Stem cell therapy for chronc pain?

[gmh1013]

One of the nurses from a dr. i see said her husband was having horrible hip pain and tried this and like "magic" he was playing golf again in 6 weeks!
no surgery etc......anybody had this?

[steve099]

subscribed. very interested in this topic.

[THC]

Was it an injection, surgery, etc?

I too am intrigued, but need more detail of what he had done

[milov]

Be cautious... there is a lot of misinformation out there. For example, I doubt the second hand information you heard about even involved stem cell therapy. And most important... anecdotal evidence is not the same as a proof of effectiveness.

[gmh1013]

https://www.renovaremed.com/?gclid=C...hoCFxUQAvD_BwE


And guys we are talking some major bucks here......but for me i would give every dime i have to be pain free again....she told me it cost them 30-35k but i will gladly pay it if it works. When I go back in next friday will try and get more info from her.

[milov]

FDA (USA) report:

https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consum...cell-therapies

[Dr.Brian]

I would not trust the reports of single patients, or group of patients. If it is a valid treatment, solid research will support the practice. I’m not aware of that research, but it may exist. Chronic pain is like cancer, people are all too willing to try unproven expensive treatments that physicians of questionable character are happy to offer them at great cost and with no guarantees.

[milov]

Originally Posted by gmh1013

https://www.renovaremed.com/?gclid=C...hoCFxUQAvD_BwE


And guys we are talking some major bucks here......but for me i would give every dime i have to be pain free again....she told me it cost them 30-35k but i will gladly pay it if it works. When I go back in next friday will try and get more info from her.

Is your pain arthritic?

[Xelorpepsi]

I recently sold a Daytona here (thanks again for the space) to help finance a stem cell therapy. Not sure if people can really jump around only after six weeks and there are lots of fake promises, but in the case of my relative, it has helped him recover faster from a pretty nasty cancer. Doesn't mean everything is sorted, just that it has helped physically and maybe even more importantly psychologically.

Really surprised by the cost mentioned above, because this is still a complex process with bills in excess of $200k, but treatments tend to be more expensive when you have solid tumour cancers.

[gmh1013]

Originally Posted by Dr.Brian

I would not trust the reports of single patients, or group of patients. If it is a valid treatment, solid research will support the practice. I’m not aware of that research, but it may exist. Chronic pain is like cancer, people are all too willing to try unproven expensive treatments that physicians of questionable character are happy to offer them at great cost and with no guarantees.

You just popped my balloon....i knew it sounded to good be true when she told me...but being a RN i thought it may have some validity to it.

[gmh1013]

Originally Posted by Xelorpepsi

I recently sold a Daytona here (thanks again for the space) to help finance a stem cell therapy. Not sure if people can really jump around only after six weeks and there are lots of fake promises, but in the case of my relative, it has helped him recover faster from a pretty nasty cancer. Doesn't mean everything is sorted, just that it has helped physically and maybe even more importantly psychologically.

Really surprised by the cost mentioned above, because this is still a complex process with bills in excess of $200k, but treatments tend to be more expensive when you have solid tumour cancers.

I wondered do they accept insurance etc?.....I have no idea what they did ..she told me in 3 mins....while waiting on the doc.

[Xelorpepsi]

It was definitely not covered by an insurance and as said by Dr.Brian, the psychological impact is most likely greater than the physical one. That being said, he is still alive and the morale boost was such, that it was (in my view) worth it!

[herts9]

efficacy in an isolated case is not indicative to successful treatment. from the clinical study/drug development background, there are therapies and investigational products on the horizon, but are not advanced far enough to where we need to be. and what works for somebody else, may have differing results on you.

have you tried the CBD route yet?

[gmh1013]

Originally Posted by herts9

efficacy in an isolated case is not indicative to successful treatment. from the clinical study/drug development background, there are therapies and investigational products on the horizon, but are not advanced far enough to where we need to be. and what works for somebody else, may have differing results on you.

have you tried the CBD route yet?

No...guess it would not hurt since its the latest craze....I would piss on a electric fence if i thought it would me with pain.

[gmh1013]

I got so caught up in this....i called my doc to speak to his nurse....this lady is late 50's and says she wants to retire very soon in my chatting with her....i know she was a surgical nurse for years but had to slow down because her husband was in poor health.
She called me back and her words were "The FDA is soooo corrupt as most Fed and Pharma agencies ....they try and hold back research in SCT .....its big biz and billions would be lost if SCT became main stream. All I can say is it worked for my husband ....and true it might not work for another patient.

