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mhays26 · 8 April 2009, 09:46 AM

Can someone help inform me a little on this subject? I went in my favorite jewelry shop and they had this there. Tag reads 1983 model, but I was unable to get the serial to verify, but will if I decide to buy. Band seemed stretched and loose, but honestly, I was thinking if I bought Id like to put a black band of some kind on it. I have seen a few pics here of what appeared to be a rubber or cloth style band (excuse the newbness, I am just entering this world of Rolex watches). What are some things I should know about these older watches, and what should I look out for? Any idea on a rough value? I will share the asking price after a few comments are made, just curious on what the estimated value is.

LDLemu4U · 8 April 2009, 10:10 AM

Here's a very good site covering all GMT models:

http://www.gmtmasterhistory.com/index.html

I guess the most important aspect first is service history? Any papers?

mike · 8 April 2009, 11:02 AM

Looks pretty good from the pic. Might have replacement hands-hard to tell from the photo. It's a reference 16750. The first GMT to feature a true quick-set date, the 16750 introduced the fast beat 3075 movement to the GMT series.

Introduced circa 80-81, early example used a matt dial sans WG surrounds (what you have). About 1984ish as Rolex moved the line to dials of gloss with WG surrounds the 16750 was so equipped.

Collectors tend to favor the earlier matt dial versions. These dials featured the distinctive "tall" coronet (again what you have).

Some have tried to use the dial from the 1675 in latter versions with gloss WG dials to create a "franken" 16750.

Won't work unless the dial feet are taken off and the dial secured to the movement (glued)

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Check to see if the date feature is quick-set.

I've seen recent asking prices ranging from mid 3Kish to 5K with box&paper and all the bits.

IMHO the 16750 is the ideal vintage GMT (matt dial) in that you have only one of two true quick-set date GMTs (the other being the reference 16700, albiet with a sapphire crystal).

An interesting note is that while the depth rating on the 1675 is 50 meters the 16750 carries a 100 meter rating despite also being equipped with a lovely acryllic crystal.

The black insert is correct for the reference as it a jubliee bracelet.

Mine,

landroverking · 8 April 2009, 11:03 AM

[QUOTE=LDLemu4U;1095550]Here's a very good site covering all GMT models:

http://www.gmtmasterhistory.com/index.html

Thanks for sharing great site.

tubojunk · 8 April 2009, 11:13 AM

Nato bands, as soon as I got mine it never leaves the wrist. Here's my phone pics.

mhays26 · 8 April 2009, 11:38 AM

Thanks guys for the info. When I get to work tomorrow I will begin reading the site that was posted and inevitably, Im sure, ask more questions. $2500 is the price they are asking. Really feel as if I can buy cheaper, probably in the 2200 range as I have given this particular company alot of business.

Quote:

Originally Posted by tubojunk

Nato bands, as soon as I got mine it never leaves the wrist. Here's my phone pics.

Thats what Im looking for. Where do I find these?

tubojunk · 8 April 2009, 11:44 AM

$2500 for the 16750 seems like a good price, but I'm not really an expert on vintage GMTs. I got my bands at http://www.timefactors.com/ and would buy from them again if I needed. Some US places that people normally recommend are westcoasttime and gnomonwatches.

mhays26 · 8 April 2009, 11:06 PM

Exactly how rare are the matt dials? Im assuming not extremely as the price tag does not dictate a very rare piece. I really like the way this looks with the NATO band. This may be a somewhat vague or even unanswerable question, but how long can I expect this watch to remain reliable in the future if it has had a sketchy or even indeterminable service history? What if it has a good service history?

greekbum · 8 April 2009, 11:37 PM

The matte dials are not common they where only produced for a few years on the 16750.Most where swapped out for the newer style durring services.Thye will become harder to find in the future.Service history is irrelevant once you have a good watchmaker examine the watch and see what if anything it needs.The future is more important than the past.

jdc · 8 April 2009, 11:51 PM

seems a very nice watch at a good price

abr68 · 8 April 2009, 11:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mhays26

Thanks guys for the info. When I get to work tomorrow I will begin reading the site that was posted and inevitably, Im sure, ask more questions. $2500 is the price they are asking. Really feel as if I can buy cheaper, probably in the 2200 range as I have given this particular company alot of business.

Thats what Im looking for. Where do I find these?

