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migboy · 16 April 2009, 08:34 PM

I am about to pull the trigger... problem is, I'm having sleepless nights because i can't decide which SS sport rolex will have the distinction of being "my first".
The SS sub date and white explorer II (both are M series) kept smiling at me while I was handling them at the AD.
I would get them both at the same time if I had the cash to spare.
I would really appreciate hearing your thoughts regarding my dilemma.
Thanks!

Starwalker · 16 April 2009, 09:04 PM

SUB-DATE.....its a timeless classic, but u might want to wait for the new SS that MIGHT come out next year....

Asian Sub · 16 April 2009, 09:05 PM

Hi Migboy. If you would only have one, then i suggest you get a SS Sub. Its the ultimate Rolex. I had the Expy 2 black dial before but flipped it for a Sub.

hflee55 · 16 April 2009, 10:10 PM

I would go for the Sub Date. Truly a classic.

rkb · 16 April 2009, 10:19 PM

I have to go the other way here- while I wore a Sub for 16 years, the white dial Expy2 is one of my favorite watches. For me it has both a uniqueness and the classic look of a Rolex at the same time. Now, if the choice was between a Expy2 and a 1680 Sub, it would be a different story.

either way the future is bright!

R

migboy · 16 April 2009, 10:45 PM

thanks all!!!

here are my concerns:
sub date
-timeless
-iconic
-better resale value?
-WR 1000ft
-nicer clasp

expy 2
-love the white face
-24hr hand
-3186 movement?
-bad resale value?
-wifey loves it

rajurama · 16 April 2009, 10:53 PM

Get the best of both (sub + exp) = GMT !!! :D

:cheers

abr68 · 16 April 2009, 11:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by migboy

thanks all!!!

here are my concerns:
sub date
-timeless
-iconic
-better resale value?
-WR 1000ft
-nicer clasp

expy 2
-love the white face
-24hr hand
-3186 movement?
-bad resale value?
-wifey loves it

Hi,

Why don´t you consider a GMT

Me myself there is no doubt would go for the Sub date

Anyway here are my comments on your concerns

sub date
-timeless YES!
-iconic YES!
-better resale value? YES!
-WR 1000ft YES!
-nicer clasp Depends on matter of taste......

expy 2
-love the white face DECISION BY YOU and also a matter of taste
-24hr hand SO WHY NOT A GMT?
-3186 movement? GOOD MOVEMENT AS WELL AS THE SUB DATES ONE!
-bad resale value? YES!

-wifey loves it

YOU!!! have to wear it

Just my thoughts...

2th Dr · 16 April 2009, 11:57 PM

Given those 2 choices I'd go with the SS SD, but if you like the features of both the SD and Explorer II, go for the GMT IIc!

bodybump · 16 April 2009, 11:59 PM

Kabayan!!! i'll go with the gmt also...but to answer your question sub date is excellent..you can also change the bezel inserts and play around with it...

postiff · 17 April 2009, 12:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rajurama

Get the best of both (sub + exp) = GMT !!! :D

:cheers

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2th DR

Given those 2 choices I'd go with the SS SD, but if you like the features of both the SD and Explorer II, go for the GMT IIc!

Damn GMT Guys...

Given ONLY those two choice i woudl go with the Sub Date

But if you are open for suggestions I would say check out the GMT Master II Ceramic 116710 or the GMT Master II 16710 Pepsi.

I like all Rolex but there are a LOT of Subs on the street if you want a great watch and have a different look go with the 16710.

TempoKing · 17 April 2009, 12:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bodybump

Kabayan!!! i'll go with the gmt also...but to answer your question sub date is excellent..you can also change the bezel inserts and play around with it...

Are you a diver, an explorer or a pilot..?
Just decide who you really are... and buy right.

If you are a ladies-Man...then buy a Cartier Tank Francaise...

bodybump · 17 April 2009, 12:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TempoKing

Are you a diver, an explorer or a pilot..?
Just decide who you really are... and buy right.

If you are a ladies-Man...then buy a Cartier Tank Francaise...

hahahaha nope im not..i have a ss daytona but im not a racer...

2th Dr · 17 April 2009, 12:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by postiff

Damn GMT Guys...

