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Sublovin · 8 February 2020, 01:49 AM

Interesting new episode. He said a couple things that I found interesting. When speaking about his drsd, he says it was his favorite watch, but that he sold it. He then goes on to say he sold it at the right time.
Acknowledgement that the market is silly, and that it peaked and is on the way back to reality? I would say so....Not that this guy is an authority, but interesting to hear that in a talking watches episode.
It will be refreshing when this whole thing corrects and people are back to talking about Rolex as collectors who enjoy them, and not as investors who view them as a commodity.
Still think this series has been trying too hard. Not quite what it used to be.

Rolexfellow · 8 February 2020, 02:30 AM

Who the heck is Josh Bernstein?

Sublovin · 8 February 2020, 02:32 AM

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Who the heck is Josh Bernstein?

Right

franktehtank · 8 February 2020, 03:24 AM

They need to recover from that "enthusiast" woman who just showed all the watches her ex boyfriends had bought her. Did some irrepairable damage there.

Unfortunately, there's only so many John Mayer type passionate collectors out there.

ronricks · 8 February 2020, 03:33 AM

Have no clue who Josh Bernstein is but the watch market isn't likely to change unless the stock market or jobs market (or both) correct by 15%. I don't see that happening in 2020. I don't think 2020 is going to be much different than 2019 especially for SS sport Rolex.

JSolution · 8 February 2020, 03:41 AM

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Originally Posted by ronricks

Have no clue who Josh Bernstein is but the watch market isn't likely to change unless the stock market or jobs market (or both) correct by 15%. I don't see that happening in 2020. I don't think 2020 is going to be much different than 2019 especially for SS sport Rolex.

How does the stock market effect the luxury watch market ?

Crazy Lugs · 8 February 2020, 04:07 AM

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How does the stock market effect the luxury watch market ?

Tech bro’s and filthy rich finance guys have money to spend, dude.

RHIII · 8 February 2020, 04:15 AM

I think it is just a variable reality — the watch market that is. Until demand shifts - and shifts greatly. (By at least an order of magnitude) nothing will change. And honestly - a sting economic situation and stability is more important in my mind.

Having said that - I think it will somewhat ‘correct’ in this new year and that I some watches — such as Subs and GMTs and a few others across some manufacturers will become a little more available. But others - Daytonas, Nautilus (5711s), RO Jumbos - will become more scarce. And really serve as the cornerstone for these manufacturers.

Just my .02

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mgsooner · 8 February 2020, 04:19 AM

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Originally Posted by franktehtank

Unfortunately, there's only so many John Mayer type passionate collectors out there.

Frankly the best "episodes" of Talking Watches are the ones that don't feature some sort of celebrity/personality/Ultra Wealthy Person showing off their vintage Rolex collection. That path has been tread so many times now it has become redundant.

Heck at this point I'm just begging them to have someone on that says "you know what, I'm not really into vintage, here's all my six digits!" Would be a breath of fresh air.

JParm · 8 February 2020, 04:23 AM

I actually liked this episode; interesting dude with some interesting stories vs. just "hey this is expensive and well-known, so I got it".

mgsooner · 8 February 2020, 04:29 AM

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I actually liked this episode; interesting dude with some interesting stories vs. just "hey this is expensive and well-known, so I got it".

Yeah, I thought this one was okay.

R3Dprius · 8 February 2020, 04:44 AM

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Originally Posted by franktehtank

They need to recover from that "enthusiast" woman who just showed all the watches her ex boyfriends had bought her. Did some irrepairable damage there.

Unfortunately, there's only so many John Mayer type passionate collectors out there.

I made a comment on HODINKEE about how her sentiment for watches fell flat for me because of the boyfriends throwing $15k+ watches at her and received a bunch of hateful comments lol. “She’s a collector, she disses having non-factory diamonds added” was part of an actual response I received.

Thuilln · 8 February 2020, 04:57 AM

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Originally Posted by mgsooner

Frankly the best "episodes" of Talking Watches are the ones that don't feature some sort of celebrity/personality/Ultra Wealthy Person showing off their vintage Rolex collection. That path has been tread so many times now it has become redundant.