Hi,
The 16750 is a true classic and beauty.
If you pass at this price just let me know

Mr Sandman · 8 April 2009, 11:58 PM

Looks nice and as many have said a rare beasty too....I'd go for it if I had the money.

mhays26 · 9 April 2009, 12:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by abr68

Hi,
The 16750 is a true classic and beauty.
If you pass at this price just let me know

I believe I am going to buy. Wanting to see if I can locate service records and box/papers before I commit. I need to unload a Tag Aquaracer before I do anything else, but this may be a dont need to pass deal.

GeoGio Greece · 9 April 2009, 04:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mike

Mine,

The WATCH

jasper · 9 April 2009, 05:55 AM

When I decided I wanted a Rolex early last year I did my research and specifically zeroed in on the 16750 model.

Not too long after I made my mind up a TRF member offered me a 16750 for $2500 and I snapped it up. It was a head only, gloss dial, gold surrounds, ding in the crystal and (unbeknownst to me) it didn't wind right so needed a proper service.

It's mine now, freshly serviced for $500 and I only take it off to wear my Speedmaster Pro once in a while. Hands down two of my favourite watches in the world...I really like this watch and don't plan to ever sell it. All else equal I suppose I would have preferred a matte dial, but only just. The gloss dial has a nice subtle bling like the new watches, but I still have that vintage plexi look which is a must for me.

$2500 for a matte dial 16750 on a bracelet is a steal. If you pass on the deal, PM me and I'll buy it.

Check out my 16750 picture thread by the way:

http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=71241

Dan Pierce · 9 April 2009, 06:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mhays26

Thanks guys for the info. When I get to work tomorrow I will begin reading the site that was posted and inevitably, Im sure, ask more questions. $2500 is the price they are asking. Really feel as if I can buy cheaper, probably in the 2200 range as I have given this particular company alot of business.

Thats what Im looking for. Where do I find these?

Nato bands provide so much variety at a low cost. Plus they are comfortable, waterproof, and a vintage Rolex's best friend.

Try timefactors.com. They provide great service. Also try: nato.blogspot.com, another great seller. Save the original jubilee and join the "Nylon Nation".

Good luck,

dP

mhays26 · 9 April 2009, 06:38 AM

Which of the sizes do I need to order for this watch? I guess my question is what is the mm of most of you guys that have a NATO band? 18,20,22 seem to be the 3 choices that I see the most. How wide are the lugs?

Dan Pierce · 9 April 2009, 06:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mhays26

Which of the sizes do I need to order for this watch? I guess my question is what is the mm of most of you guys that have a NATO band? 18,20,22 seem to be the 3 choices that I see the most.

The lug size is 20mm. As far as the straps, one size fits all.

dP

Lamone · 9 April 2009, 06:42 AM

Buy it while it is still available or else for the rest of your life you'll regret it.

mhays26 · 9 April 2009, 06:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lamone

Buy it while it is still available or else for the rest of your life you'll regret it.

I think Im buying. Im just holding out to hear back from them on the service record and/or box and papers. Doesnt really matter, but if there are no service records and etc, I think I can buy for less.

Lamone · 9 April 2009, 06:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mhays26

I think Im buying. Im just holding out to hear back from them on the service record and/or box and papers. Doesnt really matter, but if there are no service records and etc, I think I can buy for less.

Even with no box, papers it's a steal!

I outta visit Arkansas!

mhays26 · 9 April 2009, 06:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lamone

Even with no box, papers it's a steal!

I outta visit Arkansas!

If you ever do, let me know. Come during the fall and we will go to a Razorback football game.

mhays26 · 9 April 2009, 09:04 AM

No box, papers, or any written history. Previous owner says last service was 10 years ago. Dealer has offered to do this first service for $250. I think Im going to offer 2500 including the service and see what happens.

mike · 9 April 2009, 09:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by greekbum

The matte dials are not common they where only produced for a few years on the 16750.Most where swapped out for the newer style durring services.Thye will become harder to find in the future.Service history is irrelevant once you have a good watchmaker examine the watch and see what if anything it needs.The future is more important than the past.

Yep. That's the real issue that many of these dials were replaced. As Rolex uses the last dial type in the reference, the gloss/WG dials are what is used.

SirLoki · 9 April 2009, 09:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dan Pierce

Nato bands provide so much variety at a low cost. Plus they are comfortable, waterproof, and a vintage Rolex's best friend.

