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Java · 28 April 2009, 11:36 PM

Hi

Please help me with this dilema.
I am about to buy another waych.
I have the following choices.
2004 yg mens yachtmaster, white dial

or

2004 yg submariner black dial black bezel

Both are in extremely good condition, no difference

I like them both equally and would buy them both if I could.
I can only buy one. They are exactly the same price and I am convinced one os more valuable than the other, but I don't know which.

What do you people think?

In other words all things being equal is a yg Yachtmaster worth more than a YG submariner or vice versa?

Thanks

Tim

rollie · 28 April 2009, 11:44 PM

I would get the YM as everyone and their dog has a SUB.
Why follow the crowd when you can stand alone as a leader.

Java · 28 April 2009, 11:48 PM

True, but I really do like both of them, so I sort of decided to decide on the basis of which of the two is the best investment

Tim

padi56 · 28 April 2009, 11:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Java

True, but I really do like both of them, so I sort of decided to decide on the basis of which of the two is the best investment

Tim

Well first no watch should be thought of or bought for a investment.Second gold watches do not hold price proportionally to the SSteel models.IMHO the Sub would hold its price better in the market over the YM.

mic6 · 29 April 2009, 12:01 AM

very hard choice indeed...

Maybe the sub just because it is THE rolex
But the YM in YG with white dial is amazing too...

really don't know.....................

082013 · 29 April 2009, 12:05 AM

Both aren't particularly popular, so resale wont be leaps and bounds ahead on either. I'd buy purely on cosmetics. In which case YM for me

GEZ7ch · 29 April 2009, 12:10 AM

My advice, the TT Sub. though a big fan of the YM, for me a YM is only desirable if it the platty one, on the other hand, the TT sub has great presence and obviously it's not inferior to the YM by any means.
Best,

Imtiaz · 29 April 2009, 12:14 AM

The SUB would be my choice.

kzm40 · 29 April 2009, 12:32 AM

Sub every time...

Java · 29 April 2009, 12:36 AM

I guess from the coments so fa, that they are both of the same monetery value.
I will have to find another basis to decide.
Padi56. I don't agree that no watch should be bought as an investment. I think that every thing bought, should be bought with a residual value in mind. This protects our wealth and allows us , ultimately to buy more.

Tim

SDDS · 29 April 2009, 12:38 AM

i would go for the Sub

2th Dr · 29 April 2009, 12:38 AM

OOOh, difficult choice. All I can say is, don't base your decision on which one you think will hold it's value better. As is always the case, go for the one that smiles back at you. However, I like rollie's response. That's one of the reasons I got the Yacht-Master.

Java · 29 April 2009, 12:46 AM

Thanks 2thDR
I have to admit I am tempted towards that decision. I just dont want to buy the YM and then find out that I would have been a grand in front, if I had bought the Sub.
I suppose people have bigger problems!

sea-dweller · 29 April 2009, 12:54 AM

Sub for me.

wantonebad · 29 April 2009, 01:04 AM

There is a reason the sub is more popular, its the true classic. Its funny cause if we're talking YG I don't like either. My choice for YG would be the YM II. For SS a Sub, and Platty for the YM JMHO but a solid YG Sub or YM are very similar, and honestly I'd just get the one that sang to me that little bit more than the other

Mosco · 29 April 2009, 01:09 AM

I would have said the YM, until actually looking at the Sub... It is SUB ALL THE WAY!

Kokyuryoku · 29 April 2009, 01:17 AM

Sub.....um...no hang on .............hmmmmm........nah, definitely the sub

You can't go wrong.

Lion · 29 April 2009, 01:19 AM

Tim, I thought the idea of buying a Rolex is to use, wear it and enjoy. If you want an investment there are other financial institutions to put your money in for gaining a profit. Buy the one that caught your attention first. Which one has better eye appeal in your opinion!!!

landroverking · 29 April 2009, 05:28 AM

If you want to go the Sub route, look for the Blue dial it will have a better resale value.
I you are looking to get into a YG Rolex sport watch(tool) for less money try looking for a GMT Black dial, they seem to be at least 1K under the Subs.

Jocke · 29 April 2009, 05:31 AM

Go for the YM.

You will never dive with a YG watch, right?

But you can always be a wiseguy on a boat with a YM.

Good luck whatever you choose.

