.

Cheers,

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SN13 · 16 February 2019, 03:06 AM

I tend to agree that it's better to have the new SuperLuminova dial/hands than old tritium unless you've got a vintage piece.

I really don't see a huge value in keeping Tritium Dials unless it's like a Cream-ExplorerII or a watch that never transitioned into Lum/SuperLum dials. Like 4 digit models etc.

joli160 · 16 February 2019, 06:35 AM

You did right

Old Expat Beast · 16 February 2019, 07:42 AM

I did the same with a 1989 5513

garbanzo · 16 February 2019, 07:46 AM

You did the right thing !
Wish you many decades with this rejuvenated one.

TopDog2315 · 16 February 2019, 09:37 AM

Thanks for the kind words guys!

Rags · 16 February 2019, 10:36 AM

Looks brand new. Love the open 9.

101031-28 · 16 February 2019, 10:45 AM

Given that to you, it is a tool, daily wear, I say you did the right thing. From a vintage standpoint, well..

toolr · 16 February 2019, 12:37 PM

Looks great!

SeaDweller50 · 16 February 2019, 12:47 PM

I would have made the same decision. Much prefer the updates coupled with vintage feel. Congrats.

superstarmar · 16 February 2019, 02:48 PM

Good call I say ... if your going to wear it ,
why not sport it like new ?

jimcameron · 16 February 2019, 05:40 PM

Since it was done by the RSC, I'm going to ask since my 16800 is worthless for night time use. What was the RSC $$ charge for the dial, and hands?

Your watch looks fantastic. Every time I try and see the time in the dark, my watch just pisses me off.

TopDog2315 · 16 February 2019, 11:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimcameron

Since it was done by the RSC, I'm going to ask since my 16800 is worthless for night time use. What was the RSC $$ charge for the dial, and hands?

Your watch looks fantastic. Every time I try and see the time in the dark, my watch just pisses me off.

So RSC charged me 550$ (cad) for the dial & hands and 130$ (cad) for the bezel insert. This was all done during a complete service in 2016. Prices might differ today - also yours will be different given that it’s a 16800.

Cheers,

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jimcameron · 17 February 2019, 01:23 AM

Thanks Top Dog

TopDog2315 · 20 February 2019, 10:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by garbanzo

You did the right thing !

Wish you many decades with this rejuvenated one.

gracias!

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watchwatcher · 20 February 2019, 10:50 PM

The best of both worlds...looks great.

13 February 2019, 12:48 AM	#1
TopDog2315 "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2018 Real Name: Allessandro Location: Canada Watch: 16610/16570/16220 Posts: 705	R serial 1988 Submariner 16610 - RSC replacement dial, hands and bezel. Hey guys, My Submariner is dated 1988, and (as you're probably aware) is one of the first 16610 - Equipped with the 3135 movement. Given that its my daily beater and that I dive 5 -10 times a year, I decided (with the recommendation of the RSC) to have the dial, hands, bezel replaced so that its functioning as it should - Its a tool watch after all! What I love about this watch is that it somewhat has that vintage feel, but with all the functionalities of the new. Looking at that clean dial, hands, bezel and the lume is fantastic, mixed that in with the beautiful vintage original date calendar with the open 6s and 9s is mind blowing in my opinion. What do you guys think, was the RSC replacements worth it in this case, or would you have kept them original? Thanks, Attached Images Last edited by TopDog2315; 13 February 2019 at 01:59 AM.. Reason: Typo ; )

13 February 2019, 01:39 AM	#4
padi56 "TRF" Life Patron Join Date: Jun 2005 Real Name: Peter Location: Llanfairpwllgwyng Watch: ing you. Posts: 53,063	Would doubt if any black dial 16610 will be hugely collectable, all that matters is that you are enjoying it, and now got a perfectly functional watch thats as good as new. PS. Its a R serial Rolex have never made a series of watches. __________________ ICom Pro3 All posts are my own opinion and my opinion only. "The clock of life is wound but once, and no man has the power to tell just when the hands will stop. Now is the only time you actually own the time, Place no faith in time, for the clock may soon be still for ever." Good Judgement comes from experience,experience comes from Bad Judgement,.Buy quality, cry once; buy cheap, cry again and again. www.mc0yad.club Second in command CEO and left handed watch winder

13 February 2019, 01:40 AM	#5
jsausley "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2018 Location: North Carolina Watch: 214270/116710BLNR Posts: 813	That's beautiful. Yes, you may have hurt the resell, but if your plan is to keep it for 20 years or more, who cares? It looks amazing. Wish I could find a 1988 model in such great shape to buy! (that's my birth year) __________________ 214270 \| 116710BLNR

13 February 2019, 01:49 AM	#6
Tools TRF Moderator & 2024 SubLV41 Patron Join Date: May 2007 Real Name: Larry Location: Mojave Desert Watch: GMT's Posts: 43,514	Nothing wrong with keeping your watch functional and fresh. Vintage and collectible watches that are kept "original" are not wearable without significant risk, and so aren't much good for anything but bragging rights. __________________ (Chill ... It's just a watch Forum.....) NAWCC Member

13 February 2019, 02:42 AM	#12
Chadridv 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Real Name: Chadri Location: LI, NY Watch: 116610LV Posts: 11,357	it looks great! I don't think there's a right or wrong in regards to the preference of replacement in this watch, but as far as the functionality, I don't see why all those new parts would make this watch any more functional as a diver. For example, With proper service and pressure testing, what possible advantage could the new vs original dial have? __________________ - i͞n͟s͞t͟a͞g͞r͟a͞m͞ @ⓒⓄⓁⒹⓒⒶⓈⒺⓦⒶⒶⓉⒸⒽⒺⓈ

13 February 2019, 12:52 AM	#2
TimeToGo 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: North Florida Posts: 16,736	All that matters is that you are enjoying it. You get the benefit of a new watch at a fraction of the cost. Nice watch! Cheers!