Try timefactors.com. They provide great service. Also try: nato.blogspot.com, another great seller. Save the original jubilee and join the "Nylon Nation".

Good luck,

dP

thumbs up to the leader! haha

peppermannen · 9 April 2009, 09:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mhays26

Thanks guys for the info. When I get to work tomorrow I will begin reading the site that was posted and inevitably, Im sure, ask more questions. $2500 is the price they are asking. Really feel as if I can buy cheaper, probably in the 2200 range as I have given this particular company alot of business.

Thats what Im looking for. Where do I find these?

At that price, I wouldn't waste any time, I'd jump at it before some other schmuck took it. Great watch! And welcome to the forum!

timackerman · 9 April 2009, 02:11 PM

Sounds like a good deal for a great watch! Jump on it

jamesvann · 9 April 2009, 02:32 PM

Dont delay and the price seems right and if you get a little discount even better !
Getting hard to find in matt dial !

crombie · 9 April 2009, 03:20 PM

Boy, that is a good price! I agree, even without the papers.

greg

springer · 9 April 2009, 03:31 PM

Couldn't pass this one by without a shot of my favorite 16750, matt-dialed GMT.

8 April 2009, 09:46 AM	#1
mhays26 Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Arkansas Posts: 31	1983 GMT Master Can someone help inform me a little on this subject? I went in my favorite jewelry shop and they had this there. Tag reads 1983 model, but I was unable to get the serial to verify, but will if I decide to buy. Band seemed stretched and loose, but honestly, I was thinking if I bought Id like to put a black band of some kind on it. I have seen a few pics here of what appeared to be a rubber or cloth style band (excuse the newbness, I am just entering this world of Rolex watches). What are some things I should know about these older watches, and what should I look out for? Any idea on a rough value? I will share the asking price after a few comments are made, just curious on what the estimated value is.

8 April 2009, 11:02 AM	#3
mike "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 22,683	Looks pretty good from the pic. Might have replacement hands-hard to tell from the photo. It's a reference 16750. The first GMT to feature a true quick-set date, the 16750 introduced the fast beat 3075 movement to the GMT series. Introduced circa 80-81, early example used a matt dial sans WG surrounds (what you have). About 1984ish as Rolex moved the line to dials of gloss with WG surrounds the 16750 was so equipped. Collectors tend to favor the earlier matt dial versions. These dials featured the distinctive "tall" coronet (again what you have). Some have tried to use the dial from the 1675 in latter versions with gloss WG dials to create a "franken" 16750. Won't work unless the dial feet are taken off and the dial secured to the movement (glued). Check to see if the date feature is quick-set. I've seen recent asking prices ranging from mid 3Kish to 5K with box&paper and all the bits. IMHO the 16750 is the ideal vintage GMT (matt dial) in that you have only one of two true quick-set date GMTs (the other being the reference 16700, albiet with a sapphire crystal). An interesting note is that while the depth rating on the 1675 is 50 meters the 16750 carries a 100 meter rating despite also being equipped with a lovely acryllic crystal. The black insert is correct for the reference as it a jubliee bracelet. Mine,

8 April 2009, 11:13 AM	#5
tubojunk "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Texas Posts: 507	Nato bands, as soon as I got mine it never leaves the wrist. Here's my phone pics. __________________ Audemars 15707ce Lange 191.032 Patek 5990/1a Rolex 126610LN

8 April 2009, 11:44 AM	#7
tubojunk "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Texas Posts: 507	$2500 for the 16750 seems like a good price, but I'm not really an expert on vintage GMTs. I got my bands at http://www.timefactors.com/ and would buy from them again if I needed. Some US places that people normally recommend are westcoasttime and gnomonwatches. __________________ Audemars 15707ce Lange 191.032 Patek 5990/1a Rolex 126610LN

8 April 2009, 11:37 PM	#9
greekbum "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Real Name: Nikos Location: Florida Watch: Rolex GMT 16750 Posts: 8,418	The matte dials are not common they where only produced for a few years on the 16750.Most where swapped out for the newer style durring services.Thye will become harder to find in the future.Service history is irrelevant once you have a good watchmaker examine the watch and see what if anything it needs.The future is more important than the past. __________________ Follow Me On Instagram @nickgogas Original Owner ROLEX 16750 GMT Daily Wearer For Over 13,000 Days And Counting

8 April 2009, 10:10 AM	#2
LDLemu4U Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Canada Watch: GMT Master IIc Posts: 472	Here's a very good site covering all GMT models: http://www.gmtmasterhistory.com/index.html I guess the most important aspect first is service history? Any papers?

