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ndls · 23 February 2019, 05:11 AM

Hi all,

I have an opportunity to pick up a Sub ND today. However, I currently have a Speedmaster and an Explorer 1. Would the Sub ND and Explorer 1 be redundant? I can’t seem to get over the look of a date on the Sub, but it would be more functional than having two time only Rolex pieces.

At the same time, my heart wants both haha.

Any help is appreciated!

N

Brian Page · 23 February 2019, 05:15 AM

Go with both, I don't care about a date function personally.

pikers · 23 February 2019, 05:19 AM

Get the sub and keep the Exp 1. I have a Exp 1 (114270) and No Date Sub (114060) and I love them both. They are very different watches and can easily live within the same collection. I had a Hulk and while I loved the color, I wasn't a fan of the date. I sold it and grabbed a 114060, zero regrets.

Zuger · 23 February 2019, 05:21 AM

I would absolutely pick up the Sub ND. It deserves to be in any collection, even for a little while. Wear it for a few months and see how that works with the Explorer.

Ferdelious · 23 February 2019, 05:21 AM

I personally like having a date and most of the time when I wear my Explorer I I'm annoyed it doesn't have it. But if no date doesn't bother you, go for it. Yhey are 2 totally different watches so having both wouldn't be redundant. Or try to find a Sea-Dweller 4000, best of both worlds with the date and no cyclops.

Rolexavidfan · 23 February 2019, 05:24 AM

I would pick up the Sub C ND to supplement the Exp1.

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Robadob · 23 February 2019, 05:26 AM

You won’t regret picking up the Sub to complement the Explorer 1. In my eyes the two have very different end uses.

jburson250 · 23 February 2019, 05:42 AM

The Submariner (I have two) and Explorer (I have one) are very different watches IMO. Surely, if you've got an opportunity and the means to get a 114060, I suggest you do it. It's an awesome timepiece with lots of wrist presence and a beautiful, symmetrical dial. Your phone will continue doing a fine job of telling you the date.
Best luck with your choice.

Junior_ · 23 February 2019, 05:46 AM

Been living with the 114060 for a month after 25 years of watches with the date. I don’t miss It at all. Love that watch more than any other watch.

Burlington · 23 February 2019, 05:48 AM

No date is the better looking version in my view

Rashid.bk · 23 February 2019, 06:11 AM

Both would be cool with me, both are different enough to coexist. Time only has certain charms. If only one then it would have to be the Submariner.

dmb359 · 23 February 2019, 06:14 AM

both is always the answer. Sub and Exp are a great pair.

It would definitely be the Sub if I had to pick one to keep though.

jonny deacon · 23 February 2019, 06:20 AM

I've got all three, plenty of variation and very fond of each - you, sir, have excellent taste haha - good luck man

atn_uk · 23 February 2019, 06:21 AM

As a complete newbie, I would give my gut reaction as "both" if you can afford them, but the ND Sub if only one.

But I like simplicity. I think the ND sub is the epitome of a classic watch. If I could lay my hands on one that is what I would go for every time (now I know a little more about these things than I did when I bought my first watch).

Don't really care about dates personally. Good if there, fine if not.

ndls · 23 February 2019, 06:32 AM

Thanks everyone. I’m taking the Sub and keeping both. Fell in love as soon as I saw it. My AD pulled through big time in a short period

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Oldfellow · 23 February 2019, 06:39 AM

Congratulations, you made the right choice.
They are a great pair, entirely different but compliment each other.
I enjoy mine equally.

007_Omega · 23 February 2019, 06:45 AM

I'm also a Sub "No-Date" guy and a Speedy. Almost chose the Explorer I over the Sub but I know 100% that I made the right decision going with the Sub. As much as I like the Explorer, I just don't think it'll end up in my collection.

I can't really justify having 3 black sports watches with no date. I've decided to build up my collection with complimentary pieces rather than just going for watches that I like. My next watch has to have a pop of color and a date function. Explorer II fills that niche quite nicely with an added GMT function to boot.

Date wasn't really an option for me on the Sub. The aesthetic perfection of a "No-Date" Sub was never going to be beat by the date function. Not to mention my love of Bond probably instilled a bias into me. I may have considered a date if they offered one without the cyclops (no, not the SD4K too thick and way too expensive after being discontinued). Also, you'll see Subs all the time but the "No-Date" is a rare beast indeed and a mark of an enthusiast usually.

dwjez14 · 23 February 2019, 06:46 AM

Both both !!