LOL!!!

migboy · 17 April 2009, 12:45 AM

i love the gmt IIc but it costs about a thousand US dollars more than the sub date.

keep it coming guys!!!

hey kabayans!!!

rajurama · 17 April 2009, 01:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by migboy

i love the gmt IIc but it costs about a thousand US dollars more than the sub date.

keep it coming guys!!!

hey kabayans!!!

Im sure in these tough times ure sure to get a great deal! if not the ceramic go for the classic pepsi or coke!

Atomant · 17 April 2009, 01:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by migboy

I am about to pull the trigger... problem is, I'm having sleepless nights because i can't decide which SS sport rolex will have the distinction of being "my first".
The SS sub date and white explorer II (both are M series) kept smiling at me while I was handling them at the AD.
I would get them both at the same time if I had the cash to spare.
I would really appreciate hearing your thoughts regarding my dilemma.
Thanks!

You will never go wrong with a Sub date. I wish my first Rolex is a Sub Date but the SD is keeping me really really happy. GOodluck

CPTL · 17 April 2009, 04:55 AM

True that the Sub has a little better resale, which is why you should haggle like heck on the Explorer-II, or pick one up slightly used.

I vote for the Explorer-II. I have both, and I prefer my Explorer-II hands down. Wears much more comfortably, I think the bezel on the Sub is too much sometimes for various dress situations, and I use the 24-hour hand and hour-jump feature on the Explorer frequently.

And, you just pointed out a great aspect of the Explorer-II: you can get it much cheaper than a sub, if you look around a bit.

As for water resistance, if you're going below 100m, then you're likely...well...I seriously doubt you'll be spending too much time below 100m.

sirjohnbrian · 17 April 2009, 05:05 AM

Mabuhay! If you plan to travel a lot or your work relies on military time, I'd say go with the explorer. The sub date though is the true iconic watch. Don't worry about resale, you're probably not going to sell your first Rolex.

kcmo · 17 April 2009, 06:27 AM

I love both....why not get one now and the other down the road? They make a fantastic pair!

Rambam · 17 April 2009, 06:36 AM

I chose the sub for my first purchase and never looked back. Got the Explorer later. For pure Comfort though, the ExplorerII gets my vote

lm21 · 17 April 2009, 07:08 AM

Migboy - I can appreciate your dilemma since I'm pondering my first Rolex as well. I would personally go for the Sub - it's a classic and you just can't go wrong. And if I may offer some advice - with all due respect - get what YOU want and try not to let the wife influence you too much. Unless, of course, she's buying! Good luck!!!

ansharma · 17 April 2009, 07:32 AM

I am also deciding between the Explorer II (black dial) and the Sub Date. Here are a few points I have thought about (in no particular order);

You should be able to get the Exp II at least 20% cheaper than the Sub although their list prices are very similar. Purely because the Exp. II is not as popular.

If you are planning on selling the watch in the future, the Sub will hold its value better although this could be offset by buying the Exp II at a discount.

The Sub seems a common watch; the Exp II is slightly different which could make it more appealing to you.

The Sub let's everybody know you have a Rolex the Exp II is much more discrete.

Functionality - do you require the rotating bezel or is a 24hr hand more useful?

I believe the Exp II is more comfortable than the Sub, but I can't back this up.

I still can't make up my mind - only one way...keep trying both of them on until you think I can wear this watch for the next 10+ years.

Hope this helps

Anuj

migboy · 17 April 2009, 08:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kcmo

I love both....why not get one now and the other down the road? They make a fantastic pair!

now we're seeing the big picture!

this is really my plan...

I'm becoming more inclined to getting the sub date "BNIB"... then later on get the white exp2 "pre-owned" at a much lower price than brand new.

thanks guys!

valentine · 17 April 2009, 09:02 AM

sub date first! a must have! and then the expy! here ya go!

hsfrank · 17 April 2009, 09:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by migboy

thanks all!!!

here are my concerns:
sub date
-timeless
-iconic
-better resale value?
-WR 1000ft
-nicer clasp

expy 2
-love the white face
-24hr hand
-3186 movement?
-bad resale value?
-wifey loves it

I never buy anything based on assumed resale value. Buy it because you love it. Resale is so iffy. Think about used cars and the trade in or sale values. True Rolex is not a used car but any item unless it is truly unique and or highly desireable , at the time you sell it, loses value.

presario · 17 April 2009, 09:47 AM

Sub Date!

dallasfireman · 17 April 2009, 10:11 AM

Ss sub date, it divides the rock stars from the groupies......

diablojota · 17 April 2009, 10:15 AM

Sub Date.

marshallr47 · 17 April 2009, 11:45 AM

You have to pick which makes you smile the most. Both are great watches but you can't go wrong with a Sub. Best of luck on your decision and keep us posted.

