GMT II 16710 Stick Dial 23k

[inadeje]

Still rising in price. US now catching up with Europe.

https://www.chrono24.com/en/rolex/gm...US&SETCURR=USD

[173rdabn]

And anyone will buy this WHY? Dumbest price in a while.

[Rolexdate]

Well the end of March to mid April is Tulip season.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[OysterBracelet]

WTF is a stick dial?

[Zakalwe]

Originally Posted by OysterBracelet

WTF is a stick dial?

The “II” in “GMT-Master-II” looks like “ll” - sticks.

Yes, I know.

[Wahlberg]

I wish the people who bought these would post their stories. They have to be on this forum.

I'm not judging anyone, just want to know the thought process.

1. You want something special?
2. Investment piece, more upside than a regular 16710 - where do you think the price will go? To 30-40k?
3. Will you wear it yes/no?
4. Why not something else, something new, something gold, something like AP/PP/VC/ALS/...?

[101031-28]

Originally Posted by OysterBracelet

WTF is a stick dial?

your post made my day

[inadeje]

Originally Posted by 101031-28

your post made my day

Me too

[inadeje]

Originally Posted by OysterBracelet

WTF is a stick dial?

Here you go



As opposed to normal dial with serif on the two II

[Water Wonderland]

As has been stated around here before, often times these stick dials are Rolex service dials. The obsession with them nearly on par with those 16710s with 3186 movements is bizarre. And with that, the jeweler does not even indicate which movement this particular watch has. If it's a 3185, then this asking price is beyond laughable. Clearly looking for an ignorant sucker to come along.

[ashbaug2]

What is the actual likelihood that any of these variations of Subs or GMTs is ACTUALLY "rare"? I'm not much into vintage Rolex, because the certain nuances are kind of ridiculous to me, and there are so many that they're difficult to keep track of. I just think that for something that there were millions made of, there are hundreds of thousands of each; yet people act like the three up for sale at this moment in time are the only three on earth.

Am I missing something?

EDIT: To be clear, I'm not saying I don't like or find a 1675, or 16710, or 5513 appealing... I just don't understand how every little detail can be special. If everything is special, nothing is special, right?

[Fallranger]

Just because it’s listed at that price it doesn’t make it rare. A sucker is born every minute.

[inadeje]

Originally Posted by ashbaug2

What is the actual likelihood that any of these variations of Subs or GMTs is ACTUALLY "rare"? I'm not much into vintage Rolex, because the certain nuances are kind of ridiculous to me, and there are so many that they're difficult to keep track of. I just think that for something that there were millions made of, there are hundreds of thousands of each; yet people act like the three up for sale at this moment in time are the only three on earth.

Am I missing something?

EDIT: To be clear, I'm not saying I don't like or find a 1675, or 16710, or 5513 appealing... I just don't understand how every little detail can be special. If everything is special, nothing is special, right?

There’s a sub pointed crownguard 5512 on the FS section at 79k - just “submariner” normal writing on the dial. A normal 5512, how much? 10-20k? Tiny Nuances but, very sought after, and these watches sell...which is the scary part...

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=666010

[ashbaug2]

Originally Posted by inadeje

There’s a sub pointed crownguard 5512 on the FS section at 79k - just “submariner” normal writing on the dial. A normal 5512, how much? 10-20k? Tiny Nuances but, very sought after, and these watches sell...which is the scary part...

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=666010

Kind of my point... How does anyone know how "rare" these actually are, just because some come up more frequently than others? I get the idea that they are not being made any longer, and therefore rarity is assumed, but honestly, how many PCG 5512s were produced? And why does it command a premium over something like a gilt dial 1675? Just seems crazy to me, that's all. Some people get it, and good for them; it's just confusing to me, which is why I haven't waded into it.

The only real rare pieces I imagine exist out there are things such as the Burford A6538 where only a handful were made. Probably other examples, sure, but I think sometimes we create false rarity to justify prices.

[inadeje]

Originally Posted by ashbaug2

Kind of my point... How does anyone know how "rare" these actually are, just because some come up more frequently than others? I get the idea that they are not being made any longer, and therefore rarity is assumed, but honestly, how many PCG 5512s were produced? And why does it command a premium over something like a gilt dial 1675? Just seems crazy to me, that's all. Some people get it, and good for them; it's just confusing to me, which is why I haven't waded into it.