Heck at this point I'm just begging them to have someone on that says "you know what, I'm not really into vintage, here's all my six digits!" Would be a breath of fresh air.

I agree. Frankly I don’t get the hype about John Mayer. He’s nothing more than a rich dude who can afford whatever he wants it terms of horology. Not my type of collector. I never heard any of his songs and I bet I would find it as boring as the guy.

On the other hand I enjoyed episodes with the Vet from Vietnam with his Tudor, or the one with the Russian American writer. Way better than the celebrity pissing contest with Gold and Diamonds AP and Daytonas..

escobar144 · 8 February 2020, 05:05 AM

I really like those talking watches episodes that Hodinkee puts out. But ill be honest they need to do a better selection in people they choose for these episodes. Bethany Frankel was straight up horrible. I liked Aziz Ansaris and Praz from the fugees though. They should try and get more entertainers/comedians instead of random enthusiasts. GQ puts out those "10 things I cant live without" videos and usually the guest will pull out a roll of watches which is pretty cool.

Bluepilot15 · 8 February 2020, 05:10 AM

I listened to John Mayer talk about guitars at The Crossroads Guitar Festival in Dallas. The big take away from listening to John Mayer is that he really likes to talk about John Mayer! The man is president of his own fan club.

JParm · 8 February 2020, 05:13 AM

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Originally Posted by escobar144

I really like those talking watches episodes that Hodinkee puts out. But ill be honest they need to do a better selection in people they choose for these episodes. Bethany Frankel was straight up horrible. I liked Aziz Ansaris and Praz from the fugees though. They should try and get more entertainers/comedians instead of random enthusiasts. GQ puts out those "10 things I cant live without" videos and usually the guest will pull out a roll of watches which is pretty cool.

It's 2 different audiences, right? You want to see what entertainers wear, go to GQ - they already have what you need.

For others (like me), the person doesn't need to be famous, as long as they have compelling stories to tell.

mgsooner · 8 February 2020, 05:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Thuilln

On the other hand I enjoyed episodes with the Vet from Vietnam with his Tudor, or the one with the Russian American writer. Way better than the celebrity pissing contest with Gold and Diamonds AP and Daytonas..

Those are definitely two that stick out to me also from recent memory. They also had one for Hodinkee Japan recently that I enjoyed a lot. A vintage collector but all dress watches and from a wide variety of brands. It was something off the beaten path told from a different perspective.

escobar144 · 8 February 2020, 05:20 AM

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Originally Posted by [email protected]

It's 2 different audiences, right? You want to see what entertainers wear, go to GQ - they already have what you need.

For others (like me), the person doesn't need to be famous, as long as they have compelling stories to tell.

Fair Enough

JParm · 8 February 2020, 05:21 AM

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Fair Enough

ronricks · 8 February 2020, 05:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Crazy Lugs

Tech bro’s and filthy rich finance guys have money to spend, dude.

Exactly.

franktehtank · 8 February 2020, 05:56 AM

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Originally Posted by R3Dprius

I made a comment on HODINKEE about how her sentiment for watches fell flat for me because of the boyfriends throwing $15k+ watches at her and received a bunch of hateful comments lol. “She’s a collector, she disses having non-factory diamonds added” was part of an actual response I received.

Haha! Youtube comments. There's just no point in wading into that filth! They won't see reason.

R3Dprius · 8 February 2020, 05:58 AM

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Originally Posted by franktehtank

Haha! Youtube comments. There's just no point in wading into that filth! They won't see reason.

It was actually on the HODINKEE site itself. Not that I care, but I received a good amount of likes on it as well.

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franktehtank · 8 February 2020, 06:06 AM

I actually quite enjoyed the John Mayer episodes. The guy is clearly a narcissist, and sometimes he goes on these rambly tangents that just reek of complete bull. But I can never doubt that the guy is an enthusiast and hopeless watch nut, and has been collecting for many years.

I find that the quality of the Talking Watches segment usually correlates with how long the individual has been collecting, and not what specific references or even how many pieces the individual has in their collection. Dollar value not important. The longer the time period they've taken to put the collection together, the more thoughtful and interesting it usually is. There's actual meaningful stories behind many of the pieces. Being famous or not has no effect on this.