RHIII · 23 February 2019, 07:02 AM

Both. Those are two FANTASTIC watches that can easily co-exist in any collection.

Modern versions of true classics!

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Tony1T · 23 February 2019, 07:15 AM

Good choice getting both. Im a big fan of the Explorer.

Zuger · 23 February 2019, 08:15 AM

You have chosen . . . WISELY.

2nastie · 23 February 2019, 08:19 AM

Congrats on the pick up bud.

I say bye bye Speedy...

JayHantz · 23 February 2019, 08:27 AM

CONGRATS! I think that’s a killer no date sports combo.

Luciano Oliveira · 23 February 2019, 08:32 AM

Congratulations Op, you really made the right choice. Enjoy.

carlhaluss · 23 February 2019, 08:36 AM

I think you did the right thing. I currently own an Explorer 1, and have an order for the 114060. Funny thing, I got a call from my AD today, offering me the chance to get the 116610LN Submariner Date. But I decided to wait until they get a 114060. I don't regret turning down the Sub Date, though.

I think the Explorer 1 and 114060 are a great combination.

Well, I'm in Vancouver as well. So your call for the 114060 gives me some hope that I may get mine fairly soon.

Congratulations!

Cheers,
Carl

droptopman · 23 February 2019, 09:02 AM

Good choice and congrats!

SkeezerMcDark · 23 February 2019, 10:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ndls

Thanks everyone. I’m taking the Sub and keeping both. Fell in love as soon as I saw it. My AD pulled through big time in a short period

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Based on this picture, it looks like the dial on the Exp1 is BIGGER than the Sub? Are my eyes deceiving me? I have not been able to see either in the wild (thanks to the SS shortage), let along side by side. I always imagined that the Sub dial would be bigger since it's 40mm. Does the 40mm size include the ceramic bezel?

Maxy · 23 February 2019, 10:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SkeezerMcDark

Based on this picture, it looks like the dial on the Exp1 is BIGGER than the Sub? Are my eyes deceiving me? I have not been able to see either in the wild (thanks to the SS shortage), let along side by side. I always imagined that the Sub dial would be bigger since it's 40mm. Does the 40mm size include the ceramic bezel?

Yes 40mm includes bezel, so in reality Sub dial is smaller than Explorer. Also, Explorer has better movement than Sub here! (3132 vs 3130)

Maxy · 23 February 2019, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by ndls

Great pic.. I see so often people ask which one to choose in between these 2 watches. I mean, except that both watches don't have a date there's NOTHING else which is common.

One is diver with 300 meters depth rating, other with more Parachrom hairspring and Paraflex shock absorbers in the movement. One has a bezel, other doesn't. One has line markers and other dot markers. One has 369 on dial, other doesn't. I mean, how are these watches in discussion to pick is beyond me. Both are completely different watches and both can co-exist in the collection as I do own them!

damoore · 23 February 2019, 10:19 AM

I agree to keep both. I had both incl Exp MK II. Ended up with the SD4K flipping the ND Sub. Both watches are awesome and timeless. Actually find I wear my Exp more often with my BB 58 also getting a lot of wrist time.

Congrats with your purchase.

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23 February 2019, 05:11 AM	#1
ndls "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2018 Location: Vancouver/Seattle Posts: 400	Explorer 1 or SubND or both? Hi all, I have an opportunity to pick up a Sub ND today. However, I currently have a Speedmaster and an Explorer 1. Would the Sub ND and Explorer 1 be redundant? I can’t seem to get over the look of a date on the Sub, but it would be more functional than having two time only Rolex pieces. At the same time, my heart wants both haha. Any help is appreciated! N

23 February 2019, 05:21 AM	#5
Ferdelious 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: May 2013 Real Name: Matt Location: Tampa, FL Watch: Hulk/SD4K/SeaQ/P39 Posts: 3,203	I personally like having a date and most of the time when I wear my Explorer I I'm annoyed it doesn't have it. But if no date doesn't bother you, go for it. Yhey are 2 totally different watches so having both wouldn't be redundant. Or try to find a Sea-Dweller 4000, best of both worlds with the date and no cyclops. __________________ Why is it, "A penny for your thoughts," but, "you have to put your two cents in?" Somebody's making a penny.