[Dr.Brian]

Big pharma can make money on anything.
My hospital developed a novel and expensive custom cancer treatment, proved its utility, started a separate company to support and continue to develop it with outside and internal investors, and recently sold it to a bigger company for over 4 billion dollars. If they spent $4B it’s because they think it’s worth $8B.

[JasoninDenver]

One friend tried it to the tune of $50,000 for chronic back pain. It worked for a few weeks, probably due to a combination of anesthetic injections at the time and then more fluid around the joint space. His pain gradually returned over the next 4-6 weeks. His doctor said “you got relief so let’s keep doing it.” After three rounds, he realized it was just a scam as the doctor kept wanting to repeat even though he was not seeing any lasting relief.

It was recommended to me for mild knee arthritis. After reviewing the available literature, I concluded it would not be efficacious. Even after reviewing internet forums posts on the subject, it appeared to me as though for every one positive experience, there were 3-4 people reporting no relief. After this, I elected to try PRP therapy, which my doctor said was anecdotally effective in his patients (whereas he was clear that stem cell was NOT). It gave me zero long term benefit.

[gmh1013]

Originally Posted by JasoninDenver

One friend tried it to the tune of $50,000 for chronic back pain. It worked for a few weeks, probably due to a combination of anesthetic injections at the time and then more fluid around the joint space. His pain gradually returned over the next 4-6 weeks. His doctor said “you got relief so let’s keep doing it.” After three rounds, he realized it was just a scam as the doctor kept wanting to repeat even though he was not seeing any lasting relief.

It was recommended to me for mild knee arthritis. After reviewing the available literature, I concluded it would not be efficacious. Even after reviewing internet forums posts on the subject, it appeared to me as though for every one positive experience, there were 3-4 people reporting no relief. After this, I elected to try PRP therapy, which my doctor said was anecdotally effective in his patients (whereas he was clear that stem cell was NOT). It gave me zero long term benefit.

I was told about the PRP treatment last year and looked into it....reading forums on it....yes it seemed it would offer some pain relief in 1 out 3 or so patients...it was expensive so i passed on it. I remember watching something Mel Gibson was doing for his father cant remember if it was stem cell or prp but did work for his father.

[gmh1013]

He was my FDA answer...
Good Morning Gregory,



Thank you for your question. My name is Stephanie I am the Nurse practitioner here at Renovare.

We are FDA approved to repair, cushion, replace, restore and protect. Meaning that process is taking place in a joint during an intra-articular injection of Wharton’s jelly.

[tudorbaja27]

Originally Posted by Dr.Brian

I would not trust the reports of single patients, or group of patients. If it is a valid treatment, solid research will support the practice. I’m not aware of that research, but it may exist. Chronic pain is like cancer, people are all too willing to try unproven expensive treatments that physicians of questionable character are happy to offer them at great cost and with no guarantees.

[Dr.Brian]

Originally Posted by gmh1013

He was my FDA answer...
Good Morning Gregory,



Thank you for your question. My name is Stephanie I am the Nurse practitioner here at Renovare.

We are FDA approved to repair, cushion, replace, restore and protect. Meaning that process is taking place in a joint during an intra-articular injection of Wharton’s jelly.

That tells you all you need to know right there. Currently, the only stem cell therapies approved by the FDA use cells from bone marrow or cord blood to treat cancers of the blood and bone marrow. If they are marketing it that way I believe they are breaking the law.
Ask them for the notice of FDA approval of that drug for that indication. There may be human research going on, it that’s far from FDA approval. And it doesn’t sound like they are signing you up for a legitimate clinical trial. A clinical trial would be free to you and conducted by the drug company.
https://www.fda.gov/news-events/pres...ients-risk-and

[gmh1013]

Originally Posted by Dr.Brian

That tells you all you need to know right there. Currently, the only stem cell therapies approved by the FDA use cells from bone marrow or cord blood to treat cancers of the blood and bone marrow. If they are marketing it that way I believe they are breaking the law.
Ask them for the notice of FDA approval of that drug for that indication. There may be human research going on, it that’s far from FDA approval. And it doesn’t sound like they are signing you up for a legitimate clinical trial. A clinical trial would be free to you and conducted by the drug company.
https://www.fda.gov/news-events/pres...ients-risk-and

Thank you sir!....Being a doctor your input is indisputable....