16 April 2009, 08:34 PM	#1
migboy "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Chicago Watch: 16610 Posts: 300	newbie needs help!!! I am about to pull the trigger... problem is, I'm having sleepless nights because i can't decide which SS sport rolex will have the distinction of being "my first". The SS sub date and white explorer II (both are M series) kept smiling at me while I was handling them at the AD. I would get them both at the same time if I had the cash to spare. I would really appreciate hearing your thoughts regarding my dilemma. Thanks!

16 April 2009, 09:04 PM	#2
Starwalker "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: aroundtheworld Watch: SS Daytona - BLACK Posts: 2,261	SUB-DATE.....its a timeless classic, but u might want to wait for the new SS that MIGHT come out next year.... __________________ 116520 Black - 116500 White - 116713LN - 116613LB - Panerai 389 - Chopard Mille Miglia GMT Chronograph - Chopard LUC Sport 2000 - Moser Pioneer Centre Seconds

16 April 2009, 10:19 PM	#5
rkb "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Real Name: Russell Location: Seattle Metro Watch: EXPORER II Posts: 605	I have to go the other way here- while I wore a Sub for 16 years, the white dial Expy2 is one of my favorite watches. For me it has both a uniqueness and the classic look of a Rolex at the same time. Now, if the choice was between a Expy2 and a 1680 Sub, it would be a different story. either way the future is bright! R __________________

16 April 2009, 11:59 PM	#10
bodybump ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ 2024 SubLV41 Sponsor & Boutique Seller Join Date: Sep 2008 Real Name: Oscar Location: Florida Watch: Me!!! Posts: 23,233	Kabayan!!! i'll go with the gmt also...but to answer your question sub date is excellent..you can also change the bezel inserts and play around with it... __________________

17 April 2009, 04:55 AM	#18
CPTL "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Real Name: Kevin Location: Texas on my mind Watch: Sub Date; SS/WG DJ Posts: 2,445	True that the Sub has a little better resale, which is why you should haggle like heck on the Explorer-II, or pick one up slightly used. I vote for the Explorer-II. I have both, and I prefer my Explorer-II hands down. Wears much more comfortably, I think the bezel on the Sub is too much sometimes for various dress situations, and I use the 24-hour hand and hour-jump feature on the Explorer frequently. And, you just pointed out a great aspect of the Explorer-II: you can get it much cheaper than a sub, if you look around a bit. As for water resistance, if you're going below 100m, then you're likely...well...I seriously doubt you'll be spending too much time below 100m. __________________ 16610 Submariner Date; D Serial 16234 DateJust SS with WG Fluted Bezel & Jubillee, White Roman Dial; F Serial 16570 Explorer II White Dial; M Serial And Hers: 78240 Mid-Size DateJust SS with Domed Bezel & Oyster, White Roman; D Serial

16 April 2009, 09:05 PM	#3
Asian Sub "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Real Name: Ken Location: Asia Watch: GMT IIc / SUB C Posts: 200	Hi Migboy. If you would only have one, then i suggest you get a SS Sub. Its the ultimate Rolex. I had the Expy 2 black dial before but flipped it for a Sub.

16 April 2009, 10:10 PM	#4
hflee55 "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Real Name: Andy Location: Kuala Lumpur, MY Watch: Me Watching You!! Posts: 3,260	I would go for the Sub Date. Truly a classic.