13 February 2019, 01:21 AM	#3
neilm92 "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2018 Real Name: Neil Location: Ireland Watch: Speedy Posts: 104	I tend to agree, as long as you're happy with the watch. You use it as it is meant to be used and now you have a brand new watch, so yes great value. Sent from my Pixel 3 using Tapatalk

13 February 2019, 01:57 AM	#7
Wrist King "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2019 Location: Hong Kong Watch: 16610 Sub, 16710 P Posts: 333	I can't believe that's a 1988 watch. Looks better than my 16610. Very well done.. Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk

13 February 2019, 01:57 AM	#8
Daveclock "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2018 Real Name: Dave Location: UK Watch: ing and waiting! Posts: 864	As a watch to continue "beating" it does not matter to you. Obviously it has seriously harmed the value of a nice, original watch - but to you it is irrelevant. But if this was the same conversation regarding your Double Red etc., I would be crying for you now!

13 February 2019, 02:01 AM	#10
TopDog2315 "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2018 Real Name: Allessandro Location: Canada Watch: 16610/16570/16220 Posts: 705	Yup, noted/corrected it ; ) Thanks,

13 February 2019, 02:12 AM	#11
Motomatt52 "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2018 Location: NJ Watch: 126660 DSSD Posts: 25	Looks fantastic!

13 February 2019, 03:08 AM	#13
jbarolex "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2017 Real Name: jesper Location: denmark Watch: rolex Posts: 77	Just save the old dial/hands/bezel, then you can go back

16 February 2019, 03:06 AM	#16
SN13 "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2015 Location: Florida Posts: 1,124	I tend to agree that it's better to have the new SuperLuminova dial/hands than old tritium unless you've got a vintage piece. I really don't see a huge value in keeping Tritium Dials unless it's like a Cream-ExplorerII or a watch that never transitioned into Lum/SuperLum dials. Like 4 digit models etc. __________________ IG@Construction_Time --- 1986 DD 18038 --- 1992 YM 16628 --- 2015 116600 SD4K --- SBDX001 MM300 --- 2009 Omega Ploprof White --- 2010 Omega LE LMPO

16 February 2019, 06:35 AM	#17
joli160 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: NL Watch: Yachtmaster Posts: 14,761	You did right __________________ Day Date 18238, Yachtmaster 16622, Deepsea 116660, Submariner 116619, SkyD 326935, DJ 178271, DJ 69158, Yachtmaster 169622, GMT 116713LN, GMT 126711.

16 February 2019, 07:42 AM	#18
Old Expat Beast TRF Moderator & 2024 SubLV41 Patron Join Date: Jul 2013 Real Name: Adam Location: Far East Watch: Golden Tuna Posts: 28,826	I did the same with a 1989 5513 __________________ _______________________

16 February 2019, 07:46 AM	#19
garbanzo "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2019 Location: Spain Posts: 833	You did the right thing ! Wish you many decades with this rejuvenated one. __________________ 116610LN - 216570 Polar - 114300 Red Grape - 326934 White - 116660 Black - 126300 Blue - 116713LN - 116503 Black - 116900 - 126600 - 116618LB - 116689 - 79220R ETA

16 February 2019, 09:37 AM	#20
TopDog2315 "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2018 Real Name: Allessandro Location: Canada Watch: 16610/16570/16220 Posts: 705	Thanks for the kind words guys!

16 February 2019, 10:36 AM	#21
Rags 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Real Name: Chuck Location: SW Florida Watch: 16233,16610,214270 Posts: 11,196	Looks brand new. Love the open 9. __________________ 16233 Y Serial Datejust 16610 Z Serial Submariner 214270 Explorer *114300 Oyster Perpetual* *76200 Tudor Date+Day*

16 February 2019, 10:45 AM	#22
101031-28 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: USA Watch: 1665 Posts: 4,764	Given that to you, it is a tool, daily wear, I say you did the right thing. From a vintage standpoint, well.. __________________ He could not just wear a watch. It had to be a Rolex. Ian Fleming

16 February 2019, 12:37 PM	#23
toolr 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Northwest Posts: 1,369	Looks great!

16 February 2019, 12:47 PM	#24
SeaDweller50 "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Real Name: Sandy Location: England. Watch: 14060M 2 liner Posts: 3,204	I would have made the same decision. Much prefer the updates coupled with vintage feel. Congrats.

16 February 2019, 02:48 PM	#25
superstarmar Banned Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: In Motion Watch: my wrist presence Posts: 7,436	Good call I say ... if your going to wear it , why not sport it like new ?

16 February 2019, 05:40 PM	#26
jimcameron "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: ByDawns Earlylite Watch: 16800 Posts: 3,580	Since it was done by the RSC, I'm going to ask since my 16800 is worthless for night time use. What was the RSC $$ charge for the dial, and hands? Your watch looks fantastic. Every time I try and see the time in the dark, my watch just pisses me off.

17 February 2019, 01:23 AM	#28
jimcameron "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: ByDawns Earlylite Watch: 16800 Posts: 3,580	Thanks Top Dog

20 February 2019, 10:50 PM	#30
watchwatcher "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Real Name: Larry Location: Kentucky Watch: Yes Posts: 35,047	The best of both worlds...looks great.

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