8 April 2009, 11:03 AM	#4
landroverking "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Real Name: Jay Location: TEXAS Watch: Daytona Posts: 7,648	[QUOTE=LDLemu4U;1095550]Here's a very good site covering all GMT models: http://www.gmtmasterhistory.com/index.html Thanks for sharing great site.

8 April 2009, 11:06 PM	#8
mhays26 Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Arkansas Posts: 31	Exactly how rare are the matt dials? Im assuming not extremely as the price tag does not dictate a very rare piece. I really like the way this looks with the NATO band. This may be a somewhat vague or even unanswerable question, but how long can I expect this watch to remain reliable in the future if it has had a sketchy or even indeterminable service history? What if it has a good service history?

8 April 2009, 11:51 PM	#10
jdc "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Real Name: Martin Location: UK Posts: 7,023	seems a very nice watch at a good price

8 April 2009, 11:58 PM	#12
Mr Sandman "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Real Name: Jim Location: Devon U.K Posts: 527	Looks nice and as many have said a rare beasty too....I'd go for it if I had the money.

9 April 2009, 05:55 AM	#15
jasper "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: north vancouver Watch: 1680 / speedy pro Posts: 474	When I decided I wanted a Rolex early last year I did my research and specifically zeroed in on the 16750 model. Not too long after I made my mind up a TRF member offered me a 16750 for $2500 and I snapped it up. It was a head only, gloss dial, gold surrounds, ding in the crystal and (unbeknownst to me) it didn't wind right so needed a proper service. It's mine now, freshly serviced for $500 and I only take it off to wear my Speedmaster Pro once in a while. Hands down two of my favourite watches in the world...I really like this watch and don't plan to ever sell it. All else equal I suppose I would have preferred a matte dial, but only just. The gloss dial has a nice subtle bling like the new watches, but I still have that vintage plexi look which is a must for me. $2500 for a matte dial 16750 on a bracelet is a steal. If you pass on the deal, PM me and I'll buy it. Check out my 16750 picture thread by the way: http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=71241 __________________ 1997 Speedmaster Pro: Hesalite, steel back, three dials and manual wind. The classic. 1969 Submariner 1680: Very refreshed - The diver. 1950's Milus: 18k gold, manual wind, no date - the dinner watch. Seiko 6309 The perfect watch for a trip to Mexico.

9 April 2009, 06:38 AM	#17
mhays26 Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Arkansas Posts: 31	Which of the sizes do I need to order for this watch? I guess my question is what is the mm of most of you guys that have a NATO band? 18,20,22 seem to be the 3 choices that I see the most. How wide are the lugs?

9 April 2009, 06:42 AM	#19
Lamone Banned Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: NYC Watch: ya mawt! Posts: 3,448	Buy it while it is still available or else for the rest of your life you'll regret it.

9 April 2009, 09:04 AM	#23
mhays26 Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Arkansas Posts: 31	No box, papers, or any written history. Previous owner says last service was 10 years ago. Dealer has offered to do this first service for $250. I think Im going to offer 2500 including the service and see what happens.

9 April 2009, 02:11 PM	#27
timackerman "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Real Name: Tim Location: Calgary Posts: 1,117	Sounds like a good deal for a great watch! Jump on it __________________ Daytona 116520

9 April 2009, 02:32 PM	#28
jamesvann "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: USA Posts: 31	They are a lovely watch ! Dont delay and the price seems right and if you get a little discount even better ! Getting hard to find in matt dial ! Attached Images

9 April 2009, 03:20 PM	#29
crombie "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: San Diego Posts: 246	Boy, that is a good price! I agree, even without the papers. greg

9 April 2009, 03:31 PM	#30
springer 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Real Name: jP Location: Texas Watch: GMT-MASTER Posts: 17,319	Couldn't pass this one by without a shot of my favorite 16750, matt-dialed GMT. Attached Images __________________ Member of NAWCC since 1990. INSTAGRAM USER NAME: SPRINGERJFP Visit my Instagram page to view some of the finest vintage GMTs anywhere - as well as other vintage classics.

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