23 February 2019, 05:24 AM	#6
Rolexavidfan "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Real Name: Har Location: Tukwila, WA Watch: Rolex Posts: 1,571	I would pick up the Sub C ND to supplement the Exp1. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ Rolex Rolex Rolex Rolex Rolex Rolex Rolex Rolex Rolex Rolex Go for the timepiece you love. You will save more. ...

23 February 2019, 05:42 AM	#8
jburson250 "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Real Name: Jim Location: SE NH Watch: DSSD Posts: 388	The Submariner (I have two) and Explorer (I have one) are very different watches IMO. Surely, if you've got an opportunity and the means to get a 114060, I suggest you do it. It's an awesome timepiece with lots of wrist presence and a beautiful, symmetrical dial. Your phone will continue doing a fine job of telling you the date. Best luck with your choice. __________________ Jim Explorer 214270. Sea-Dweller 126600. Sea-Dweller Deepsea 126660 Black. Submariner 5512. PAM 514 Radiomir 1940. Railmaster XXL 2806.52.37. Speedmaster Moonphase 304.33.44.52.01.001. RIP JJ

23 February 2019, 05:48 AM	#10
Burlington "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2017 Location: Europe Posts: 5,643	No date is the better looking version in my view __________________ “My tastes are simple; I am easily satisfied with the best.” ― Winston S. Churchill

23 February 2019, 05:15 AM	#2
Brian Page "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: USA Posts: 6,625	Go with both, I don't care about a date function personally.

23 February 2019, 05:19 AM	#3
pikers "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2017 Location: New England Posts: 248	Get the sub and keep the Exp 1. I have a Exp 1 (114270) and No Date Sub (114060) and I love them both. They are very different watches and can easily live within the same collection. I had a Hulk and while I loved the color, I wasn't a fan of the date. I sold it and grabbed a 114060, zero regrets.

23 February 2019, 05:21 AM	#4
Zuger "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Real Name: Richard Location: USA Watch: me set the time Posts: 2,520	I would absolutely pick up the Sub ND. It deserves to be in any collection, even for a little while. Wear it for a few months and see how that works with the Explorer.

23 February 2019, 05:26 AM	#7
Robadob "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: UK Posts: 14	You won’t regret picking up the Sub to complement the Explorer 1. In my eyes the two have very different end uses.

23 February 2019, 05:46 AM	#9
Junior_ "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2019 Real Name: John Location: Ohio Watch: Rolex 114060 Posts: 658	Been living with the 114060 for a month after 25 years of watches with the date. I don’t miss It at all. Love that watch more than any other watch.

23 February 2019, 06:11 AM	#11
Rashid.bk "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Dallas Watch: 12800ft = 3900m Posts: 11,173	Both would be cool with me, both are different enough to coexist. Time only has certain charms. If only one then it would have to be the Submariner.

23 February 2019, 06:14 AM	#12
dmb359 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: May 2016 Real Name: Darren Location: Minneapolis Posts: 650	both is always the answer. Sub and Exp are a great pair. It would definitely be the Sub if I had to pick one to keep though. __________________ @dmb359

23 February 2019, 06:20 AM	#13
jonny deacon "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2018 Location: Lexington KY Posts: 595	I've got all three, plenty of variation and very fond of each - you, sir, have excellent taste haha - good luck man

23 February 2019, 06:21 AM	#14
atn_uk "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2019 Location: UK Posts: 162	As a complete newbie, I would give my gut reaction as "both" if you can afford them, but the ND Sub if only one. But I like simplicity. I think the ND sub is the epitome of a classic watch. If I could lay my hands on one that is what I would go for every time (now I know a little more about these things than I did when I bought my first watch). Don't really care about dates personally. Good if there, fine if not.

23 February 2019, 06:32 AM	#15
ndls "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2018 Location: Vancouver/Seattle Posts: 400	Thanks everyone. I’m taking the Sub and keeping both. Fell in love as soon as I saw it. My AD pulled through big time in a short period Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

23 February 2019, 06:39 AM	#16
Oldfellow 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member Join Date: Jun 2018 Location: Australia Posts: 2,195	Congratulations, you made the right choice. They are a great pair, entirely different but compliment each other. I enjoy mine equally.