The only real rare pieces I imagine exist out there are things such as the Burford A6538 where only a handful were made. Probably other examples, sure, but I think sometimes we create false rarity to justify prices.

Agree 100%. Exclusivity can be deemed or factual. Its always subjective.

[skybronco]

The date looks way out of alignment

[joe100]

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. Stick dials are being used as service dials on the 16760 and 16710 by at least one RSC. Held a 16760 stick with my own hands at a local event.

[csaltphoto]

More than a gold sub. Wow.

[DoctorA]

In another thread people are still arguing if there will be a difference in value between the SD43 dial MKI that was produced for one year only and MKII.

And here we see example of stick dial going for over $10K !!!! Crazy Rolex world!!

[Wrist King]

Year 2000-2009. Lazy.

Sent from my SM-G9730 using Tapatalk

[SkyJuice]

If you have the spare cash and really enjoy the exclusiveness... why not?

[ADR1982]

People can ask what they want on Chrono, doesn't mean they are getting anything close to it. I can somewhat understand that a short production run of 3186 on the 16710 demands a slight premium (even this I wouldn't pay) - but just a stick dial? Total nonsense.

Tons of stick dials out there. Including service dials

[Andad]

Originally Posted by Water Wonderland

As has been stated around here before, often times these stick dials are Rolex service dials. The obsession with them nearly on par with those 16710s with 3186 movements is bizarre. And with that, the jeweler does not even indicate which movement this particular watch has. If it's a 3185, then this asking price is beyond laughable. Clearly looking for an ignorant sucker to come along.

A Z9 would likely have a 3186.

[bayerische]

Oh the insanity.

[Jojoshop]

Originally Posted by Zakalwe

The “II” in “GMT-Master-II” looks like “ll” - sticks.

Yes, I know.

Huh!!! - and that does what?

[2th_doc]

Originally Posted by Wahlberg

I wish the people who bought these would post their stories. They have to be on this forum.



I'm not judging anyone, just want to know the thought process.



1. You want something special?

2. Investment piece, more upside than a regular 16710 - where do you think the price will go? To 30-40k?

3. Will you wear it yes/no?

4. Why not something else, something new, something gold, something like AP/PP/VC/ALS/...?

I bought mine from DavidSW in October 2017. When I purchased it there was no mention of it being a “stick dial” on the website. And if I remember correctly I believe I paid ~$8,900. At the time of purchase I thought it was high. But I knew I needed to bite the bullet because they were only going up in price. Mine is a D serial. And DavidSW currently has a D serial (non “stick dial” lol) on his site for $11975. So I’m glad I purchased when I did. It is my favorite watch in my collection. I do have all 3 inserts. And I wear the hell out of it. And I will never sell it.







Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[padi56]

Originally Posted by OysterBracelet

WTF is a stick dial?

A very much internet overhyped thing that once proclaimed if you had a stick dial 16710 it had the cal 3186 inside.But this was not always the case as many had the cal 3185 inside.Then came error dial the internet claimed it was a mistake dial,but in the real world all it was just a simple font change.But today many buy internet hype and today hype forces up prices.But today service dials are mostly stick dials so will be many of those around with the 3185 or 3186 movements.The early 3186 did have a few problems that the 3185 never had but was rectified by Rolex.The main difference over the 3185 with the 3186 is for one complete crown turn the second time zone hand would jump around 5 hours on the 3185, around 8-9 hours on 3186.The main reason Rolex changed to the 3186 was very slightly less gear slack over the 3185.Given the choice of the two movements myself would choose the 3185.

So called stick,error,mistake dial, top image.

[Dsmith1974]

Originally Posted by Water Wonderland

Clearly looking for an ignorant sucker to come along.

Shut up and take my money!

23K is a bit steep, but I did say that the 16710 would soon leap-frog the Daytona.

[Ian Macdermott]

Originally Posted by skybronco

The date looks way out of alignment

Worth even more then

[Frakis]

Originally Posted by padi56

So called stick,error,mistake dial, top image.

The bottom picture illustrates a “Rectangular“ dial which also has the dash off- centered. Technically, there are two nuances (font changes) on this dial. I have seen less of the rectangular dials than the stick dial.