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ozlambretta · 31 March 2021, 03:08 PM

G'Day everyone,
I wonder if I could beg your patience and advice on my entry to Rolex ownership.
I have spent some time over the years admiring the GMT on various wrists and finally decided to make a purchase, budget is around USD15k +/-
I have identified the GMT II with a 'Coke' bezel as my preferred choice, I have the following questions:

Fat lady 16760 or 16710 ? any pros or cons with either.

Reputable sellers, I'm not keen on taking a risk with a private sale, are sites such as Chrono24 or Bobs watches the best place to buy? Other suggestions?
Overseas shipping, I'm based in Sydney. Oz sellers?
Servicing , would I be advised to have it looked at by a Rolex service centre and what sort of costs am I likely to expect?
Unless advised to the contrary, I don't require original box or documentation, just some proof of genuine - I'm buying to wear for a the foreseeable future not to re-sell.
Bracelet sizes and adjusting, I have measured my wrist, just 7 inches - will I expect issues?

Thank you so much in advance for your help.
Andy

ozlambretta · 3 April 2021, 12:56 PM

Bump?
Not sure if that's allowed but thought maybe it had slipped out of sight, would really appreciate some input on questions if anyone would be kind enough.
Thanks again

Boaters · 3 April 2021, 07:03 PM

You could talk to DavidSW he is a Trusted Seller. I have used him quite a few times top notch experience always. Good luck I have a 16710 and love it

By the way welcome to the forum.

Sandpit · 3 April 2021, 08:40 PM

Reach out to the likes of Tropical Watch, Fog City Vintage, Grey and Patina (to name but a few). There’s also HQ Milton and Eric Ku at 10past10.

I have not personally purchased from any of these, but these have good online presence.

There is also Momentum in Dubai who I and several friends have purchased from. I can only say good things about him.

GGGMT · 3 April 2021, 09:02 PM

Either watch. Great. Sellers above. Great.

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Marcjvr · 3 April 2021, 11:29 PM

I would go with the 16710. Such a classic ref.

My advice would be, as always, buy the seller. Don’t be scared to pay a bit more from a Trusted Seller with a long history of reliability and excellence.

The easiest mistake to make is to get sucked in buying the “cheapest” one to get a great deal. Lots of lemons, fakes and Frankenwatches out there

Good luck. Look forward to the incoming.

Stan Cooper · 3 April 2021, 11:43 PM

I could be mistaken, but believe the 16760 uses the 3085 movement and has an independently adjustable 24 hour hand, while the 16710 uses the 3185 movement and has an independently adjustable "jump" 12 hour hand.

http://www.gmtmasterhistory.com/gmt-...ref_16760.html

http://www.gmtmasterhistory.com/gmt-...ref_16710.html

Personally, I prefer the 16710 because of the slimmer case and the 3185 movement (and later production the 3186 movement). The 16710 bezel inserts are easily changed between all black, black and red, or blue and red.

You can't go wrong with either reference IMHO.

huba01 · 4 April 2021, 01:05 AM

I would recommend a 16710 and for 15000$ you should be able to get all three inserts and a jubilee

I can highly recommend HQmilton, my friend and I have bought traded many Rolex with them and they can offer you a fresh service if needed
Here is a nice example with a coke insert
https://www.hqmilton.com/timepieces/...x-papers-A4229
Many other trusted sellers , just be sure you buy the seller

rmagoo57 · 4 April 2021, 01:19 AM

16710. For a newbie, I recommend buying the cleanest, youngest example - a D or Z series. Best chance of being all original, maybe one previous service, least polished, etc. Happy hunting!

Michaelvester · 4 April 2021, 01:30 AM

I advice you reach out to reputable sellers here and see what they got.

hnn17 · 4 April 2021, 02:52 AM

Gmts in Sydney or Melbourne 2nd hand watch shops goes for $16k-17k Aud so you're within budget, but they're snapped up pretty quickly. Just check out these Australian shops frequently and you'll see gmts, Sydney vintage watch, luxuria watch, the watch gallery I bought my F series 16710 there in 2015 for $9500 Aud.

The Kermit · 4 April 2021, 03:24 AM

Personally go for the 16710. Love mine with the coke bezel.

Remember though buy the seller.

doramas · 4 April 2021, 03:49 AM

The 16760 Fat lady is sensational.

When I saw it, I was dazzled.

Gab27 · 4 April 2021, 10:03 AM

One of the Rolex ADs near me that also does used Rolex models, Radcliffe Jewelers, has or has recently had a few 16710s in stock. Erik Szper is the guy to talk to and he's a stellar guy to work with. I have no idea how they handle internal shipping. I've also purchased from HQ Milton and they are also great to work with.

springer · 4 April 2021, 11:07 AM

The 16760 suffers from dial issues which was common on several models during the 1980s. Based on my experience, the most common defect is corrosion around the markers. This seemed to clear up during the 1990s.