When someone says "I got into watches a couple years ago" and they proceed to have a horde of hot reference watches or collectable vintage Rolex/Patek, basically everything that the collector community AGREES is desirable, then I find those videos bland. The person usually has too much money and not enough imagination.

The veteran with the old vintage Tudor subs was one of my favourites.

Brew · 8 February 2020, 06:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Bluepilot15

I listened to John Mayer talk about guitars at The Crossroads Guitar Festival in Dallas. The big take away from listening to John Mayer is that he really likes to talk about John Mayer! The man is president of his own fan club.

He would probably be the first person in line to agree with you. He admitted to being an ego addict, or some such. Went to ego addict rehab, supposedly.

jb335 · 8 February 2020, 06:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Thuilln

I agree. Frankly I don’t get the hype about John Mayer. He’s nothing more than a rich dude who can afford whatever he wants it terms of horology. Not my type of collector. I never heard any of his songs and I bet I would find it as boring as the guy.

On the other hand I enjoyed episodes with the Vet from Vietnam with his Tudor, or the one with the Russian American writer. Way better than the celebrity pissing contest with Gold and Diamonds AP and Daytonas..

FWIW, John Mayer is anything but boring. Not everyone likes his personality but the dude is sharp and can talk intelligently about many subjects. I don't care for his music and I have called him douchey more than once, but the man ain't boring.

djgallo · 8 February 2020, 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by ronricks

Have no clue who Josh Bernstein is but the watch market isn't likely to change unless the stock market or jobs market (or both) correct by 15%. I don't see that happening in 2020. I don't think 2020 is going to be much different than 2019 especially for SS sport Rolex.

15%... thats just a little more than a normal 10% correction....it would have to correct more than that to effect luxury goods....tell me 40% or more and I’ll believe you....

Sublovin · 8 February 2020, 06:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Thuilln

I agree. Frankly I don’t get the hype about John Mayer. He’s nothing more than a rich dude who can afford whatever he wants it terms of horology. Not my type of collector. I never heard any of his songs and I bet I would find it as boring as the guy.

On the other hand I enjoyed episodes with the Vet from Vietnam with his Tudor, or the one with the Russian American writer. Way better than the celebrity pissing contest with Gold and Diamonds AP and Daytonas..

Couldn’t disagree more here. In many cases celebrities imitate collectors by just throwing money around. Like him or not, John Mayer is passionate about collecting. He certainly doesn’t need the money, and I actually appreciate his perspective much more than many “grey” dealers or collectors who have their life savings tied up in watches. Their opinions can be very self serving.

R3Dprius · 8 February 2020, 06:50 AM

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Originally Posted by franktehtank

Haha! Youtube comments. There's just no point in wading into that filth! They won't see reason.

I actually made my comments on he HODINKEE app where I watch the videos. Out of curiosity I checked out the YouTube video and all of the top comments are resoundingly negative. Funny how the HODINKEE app comments were in support of the talking watches.

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joli160 · 8 February 2020, 07:41 AM

Hodinkee is just one big boring commercial, never you see some article or interview whereby somebody says he doesn't like watch X.
Sounds all the same, 13 in a dozen

Speed · 8 February 2020, 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by franktehtank

Unfortunately, there's only so many John Mayer type passionate collectors out there.

I'd say fortunately...

Not a fan of John Mayer.

8 February 2020, 01:49 AM	#1
Sublovin 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: USA Watch: Lots Posts: 4,595	Talking Watches Josh Bernstein Interesting new episode. He said a couple things that I found interesting. When speaking about his drsd, he says it was his favorite watch, but that he sold it. He then goes on to say he sold it at the right time. Acknowledgement that the market is silly, and that it peaked and is on the way back to reality? I would say so....Not that this guy is an authority, but interesting to hear that in a talking watches episode. It will be refreshing when this whole thing corrects and people are back to talking about Rolex as collectors who enjoy them, and not as investors who view them as a commodity. Still think this series has been trying too hard. Not quite what it used to be. __________________ DSSD is the king of all Rolex

