Worth buying Submariner date? / HULK discontinue in 2020

[09t]

I was able to get a submariner date from my AD, delivery will be in couple of months but wanted to get an idea how will the value hold up for this watch if a new submariner line is introduced in 2020. I initially wanted a hulk but my AD said its impossible this year but next year if they continue making it then they can help me. So I have a feeling a new hulk is coming in 2020

[Nairn1980]

Originally Posted by 09t

I was able to get a submariner date from my AD, delivery will be in couple of months but wanted to get an idea how will the value hold up for this watch if a new submariner line is introduced in 2020. I initially wanted a hulk but my AD said its impossible this year but next year if they continue making it then they can help me. So I have a feeling a new hulk is coming in 2020

Don’t over analyze it.
No one knows what will happen next year, and as they say “a bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush”

[Harry-57]

Your watch will be worthless this time next year. As an act of generosity and compassion I will buy it from you now at MSRP, if it is unmarked. Please post photos.

[3sheets86]

Whether they discontinue it, just add the new movement or do a complete cosmetic overhaul it probably won't affect prices drastically as you still won't be able to buy a new model easily at retail. The only thing that will end this madness is if Rolex start making them readily available again which I don't think that they will.

[delboylee]

Doubt it will be discontinued, just rumours.

[locutus49]

The last time a change to Subs happened, it was the Smurf that debuted, and only several years later did the Hulk appear.

Originally Posted by 09t

I was able to get a submariner date from my AD, delivery will be in couple of months but wanted to get an idea how will the value hold up for this watch if a new submariner line is introduced in 2020. I initially wanted a hulk but my AD said its impossible this year but next year if they continue making it then they can help me. So I have a feeling a new hulk is coming in 2020

[kauffee]

When the Sub is updated my guess is it will just be the movement. For everyone hoping for slimmer lugs or a return to a more 5-digit design, I don’t see it. The last two years Rolex has shown they are committed to the super case design with the newest GMTs. While it’s certainly possible they will move the Sub cases in a different direction from the GMTs, I don’t see it.

[Dougiebaby]

Originally Posted by kauffee

When the Sub is updated my guess is it will just be the movement. For everyone hoping for slimmer lugs or a return to a more 5-digit design, I don’t see it. The last two years Rolex has shown they are committed to the super case design with the newest GMTs. While it’s certainly possible they will move the Sub cases in a different direction from the GMTs, I don’t see it.

Rolex is obviously trying to differentiate GMT from Sub by making the GMT more “elegant” (slightly slimmer case and jubilee).

A new Sub may actually become bigger looking at the new YM42 and SD43. A 41 or 42mm Sub would not surprise me.


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[djgallo]

Originally Posted by Dougiebaby

Rolex is obviously trying to differentiate GMT from Sub by making the GMT more “elegant” (slightly slimmer case and jubilee).

A new Sub may actually become bigger looking at the new YM42 and SD43. A 41 or 42mm Sub would not surprise me.


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I agree. I think the sub will get bigger.

[mattsrs]

Originally Posted by Dougiebaby

Rolex is obviously trying to differentiate GMT from Sub by making the GMT more “elegant” (slightly slimmer case and jubilee).

A new Sub may actually become bigger looking at the new YM42 and SD43. A 41 or 42mm Sub would not surprise me.


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I second this. I think it will look like WG YM42 but in steel with brushed case and ceramic bezel.

[siempreko]

I would suggest that you go ahead and assume that your new watch will lose value, regardless of if/when a new model is released. Do not make any watch purchases, based on increasing or decreasing valued. Wrist watches are not close to being a secure investment vehicle.

[djgallo]

Originally Posted by siempreko

I would suggest that you go ahead and assume that your new watch will lose value, regardless of if/when a new model is released. Do not make any watch purchases, based on increasing or decreasing valued. Wrist watches are not close to being a secure investment vehicle.

Does that include the Paul Newman Daytonas?

[broham84]

Originally Posted by 09t

I was able to get a submariner date from my AD, delivery will be in couple of months but wanted to get an idea how will the value hold up for this watch if a new submariner line is introduced in 2020. I initially wanted a hulk but my AD said its impossible this year but next year if they continue making it then they can help me. So I have a feeling a new hulk is coming in 2020

So you haven't gotten the watch yet? You're worried about the next hulk? Even if the new hulk is coming out next year, where do you think you'll be on that list?

[JR16]

If you like the current SubC, then don’t worry about it - get it and enjoy it.
Nobody, including ADs know what 2020 holds.
As far as the sub going larger than 40mm? When pigs fly...


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[RJRJRJ]

I don't think the Hulk will get a new movement. I think it will be similar to the GMT LN and just get discontinued; no idea when that will be though.
Next year I can foresee the Sub LN getting the 3235 with no other changes.

[djgallo]

Originally Posted by JR16

As far as the sub going larger than 40mm? When pigs fly...