23 February 2019, 06:45 AM	#17
007_Omega "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: Galaxy Watch: Explorer Posts: 905	I'm also a Sub "No-Date" guy and a Speedy. Almost chose the Explorer I over the Sub but I know 100% that I made the right decision going with the Sub. As much as I like the Explorer, I just don't think it'll end up in my collection. I can't really justify having 3 black sports watches with no date. I've decided to build up my collection with complimentary pieces rather than just going for watches that I like. My next watch has to have a pop of color and a date function. Explorer II fills that niche quite nicely with an added GMT function to boot. Date wasn't really an option for me on the Sub. The aesthetic perfection of a "No-Date" Sub was never going to be beat by the date function. Not to mention my love of Bond probably instilled a bias into me. I may have considered a date if they offered one without the cyclops (no, not the SD4K too thick and way too expensive after being discontinued). Also, you'll see Subs all the time but the "No-Date" is a rare beast indeed and a mark of an enthusiast usually.

23 February 2019, 06:46 AM	#18
dwjez14 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2018 Real Name: Danny Location: Mansfield , Texas Watch: All of them Posts: 2,381	Both both !!

23 February 2019, 07:02 AM	#19
RHIII Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Real Name: Roger Location: ... Watch: AP/Rolex/PP Posts: 6,309	Both. Those are two FANTASTIC watches that can easily co-exist in any collection. Modern versions of true classics! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

23 February 2019, 07:15 AM	#20
Tony1T "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2018 Real Name: Tony Location: Scotland Watch: Rolex & Seiko Posts: 282	Good choice getting both. Im a big fan of the Explorer. __________________ ♛ Rolex GMT II 116710LN ♛ Rolex SUB 116610LN ♛ Rolex EXP II 226570 ♛ Rolex DJ 178240

23 February 2019, 08:15 AM	#21
Zuger "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Real Name: Richard Location: USA Watch: me set the time Posts: 2,520	You have chosen . . . WISELY.

23 February 2019, 08:19 AM	#22
2nastie "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2016 Location: YVR Watch: Time Only Posts: 2,332	Congrats on the pick up bud. I say bye bye Speedy...

23 February 2019, 08:27 AM	#23
JayHantz 2024 ROLEX SUBMARINER 41 Pledge Member Join Date: Jun 2018 Real Name: Jonathan Location: Texas Watch: @Escapementt Posts: 9,844	CONGRATS! I think that’s a killer no date sports combo.

23 February 2019, 08:32 AM	#24
Luciano Oliveira "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2017 Location: 1P/Halley Posts: 118	Congratulations Op, you really made the right choice. Enjoy.

23 February 2019, 08:36 AM	#25
carlhaluss "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Real Name: Carl Location: Vancouver, Canada Watch: Rolex Explorer 1 Posts: 1,780	I think you did the right thing. I currently own an Explorer 1, and have an order for the 114060. Funny thing, I got a call from my AD today, offering me the chance to get the 116610LN Submariner Date. But I decided to wait until they get a 114060. I don't regret turning down the Sub Date, though. I think the Explorer 1 and 114060 are a great combination. Well, I'm in Vancouver as well. So your call for the 114060 gives me some hope that I may get mine fairly soon. Congratulations! Cheers, Carl __________________ Those who possess a sense of entitlement are seldom satisfied.

23 February 2019, 09:02 AM	#26
droptopman "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Real Name: Mark Location: Washington State Watch: SUBS and GMT's! Posts: 9,664	Good choice and congrats! __________________ Judge Smails: Ty, what did you shoot today? Ty: Oh, Judge, I don't keep score. Judge Smails: Then how do you measure yourself with other golfers? Ty: By height.

23 February 2019, 10:19 AM	#30
damoore "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Central US Watch: 14060,SD, Pelagos Posts: 374	I agree to keep both. I had both incl Exp MK II. Ended up with the SD4K flipping the ND Sub. Both watches are awesome and timeless. Actually find I wear my Exp more often with my BB 58 also getting a lot of wrist time. Congrats with your purchase. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

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