Jocke

diablojota · 29 April 2009, 05:42 AM

They're both Rolex watches and both will hold some value because of the branding itself. The Sub is more popular, so probably far easier to resell if you should choose to do so. I am going to have to agree that the value of the watch is not to look at it as an investment for resale, rather it's intrinsic value. Rolex has a long and proud history. The brand is worth more than anything. If you wanted to buy an investment watch in Rolex, it would not be a gold model. They are notoriously bad for losing value compared to the SS sports models.

That said, it's a watch. Buy the one that you would want to wear. I have no intentions of ever selling my Sub, and therefore I could give a rats ass about the resell value of it, much less its monetary investment. For me the watch was an investment because it means something to me. I bought mine as a result of getting a promotion, the fact that I knew it would hold up under most conditions without having to worry about it. Just my thoughts.

Rolex, bottom line, will never be a brand that I view as an investment brand. If I wanted to buy a watch for the long term investment potential, I would look at JLC, PP, Glashuette Original, etc.

sammiepug · 29 April 2009, 05:45 AM

Sub gets my VOTE, I would prefer the TT black bezel OVER the so called "Bluesy"

kcmo · 29 April 2009, 05:45 AM

Tim, I LOVE the YG YM with white dial! It's not one you see often and is in a class of its own! I prefer the Sub in TT or SS.

BMAN8 · 29 April 2009, 05:48 AM

For this choice, you have to go based on what looks better to you. You can't worry about about which MAY hold their value better down the road.

Like you said, one MAY be worth a $1000 bucks more later. Big deal. Buy what you like and don't look back!

rkot07 · 29 April 2009, 05:53 AM

Hmmm if it was the BLUSEY I would say SUB but I gotta go with the YM!
They're both a Roley and they both have the 3135.
Its really a matter of personal preference, I have the Platinum YM and would never trade it for a TT Sub but thats just me...

mck22 · 29 April 2009, 05:57 AM

Id go with the Sub, its a classic. Plus I love mine!!!!

TempoKing · 29 April 2009, 06:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Java

Hi
Both are in extremely good condition, no difference
I can only buy one. They are exactly the same price and I am convinced one is more valuable than the other,
but I don't know which.
In other words all things being equal is a yg Yachtmaster worth more than a YG submariner or vice versa?
Thanks
Tim

Value wise ??...."All the money"... with the SUB

Rolex116520 · 29 April 2009, 06:51 AM

Go with your guts , buy what your like most
for "investment" resale facility : sub
or if you want my expert advice .... flip a coin for it .

sevykor · 29 April 2009, 06:56 AM

Sub - because of that timeless look.

Bebot · 29 April 2009, 07:17 AM

SUBS for me.

28 April 2009, 11:36 PM	#1
Java "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Real Name: Tim Location: Bangkok Watch: Lots Posts: 521	Sub or Yachtmaster Hi Please help me with this dilema. I am about to buy another waych. I have the following choices. 2004 yg mens yachtmaster, white dial or 2004 yg submariner black dial black bezel Both are in extremely good condition, no difference I like them both equally and would buy them both if I could. I can only buy one. They are exactly the same price and I am convinced one os more valuable than the other, but I don't know which. What do you people think? In other words all things being equal is a yg Yachtmaster worth more than a YG submariner or vice versa? Thanks Tim

29 April 2009, 12:01 AM	#5
mic6 "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Europe Watch: 116718 green Posts: 1,944	very hard choice indeed... Maybe the sub just because it is THE rolex But the YM in YG with white dial is amazing too... really don't know..................... __________________

29 April 2009, 12:10 AM	#7
GEZ7ch "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Israel Watch: Tag Heuer Wan2110 Posts: 397	My advice, the TT Sub. though a big fan of the YM, for me a YM is only desirable if it the platty one, on the other hand, the TT sub has great presence and obviously it's not inferior to the YM by any means. Best, __________________ ROLEX Yacht-Master 116622 Pt.Dial Tag Heuer Aquaracer Automatic WAN2110 and WAP2011 Longines HydroConquest Quartz Ref.L3.663.4.76.6 Certina DS - Action Diver Automatic 200m - Blue Dial

29 April 2009, 12:38 AM	#11
SDDS "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Real Name: Yazan Location: Canada Posts: 4,782	i would go for the Sub __________________ Patek Philippe 5167 Patek Philippe 5905P black dial Rolex Deepsea 116660 M series Rolex Oysterquartz 17000 N series Rolex OP 41MM 124300 Green Dial

29 April 2009, 12:54 AM	#14
sea-dweller "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Real Name: Dennis Location: Bay Area - 925 Posts: 40,018	Sub for me. __________________ TRF Member #6699 (since September 2007)

28 April 2009, 11:44 PM	#2
rollie "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: UK Posts: 206	I would get the YM as everyone and their dog has a SUB. Why follow the crowd when you can stand alone as a leader.