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Thats exactly what most thought about the Sea Dweller.....and what happened?

[brmeyers]

My guess is a Submariner update too, but like others mention,
no one knows. Rolex keeps everything so secretive up until Basel.

But 2020 is a new decade, and the Submariner such a historic Rolex...
Seems only fitting Submariner is up for a refresh in 2020.
Exactly what happens, it will be fun to witness.

[rossi46]

Originally Posted by 09t

I was able to get a submariner date from my AD, delivery will be in couple of months but wanted to get an idea how will the value hold up for this watch if a new submariner line is introduced in 2020. I initially wanted a hulk but my AD said its impossible this year but next year if they continue making it then they can help me. So I have a feeling a new hulk is coming in 2020

Welcome to TRF

If the watch isn't on your wrist right now, then you didn't get it. Way too many people think by dropping a deposit or by getting their name on a "list" or even being given some fake "receipt" they have a watch. That's not the case.

Secondly, why are you even worried about the "value" of the watch? Are you a dealer of some type? Do you manage a P&L based on the "value" of your jewelry? Watches are meant to be worn and enjoyed, not placed into a vault while we track their "value."

Since this is your first post I know nothing about you or your ability to have insider knowledge of what Rolex has plans for. That said, $4 and your "feeling" about a new Hulk coming out will get you a decent cup of joe in most coffee houses.

[Jabbo84]

......I to believe a 42 mm sub is coming.

[bp1000]

Nobody knows anything until it happens

Apart from maybe 5 people at Rolex

[AK797]

First post and its a money question.

[vicsdca]

My prediction:

If the new Submariner remains at 40mm but with thinner lugs, then it will be the best Sub to date. The maxi case will quickly be buried and forgotten. Price will go down significantly.

However, if the new Sub gets bigger (42mm), the current 6-digit models will go up in price.


On a side note, Rolex made the lugs thinner on the new 2019 DateJust, which I think shows they have been listening to the criticism and might do the same for the Sub.

[Ballzzz]

Def worth ALOT less, I wouldn’t buy it. The new Hublot is more ya style.

[Explorer2polar]

My 2 cents ...........Sub will "Only" be updated with a new Movement.

Expect no other major changes.

Explorer 2 will also receive new GMT movement, but largely/totally remain unchanged.

Rolex must make more cost effective Movements that will improve productivity to satisfy demand.

[JR16]

Originally Posted by djgallo

Thats exactly what most thought about the Sea Dweller.....and what happened?

I never thought that about the SD and think making it bigger was a great move for Rolex to differentiate it from the Sub, which will always stay at 40... but I don’t work for Rolex, so true, nobody knows. Enjoy the weekend


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[RJRJRJ]

Originally Posted by vicsdca

My prediction:

If the new Submariner remains at 40mm but with thinner lugs, then it will be the best Sub to date. The maxi case will quickly be buried and forgotten. Price will go down significantly.

However, if the new Sub gets bigger (42mm), the current 6-digit models will go up in price.


On a side note, Rolex made the lugs thinner on the new 2019 DateJust, which I think shows they have been listening to the criticism and might do the same for the Sub.

I disagree about the maxi case. It's only our TRF echo chamber and people like us who even know what that is or don't like it. They may change the case profile at some point, but it won't be because of some widespread hate of it.

[locutus49]

Going back in time and picking one of the few watches out of thousands that gained in value is a fallacy called cherry-picking. Your logic is flawed.

Originally Posted by djgallo

Does that include the Paul Newman Daytonas?

[Rado63]

Originally Posted by rossi46

Welcome to TRF

If the watch isn't on your wrist right now, then you didn't get it. Way too many people think by dropping a deposit or by getting their name on a "list" or even being given some fake "receipt" they have a watch. That's not the case.

Secondly, why are you even worried about the "value" of the watch? Are you a dealer of some type? Do you manage a P&L based on the "value" of your jewelry? Watches are meant to be worn and enjoyed, not placed into a vault while we track their "value."

Since this is your first post I know nothing about you or your ability to have insider knowledge of what Rolex has plans for. That said, $4 and your "feeling" about a new Hulk coming out will get you a decent cup of joe in most coffee houses.

Yes , what rossi46 said was good information! Also I might add, I don't find many 116610 LN for sale at a price below current MSRP of $8550. Considering 16610 came to market in 2010, that's holding.

[djyolky]

Originally Posted by RJRJRJ

I disagree about the maxi case. It's only our TRF echo chamber and people like us who even know what that is or don't like it. They may change the case profile at some point, but it won't be because of some widespread hate of it.

Super case, not Maxi case. Yes, I'm part of the grammar police. You've been let off with a warning. Have a nice day.

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[swils8610]

Does anyone buy a Rolex to wear and not worry about value? Buy what you like and wear it...if you want an investment Rolex, buy one and put it away for 30 years unworn and hope for the best.


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