Be careful with 16760 watches from the 1980s. I've seen many with later replacement tritium dials which most owners/sellers are unaware of.

ozlambretta · 5 April 2021, 08:33 AM

Thank you all for your responses, your help is very much appreciated.

strafer_kid · 6 April 2021, 01:21 AM

You might also consider a 16700 - great watch with quick set date and great build quality. Has all the versatility of the 16710 and wears fantastic!

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Recaro18 · 6 April 2021, 02:11 AM

16710 for me!
Also a reputable seller here on TRF ��

ozlambretta · 24 September 2021, 10:44 AM

Five months later I have my 16710 a '99 (swiss only) coke in great condition, just wanted to acknowledge those who offered advice on this and a further specific thread regarding the piece I ended up buying.
Cheers all.

rmagoo57 · 24 September 2021, 11:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ozlambretta

Five months later I have my 16710 a '99 (swiss only) coke in great condition, just wanted to acknowledge those who offered advice on this and a further specific thread regarding the piece I ended up buying.
Cheers all.

Congrats on your "new" 16710! Will be looking for your thread with pics!

996marty · 24 September 2021, 12:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ozlambretta

Five months later I have my 16710 a '99 (swiss only) coke in great condition, just wanted to acknowledge those who offered advice on this and a further specific thread regarding the piece I ended up buying.
Cheers all.

Brilliant that you got the 16710 as others have said they are great watches and I’m sure it’ll be a keeper

Tools · 24 September 2021, 11:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ozlambretta

Five months later I have my 16710 a '99 (swiss only) coke in great condition, just wanted to acknowledge those who offered advice on this and a further specific thread regarding the piece I ended up buying.
Cheers all.

Good choice and one of my favorites in the stable. Enjoy it

31 March 2021, 03:08 PM	#1
ozlambretta "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2021 Location: Sydney Posts: 13	New to Rolex Advice on 16710 or 16760 G'Day everyone, I wonder if I could beg your patience and advice on my entry to Rolex ownership. I have spent some time over the years admiring the GMT on various wrists and finally decided to make a purchase, budget is around USD15k +/- I have identified the GMT II with a 'Coke' bezel as my preferred choice, I have the following questions: Fat lady 16760 or 16710 ? any pros or cons with either. Reputable sellers, I'm not keen on taking a risk with a private sale, are sites such as Chrono24 or Bobs watches the best place to buy? Other suggestions? Overseas shipping, I'm based in Sydney. Oz sellers? Servicing , would I be advised to have it looked at by a Rolex service centre and what sort of costs am I likely to expect? Unless advised to the contrary, I don't require original box or documentation, just some proof of genuine - I'm buying to wear for a the foreseeable future not to re-sell. Bracelet sizes and adjusting, I have measured my wrist, just 7 inches - will I expect issues? Thank you so much in advance for your help. Andy

3 April 2021, 11:43 PM	#7
Stan Cooper 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Aug 2020 Real Name: Stan Cooper Location: Sonoma County, CA Watch: GMT-Master II Posts: 2,889	I could be mistaken, but believe the 16760 uses the 3085 movement and has an independently adjustable 24 hour hand, while the 16710 uses the 3185 movement and has an independently adjustable "jump" 12 hour hand. http://www.gmtmasterhistory.com/gmt-...ref_16760.html http://www.gmtmasterhistory.com/gmt-...ref_16710.html Personally, I prefer the 16710 because of the slimmer case and the 3185 movement (and later production the 3186 movement). The 16710 bezel inserts are easily changed between all black, black and red, or blue and red. You can't go wrong with either reference IMHO. __________________ ♛16710 GMT-Master II, ♛1915 Rolex WW1 Trench Watch, Zelos Thresher 500m GMT Meteorite, Zelos Swordfish 40 200m Ti Blood Moon Meteorite, Hamilton Pilot Chronograph, Ball Roadmaster Pilot GMT COSC Chronometer, Zelos Mako 300M Traveler GMT Meteorite, Seiko SSC813 quartz solar powered chronograph It's weird being the same age as old people. - Stan

4 April 2021, 03:24 AM	#12
The Kermit "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2018 Location: Uk Watch: Sub16610LV /OP/GMT Posts: 1,212	Personally go for the 16710. Love mine with the coke bezel. Remember though buy the seller. __________________ Current watches Oyster Perpetual,16610LV “Kermit” Gmt “Coke” Gmt “Batman” CHNR TT “rootbeer”

4 April 2021, 11:07 AM	#15
springer 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Real Name: jP Location: Texas Watch: GMT-MASTER Posts: 17,319	The 16760 suffers from dial issues which was common on several models during the 1980s. Based on my experience, the most common defect is corrosion around the markers. This seemed to clear up during the 1990s. Be careful with 16760 watches from the 1980s. I've seen many with later replacement tritium dials which most owners/sellers are unaware of. __________________ Member of NAWCC since 1990. INSTAGRAM USER NAME: SPRINGERJFP Visit my Instagram page to view some of the finest vintage GMTs anywhere - as well as other vintage classics.