28 April 2009, 11:48 PM	#3
Java "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Real Name: Tim Location: Bangkok Watch: Lots Posts: 521	True, but I really do like both of them, so I sort of decided to decide on the basis of which of the two is the best investment Tim

29 April 2009, 12:05 AM	#6
082013 Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: London Posts: 689	Both aren't particularly popular, so resale wont be leaps and bounds ahead on either. I'd buy purely on cosmetics. In which case YM for me

29 April 2009, 12:14 AM	#8
Imtiaz Banned Join Date: Aug 2008 Real Name: De Location: Tokyo Watch: Daytona, Sub, DS, Posts: 1,046	The SUB would be my choice.

29 April 2009, 12:32 AM	#9
kzm40 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: UK Posts: 713	Sub every time...

29 April 2009, 12:36 AM	#10
Java "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Real Name: Tim Location: Bangkok Watch: Lots Posts: 521	I guess from the coments so fa, that they are both of the same monetery value. I will have to find another basis to decide. Padi56. I don't agree that no watch should be bought as an investment. I think that every thing bought, should be bought with a residual value in mind. This protects our wealth and allows us , ultimately to buy more. Tim

29 April 2009, 12:38 AM	#12
2th Dr Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Real Name: Mark-O! Location: Arlington, TX Watch: Rolex Posts: 12,714	OOOh, difficult choice. All I can say is, don't base your decision on which one you think will hold it's value better. As is always the case, go for the one that smiles back at you. However, I like rollie's response. That's one of the reasons I got the Yacht-Master.

29 April 2009, 12:46 AM	#13
Java "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Real Name: Tim Location: Bangkok Watch: Lots Posts: 521	Thanks 2thDR I have to admit I am tempted towards that decision. I just dont want to buy the YM and then find out that I would have been a grand in front, if I had bought the Sub. I suppose people have bigger problems!

29 April 2009, 01:04 AM	#15
wantonebad 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: USA Watch: 126600, 116500LN Posts: 12,849	There is a reason the sub is more popular, its the true classic. Its funny cause if we're talking YG I don't like either. My choice for YG would be the YM II. For SS a Sub, and Platty for the YM JMHO but a solid YG Sub or YM are very similar, and honestly I'd just get the one that sang to me that little bit more than the other __________________ "I'm kind of a big deal... on a fairly irrelevant social media site that falsely inflates my fragile ego"

29 April 2009, 01:09 AM	#16
Mosco "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Real Name: Greg Location: Cincinnati Watch: I like to... Posts: 18,567	I would have said the YM, until actually looking at the Sub... It is SUB ALL THE WAY! __________________ Instagram - @CaliberSwiss *“A man who procrastinates in his choosing will inevitably have his choice made for him by circumstance.” - Hunter S. Thompson*

29 April 2009, 01:17 AM	#17
Kokyuryoku "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Real Name: Rye Location: Japan Watch: Sundial Posts: 2,156	Sub.....um...no hang on .............hmmmmm........nah, definitely the sub You can't go wrong. __________________ 'The Way of a Warrior is based on humanity, love, and sincerity; the heart of martial valor is true bravery, wisdom, love, and friendship. Emphasis on the physical aspects of warriorship is futile, for the power of the body is always limited'*- Morihei Ueshiba -* Omega 3570.50 (77mil) Rolex 16610 (V) Rolex 1601 (1966) Seiko BM

29 April 2009, 01:19 AM	#18
Lion "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Real Name: Leo Location: Midwest Watch: GMT-II 16710 PEPSI Posts: 21,461	Tim, I thought the idea of buying a Rolex is to use, wear it and enjoy. If you want an investment there are other financial institutions to put your money in for gaining a profit. Buy the one that caught your attention first. Which one has better eye appeal in your opinion!!! __________________ SS GMT-II 16710 PEPSI(Z-serial#) THE ONLY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MEN AND BOYS IS THE PRICE OF THE TOYS!!! MontBlanc Meisterstuck Doue Silver Barley MontBlanc Meisterstuck Solitaire Doue Signum Proud Card Carrying Member of the Curmudgeons.....Yikes!!!