[Dr.Brian]

Originally Posted by gmh1013

Thank you sir!....Being a doctor your input is indisputable....

Anytime. If they have newer information, I’m sure they’d be bending over backwards to provide it to you. My wife works in the medical device field and if they were using and/or marketing a product as FDA approved when it was not, they would be annihilated. They can’t even really talk about next generation products that are finished and going through the FDA process. Just generalizations and maybe a guesstimate timeline. We are putting off a major investment at work because we are patiently waiting for a next generation anesthesia machine. As we are not part of the development team, we don’t know much about it. Having said that, we may partner with them to try a few when they are FDA approved.
This stem cell tech may work for some, as does the placebo effect, but if it’s not covered by insurance and not FDA approved (or off label use) be very careful.
Good luck.


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[Fleetlord]

One of my close allies tried it for his hips. Two rounds of injections.

The result?

0.0% relief.

Complete and total fail.

Don't bother with it.

[gmh1013]

Originally Posted by Dr.Brian

That tells you all you need to know right there. Currently, the only stem cell therapies approved by the FDA use cells from bone marrow or cord blood to treat cancers of the blood and bone marrow. If they are marketing it that way I believe they are breaking the law.
Ask them for the notice of FDA approval of that drug for that indication. There may be human research going on, it that’s far from FDA approval. And it doesn’t sound like they are signing you up for a legitimate clinical trial. A clinical trial would be free to you and conducted by the drug company.
https://www.fda.gov/news-events/pres...ients-risk-and

Thank you sir!....Being a doctor your input is indisputable....

[Johngalt1]

Originally Posted by gmh1013

He was my FDA answer...
Good Morning Gregory,



Thank you for your question. My name is Stephanie I am the Nurse practitioner here at Renovare.

We are FDA approved to repair, cushion, replace, restore and protect. Meaning that process is taking place in a joint during an intra-articular injection of Wharton’s jelly.

My area of expertise is device and drug regulation. The statement about from them doesn’t make sense.

[Johngalt1]

Originally Posted by Dr.Brian

Anytime. If they have newer information, I’m sure they’d be bending over backwards to provide it to you. My wife works in the medical device field and if they were using and/or marketing a product as FDA approved when it was not, they would be annihilated. They can’t even really talk about next generation products that are finished and going through the FDA process. Just generalizations and maybe a guesstimate timeline. We are putting off a major investment at work because we are patiently waiting for a next generation anesthesia machine. As we are not part of the development team, we don’t know much about it. Having said that, we may partner with them to try a few when they are FDA approved.
This stem cell tech may work for some, as does the placebo effect, but if it’s not covered by insurance and not FDA approved (or off label use) be very careful.
Good luck.


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Lots of companies take huge liberties here - particularly small ones. On the device side, enforcement teams have very little resources and focus on larger companies or smaller companies that present a major public health risk.

[PeqFB]

I looked into this a few years ago and it didn't seem like a guarantee or viable option for me. I believe this will be the wave of the future but they are still at least 10 years away from having it down pat.

[ttomczak]

Originally Posted by JasoninDenver

One friend tried it to the tune of $50,000 for chronic back pain. It worked for a few weeks, probably due to a combination of anesthetic injections at the time and then more fluid around the joint space. His pain gradually returned over the next 4-6 weeks. His doctor said “you got relief so let’s keep doing it.” After three rounds, he realized it was just a scam as the doctor kept wanting to repeat even though he was not seeing any lasting relief.

It was recommended to me for mild knee arthritis. After reviewing the available literature, I concluded it would not be efficacious. Even after reviewing internet forums posts on the subject, it appeared to me as though for every one positive experience, there were 3-4 people reporting no relief. After this, I elected to try PRP therapy, which my doctor said was anecdotally effective in his patients (whereas he was clear that stem cell was NOT). It gave me zero long term benefit.

I tore/strained both Achilles while moving, my orthopedic doctor recommended PRP to help with healing... 400 bucks later, nothing really... Physical therapy has been much more helpful.

YMMV.

[herts9]

I'm on the CRO side. The phases of development are arduous, tedious, and costly.

See if there's anything in your area that you may be eligible to participate in: clinicaltrials.gov