6 April 2021, 01:26 AM	#18
harvey "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: rolexforums.com Posts: 5,437	Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ And ever has it been that love knows not its own depth until the hour of separation.

3 April 2021, 12:56 PM	#2
ozlambretta "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2021 Location: Sydney Posts: 13	Bump? Not sure if that's allowed but thought maybe it had slipped out of sight, would really appreciate some input on questions if anyone would be kind enough. Thanks again

3 April 2021, 07:03 PM	#3
Boaters 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: May 2015 Real Name: Mike Location: Pacific Northwest Watch: 116610LV 16710 SD Posts: 10,653	You could talk to DavidSW he is a Trusted Seller. I have used him quite a few times top notch experience always. Good luck I have a 16710 and love it By the way welcome to the forum.

3 April 2021, 08:40 PM	#4
Sandpit "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: Middle East Posts: 1,808	Reach out to the likes of Tropical Watch, Fog City Vintage, Grey and Patina (to name but a few). There’s also HQ Milton and Eric Ku at 10past10. I have not personally purchased from any of these, but these have good online presence. There is also Momentum in Dubai who I and several friends have purchased from. I can only say good things about him.

3 April 2021, 09:02 PM	#5
GGGMT 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Itinerant Watch: 79010sg Posts: 8,346	Either watch. Great. Sellers above. Great. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

3 April 2021, 11:29 PM	#6
Marcjvr "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2017 Location: Southeast Watch: 214270 Posts: 2,749	I would go with the 16710. Such a classic ref. My advice would be, as always, buy the seller. Don’t be scared to pay a bit more from a Trusted Seller with a long history of reliability and excellence. The easiest mistake to make is to get sucked in buying the “cheapest” one to get a great deal. Lots of lemons, fakes and Frankenwatches out there Good luck. Look forward to the incoming.

4 April 2021, 01:05 AM	#8
huba01 "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Dubai Posts: 1,449	I would recommend a 16710 and for 15000$ you should be able to get all three inserts and a jubilee I can highly recommend HQmilton, my friend and I have bought traded many Rolex with them and they can offer you a fresh service if needed Here is a nice example with a coke insert https://www.hqmilton.com/timepieces/...x-papers-A4229 Many other trusted sellers , just be sure you buy the seller

4 April 2021, 01:19 AM	#9
rmagoo57 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Oct 2019 Real Name: Ron Location: Detroitish Watch: GMT II/Sub/Exp II Posts: 2,560	16710. For a newbie, I recommend buying the cleanest, youngest example - a D or Z series. Best chance of being all original, maybe one previous service, least polished, etc. Happy hunting!

4 April 2021, 01:30 AM	#10
Michaelvester Banned Join Date: Nov 2019 Location: chicago Posts: 23	I advice you reach out to reputable sellers here and see what they got.

4 April 2021, 02:52 AM	#11
hnn17 "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Sydney Posts: 266	Gmts in Sydney or Melbourne 2nd hand watch shops goes for $16k-17k Aud so you're within budget, but they're snapped up pretty quickly. Just check out these Australian shops frequently and you'll see gmts, Sydney vintage watch, luxuria watch, the watch gallery I bought my F series 16710 there in 2015 for $9500 Aud.

4 April 2021, 03:49 AM	#13
doramas Banned Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Gran Canaria Posts: 3,469	The 16760 Fat lady is sensational. When I saw it, I was dazzled.

4 April 2021, 10:03 AM	#14
Gab27 "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2021 Location: MD/NC Watch: 114060 Posts: 2,591	One of the Rolex ADs near me that also does used Rolex models, Radcliffe Jewelers, has or has recently had a few 16710s in stock. Erik Szper is the guy to talk to and he's a stellar guy to work with. I have no idea how they handle internal shipping. I've also purchased from HQ Milton and they are also great to work with.

5 April 2021, 08:33 AM	#16
ozlambretta "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2021 Location: Sydney Posts: 13	Thank you all for your responses, your help is very much appreciated.

6 April 2021, 01:21 AM	#17
strafer_kid "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Real Name: Kenny Location: northern ireland Watch: SDs, Subs & GMTs Posts: 5,136	You might also consider a 16700 - great watch with quick set date and great build quality. Has all the versatility of the 16710 and wears fantastic!

6 April 2021, 02:11 AM	#19
Recaro18 2024 ROLEX SUBMARINER 41 Pledge Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Real Name: RiCkY Location: West Coast Watch: 16520 Posts: 12,445	16710 for me! Also a reputable seller here on TRF �� __________________ Passion for Mechanical Timepieces! IG: @crown_in_oyster_case (Make sure you're dealing with me, Meta Verified with Blue check mark!) ~Connecting people through my passion, one timepiece at a time~

24 September 2021, 10:44 AM	#20
ozlambretta "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2021 Location: Sydney Posts: 13	Five months later I have my 16710 a '99 (swiss only) coke in great condition, just wanted to acknowledge those who offered advice on this and a further specific thread regarding the piece I ended up buying. Cheers all.

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