29 April 2009, 05:28 AM	#19
landroverking "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Real Name: Jay Location: TEXAS Watch: Daytona Posts: 7,648	If you want to go the Sub route, look for the Blue dial it will have a better resale value. I you are looking to get into a YG Rolex sport watch(tool) for less money try looking for a GMT Black dial, they seem to be at least 1K under the Subs.

29 April 2009, 05:31 AM	#20
Jocke 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Real Name: Jocke Location: Sweden Watch: A dozen of Rolex's Posts: 22,541	Go for the YM. You will never dive with a YG watch, right? But you can always be a wiseguy on a boat with a YM. Good luck whatever you choose. Jocke __________________ This message is written in perfect swenglish. What is best a custom Rolex or a Rolex that is stuck in custom? Buy a professional camera and you´re a professional photographer, buy a flute and you own a flute.

29 April 2009, 05:42 AM	#21
diablojota "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Real Name: Frank Location: Chattanooga, TN Watch: SS Submariner Date Posts: 4,042	They're both Rolex watches and both will hold some value because of the branding itself. The Sub is more popular, so probably far easier to resell if you should choose to do so. I am going to have to agree that the value of the watch is not to look at it as an investment for resale, rather it's intrinsic value. Rolex has a long and proud history. The brand is worth more than anything. If you wanted to buy an investment watch in Rolex, it would not be a gold model. They are notoriously bad for losing value compared to the SS sports models. That said, it's a watch. Buy the one that you would want to wear. I have no intentions of ever selling my Sub, and therefore I could give a rats ass about the resell value of it, much less its monetary investment. For me the watch was an investment because it means something to me. I bought mine as a result of getting a promotion, the fact that I knew it would hold up under most conditions without having to worry about it. Just my thoughts. Rolex, bottom line, will never be a brand that I view as an investment brand. If I wanted to buy a watch for the long term investment potential, I would look at JLC, PP, Glashuette Original, etc. __________________ RTFT - Read The Friggin' Thread FcB

29 April 2009, 05:45 AM	#22
sammiepug Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: USA Watch: V series SS Sub Posts: 92	Sub gets my VOTE, I would prefer the TT black bezel OVER the so called "Bluesy"

29 April 2009, 05:45 AM	#23
kcmo "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Real Name: Karis Location: USA Posts: 19,377	Tim, I LOVE the YG YM with white dial! It's not one you see often and is in a class of its own! I prefer the Sub in TT or SS.

29 April 2009, 05:48 AM	#24
BMAN8 "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: CAN Posts: 629	For this choice, you have to go based on what looks better to you. You can't worry about about which MAY hold their value better down the road. Like you said, one MAY be worth a $1000 bucks more later. Big deal. Buy what you like and don't look back!

29 April 2009, 05:53 AM	#25
rkot07 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Real Name: Rick Location: California Watch: GMT II, DD, DJ II Posts: 591	Hmmm if it was the BLUSEY I would say SUB but I gotta go with the YM! They're both a Roley and they both have the 3135. Its really a matter of personal preference, I have the Platinum YM and would never trade it for a TT Sub but thats just me...

29 April 2009, 05:57 AM	#26
mck22 "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Real Name: Brent Location: St Louis Watch: Rolex Sub Date Posts: 1,516	Id go with the Sub, its a classic. Plus I love mine!!!! __________________ 16610 Submariner GMT Master II 16710 1675

29 April 2009, 06:51 AM	#28
Rolex116520 "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: EEC Watch: Daytona & Deepsea Posts: 2,387	Go with your guts , buy what your like most for "investment" resale facility : sub or if you want my expert advice .... flip a coin for it .

29 April 2009, 06:56 AM	#29
sevykor "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Michigan Posts: 469	Sub - because of that timeless look.

29 April 2009, 07:17 AM	#30
Bebot "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Real Name: Emil Location: Bay Area, CA Watch: U macallit Posts: 2,645	SUBS for me.

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