8 February 2020, 04:23 AM	#10
JParm 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: NorCal Watch: Yes! Posts: 6,568	I actually liked this episode; interesting dude with some interesting stories vs. just "hey this is expensive and well-known, so I got it". __________________

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joli160 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: NL Watch: Yachtmaster Posts: 14,759	Hodinkee is just one big boring commercial, never you see some article or interview whereby somebody says he doesn't like watch X. Sounds all the same, 13 in a dozen __________________ Day Date 18238, Yachtmaster 16622, Deepsea 116660, Submariner 116619, SkyD 326935, DJ 178271, DJ 69158, Yachtmaster 169622, GMT 116713LN, GMT 126711.

8 February 2020, 02:30 AM	#2
Rolexfellow Banned Join Date: Jan 2020 Location: Florida Posts: 65	Who the heck is Josh Bernstein?

8 February 2020, 03:24 AM	#4
franktehtank "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2016 Location: Canada Watch: Sub, GMT Posts: 712	They need to recover from that "enthusiast" woman who just showed all the watches her ex boyfriends had bought her. Did some irrepairable damage there. Unfortunately, there's only so many John Mayer type passionate collectors out there.

8 February 2020, 03:33 AM	#5
ronricks 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: ATL Watch: 126610LV Posts: 2,752	Have no clue who Josh Bernstein is but the watch market isn't likely to change unless the stock market or jobs market (or both) correct by 15%. I don't see that happening in 2020. I don't think 2020 is going to be much different than 2019 especially for SS sport Rolex.

8 February 2020, 04:15 AM	#8
RHIII Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Real Name: Roger Location: ... Watch: AP/Rolex/PP Posts: 6,309	I think it is just a variable reality — the watch market that is. Until demand shifts - and shifts greatly. (By at least an order of magnitude) nothing will change. And honestly - a sting economic situation and stability is more important in my mind. Having said that - I think it will somewhat ‘correct’ in this new year and that I some watches — such as Subs and GMTs and a few others across some manufacturers will become a little more available. But others - Daytonas, Nautilus (5711s), RO Jumbos - will become more scarce. And really serve as the cornerstone for these manufacturers. Just my .02 Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

8 February 2020, 05:05 AM	#14
escobar144 Banned Join Date: Mar 2019 Location: LA Watch: Submariner/DJ 41 Posts: 506	I really like those talking watches episodes that Hodinkee puts out. But ill be honest they need to do a better selection in people they choose for these episodes. Bethany Frankel was straight up horrible. I liked Aziz Ansaris and Praz from the fugees though. They should try and get more entertainers/comedians instead of random enthusiasts. GQ puts out those "10 things I cant live without" videos and usually the guest will pull out a roll of watches which is pretty cool.

8 February 2020, 05:10 AM	#15
Bluepilot15 "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2018 Real Name: Troy Location: NH Watch: 16710A Posts: 151	I listened to John Mayer talk about guitars at The Crossroads Guitar Festival in Dallas. The big take away from listening to John Mayer is that he really likes to talk about John Mayer! The man is president of his own fan club.

8 February 2020, 06:06 AM	#23
franktehtank "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2016 Location: Canada Watch: Sub, GMT Posts: 712	I actually quite enjoyed the John Mayer episodes. The guy is clearly a narcissist, and sometimes he goes on these rambly tangents that just reek of complete bull. But I can never doubt that the guy is an enthusiast and hopeless watch nut, and has been collecting for many years. I find that the quality of the Talking Watches segment usually correlates with how long the individual has been collecting, and not what specific references or even how many pieces the individual has in their collection. Dollar value not important. The longer the time period they've taken to put the collection together, the more thoughtful and interesting it usually is. There's actual meaningful stories behind many of the pieces. Being famous or not has no effect on this. When someone says "I got into watches a couple years ago" and they proceed to have a horde of hot reference watches or collectable vintage Rolex/Patek, basically everything that the collector community AGREES is desirable, then I find those videos bland. The person usually has too much money and not enough imagination. The veteran with the old vintage Tudor subs was one of my favourites.

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