16 April 2009, 10:45 PM	#6
migboy "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Chicago Watch: 16610 Posts: 300	thanks all!!! here are my concerns: sub date -timeless -iconic -better resale value? -WR 1000ft -nicer clasp expy 2 -love the white face -24hr hand -3186 movement? -bad resale value? -wifey loves it

16 April 2009, 10:53 PM	#7
rajurama "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Real Name: Rick Location: Wakanda Watch: amacallit Posts: 2,090	Get the best of both (sub + exp) = GMT !!! :D :cheers

16 April 2009, 11:57 PM	#9
2th Dr Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Real Name: Mark-O! Location: Arlington, TX Watch: Rolex Posts: 12,714	Given those 2 choices I'd go with the SS SD, but if you like the features of both the SD and Explorer II, go for the GMT IIc!

17 April 2009, 12:45 AM	#15
migboy "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Chicago Watch: 16610 Posts: 300	i love the gmt IIc but it costs about a thousand US dollars more than the sub date. keep it coming guys!!! hey kabayans!!!

17 April 2009, 05:05 AM	#19
sirjohnbrian "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: PA Watch: 'chu lookin' at??? Posts: 964	Mabuhay! If you plan to travel a lot or your work relies on military time, I'd say go with the explorer. The sub date though is the true iconic watch. Don't worry about resale, you're probably not going to sell your first Rolex. __________________ "Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no influence on society." Mark Twain "Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true." Homer Simpson SS Midsize DJ 68274 "L" TT Jubilee DJ 116233 "Z" Sea Dweller DS 116660 "V" SS White Dial Daytona "V"

17 April 2009, 06:27 AM	#20
kcmo "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Real Name: Karis Location: USA Posts: 19,377	I love both....why not get one now and the other down the road? They make a fantastic pair!

17 April 2009, 06:36 AM	#21
Rambam Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Norway Posts: 408	I chose the sub for my first purchase and never looked back. Got the Explorer later. For pure Comfort though, the ExplorerII gets my vote

17 April 2009, 07:08 AM	#22
lm21 Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Real Name: Mark Location: DFW Watch: Breitling+Rolex Posts: 216	Migboy - I can appreciate your dilemma since I'm pondering my first Rolex as well. I would personally go for the Sub - it's a classic and you just can't go wrong. And if I may offer some advice - with all due respect - get what YOU want and try not to let the wife influence you too much. Unless, of course, she's buying! Good luck!!!

17 April 2009, 07:32 AM	#23
ansharma "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: UK Watch: Lange 1 Moonphase Posts: 1,917	Similar decision... I am also deciding between the Explorer II (black dial) and the Sub Date. Here are a few points I have thought about (in no particular order); You should be able to get the Exp II at least 20% cheaper than the Sub although their list prices are very similar. Purely because the Exp. II is not as popular. If you are planning on selling the watch in the future, the Sub will hold its value better although this could be offset by buying the Exp II at a discount. The Sub seems a common watch; the Exp II is slightly different which could make it more appealing to you. The Sub let's everybody know you have a Rolex the Exp II is much more discrete. Functionality - do you require the rotating bezel or is a 24hr hand more useful? I believe the Exp II is more comfortable than the Sub, but I can't back this up. I still can't make up my mind - only one way...keep trying both of them on until you think I can wear this watch for the next 10+ years. Hope this helps Anuj

17 April 2009, 09:02 AM	#25
valentine Banned Join Date: Jul 2008 Real Name: Justin Location: Baltimore, MD Watch: TT Diamond DJ Posts: 2,809	sub date first! a must have! and then the expy! here ya go! Attached Images

17 April 2009, 09:47 AM	#27
presario "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Real Name: Andrew Location: Los Angeles Posts: 1,428	Sub Date! __________________

17 April 2009, 10:11 AM	#28
dallasfireman Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Dallas Watch: Submariner 16610M Posts: 36	Ss sub date, it divides the rock stars from the groupies......

17 April 2009, 10:15 AM	#29
diablojota "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Real Name: Frank Location: Chattanooga, TN Watch: SS Submariner Date Posts: 4,042	Sub Date. __________________ RTFT - Read The Friggin' Thread FcB

17 April 2009, 11:45 AM	#30
marshallr47 "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Real Name: Ron Location: Alabama Watch: Daytona,TT Sub,GMT Posts: 4,673	You have to pick which makes you smile the most. Both are great watches but you can't go wrong with a Sub. Best of luck on your decision and keep us posted. __________________ Ron

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