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[penangite]

I'm bidding this on ebay. Genuine or fake? Expert opinion please...

http://cgi.ebay.com/PANERAI-Luminor-...3A1%7C294%3A50

Regards.

Mike

[Trurolexer]

I think that's fake, sorry. The price is ain't right to me too...

[diablojota]

TR is right. That is not a genuine Pam...

[GBJIV]

Originally Posted by penangite

I'm bidding this on ebay. Genuine or fake? Expert opinion please...

http://cgi.ebay.com/PANERAI-Luminor-...3A1%7C294%3A50

Regards.

Mike

I agree. Although not represented as fake on the auction - I believe it is not real. Hard to tell for sure from pictures. I saw a "real" fake one last weekend. This one if fake is certainly better than the one I saw. Clues are how close the cycopls is to the side. Look at the quality of the waffel pattern on the dial. Make sure the numbers and markers are tight - clean... Not sloppy (Like drawing or coloring outside the lines)

Make sure that the glass on the cyclops connects to the crystal cleanly.

Have somebody look at the movement.

I know you can't do all that on an Ebay auction - that is why I would recommend that you just don't do it. Unless, you know the guy that is selling it. Get references, talk on the phone, verify address - verify employment - ask for a picture of the watch with that day's front page of the local newspaper (compare it to front page - can be found easily on Google.
Get him or her to take a picture with their Passport (all of the numbers are do not have to show). Take precautions. There is ton of junk to buy out there - Question is why do it?

I know it is tempting and we ALL know how much we like having a PAM. In my opinion - It would be worth waiting - saving and going to an AD - buying the real thing - not spending the "good" money after bad sort of thing. If you get it from an AD or even the Boutique you will know that it is genuine.

Good Luck!

[louie]

Mike,look at the crown guard lever...lever not even flush with crown guard. Genuine Panerai ones will have Perfect fit,and flush with crown guard...the bezel and the dial all look so FAKE.

This grade of FAKE is less than a hundred bucks on the internet...pls withdraw your bid,or cancel it.

[penangite]

Thanks guys. I have decided to pull out bidding for that one. This is why you smart guys are so helpful, experts of Panerai watches.

I want a Pam so much guys!! There's no Pam AD in my town. And I'm too busy to travel.

What about this one?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=320372103583

Fake or genuine? I think this one is a real Pam. However it's just 42mm. I would prefer 44mm or 45mm. What do you think?

Greatly appreciate!

Mike

[louie]

Originally Posted by penangite

Thanks guys. I have decided to pull out bidding for that one. This is why you smart guys are so helpful, experts of Panerai watches.

I want a Pam so much guys!! There's no Pam AD in my town. And I'm too busy to travel.

What about this one?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=320372103583

Fake or genuine? I think this one is a real Pam. However it's just 42mm. I would prefer 44mm or 45mm. What do you think?

Greatly appreciate!

Mike

Mike,are you from Malaysia?

[GBJIV]

you should try all sizes of Panerai on somehow before you buy in my opinion. That may be tough because there is not a vendor in your area. Most on here would agree that 44mm is the way to go. Some on here would argue that you simply cannot go wrong with 45 or 47mm

Not too many people jumping in line for the 40mm - 60mm - not so sure on the 42mm - you should really check it out in person.

Maybe post on here and p.com that you would like some help and perhaps there is someone willing to meet you for a drink or lunch that owns a PAM. Certainly a drink or lunch would be less expensive than buying something you don't like... Just a thought.

The Risti community is very helpful and generous - They will of course take precautions but, it is a truly excellent group of people.

Good Luck!

[penangite]

Originally Posted by louie

Mike,are you from Malaysia?

Yes, I'm from Penang, Malaysia. Because of the nature of my business, I'm can't leave this island and it has been stuck for more than 4 years now. Rolex watches are plentiful, there's 2 ADs and I own 2 too.

But to own a (pre owned) Pam ... guess I have to source on ebay. It's risky and not smart, I know. I'm running out of options here.

Any good advice?

Mike

[louie]

Originally Posted by penangite

Yes, I'm from Penang, Malaysia. Because of the nature of my business, I'm can't leave this island and it has been stuck for more than 4 years now. Rolex watches are plentiful, there's 2 ADs and I own 2 too.

But to own a (pre owned) Pam ... guess I have to source on ebay. It's risky and not smart, I know. I'm running out of options here.

Any good advice?

Mike

Mike,have you tried Paneristi? like what Jack mentioned,Panerisiti is a good sourcing ground. But pls be cautious! I have seen many been scam,including myself... Do post a reference check here and Panerisiti after you have decided who to buy it from.

I see you from Penang,beautiful island of Malaysia! Mike,there are afew Pam ADs in KL...seriously i hope you will find time and drive to KL AD to buy your first panny. Before you do,decide which you would like to own first and give a call to the ADs in KL. I brought my first panny from my local AD it was a great experience!

[Trurolexer]

Originally Posted by penangite

Thanks guys. I have decided to pull out bidding for that one. This is why you smart guys are so helpful, experts of Panerai watches.

I want a Pam so much guys!! There's no Pam AD in my town. And I'm too busy to travel.

What about this one?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=320372103583

Fake or genuine? I think this one is a real Pam. However it's just 42mm. I would prefer 44mm or 45mm. What do you think?

Greatly appreciate!

Mike

Sorry Neighbour...I think that's another fake too...

[hflee55]

Hi Mike,

The trip to KL is only 3 1/2 hours so come down if you can. I do suggest you call up the ADs in KL if you're serious in getting a new one. You can also try the few Pre-owned dealers in KL. If you have trouble getting a PAM reserved from Cortina, let me know, I see if I can help you out.

[penangite]

You've been scammed too, huh??? Wow, the picture of my avatar, that's how I would look like if I ever discovered that the Pam I bought turns out to be a FAKE!!!

Will check out Panerisiti (thanks to Jackson). Cortina Penang could help (to ship from KL) but says production is always very limited and ask for premium over retail price.

Would like to get a preowned first before going for a brand new. Any preowned Pam 90 in S'pore for sale?

[penangite]

Originally Posted by hflee55

Hi Mike,

The trip to KL is only 3 1/2 hours so come down if you can. I do suggest you call up the ADs in KL if you're serious in getting a new one. You can also try the few Pre-owned dealers in KL. If you have trouble getting a PAM reserved from Cortina, let me know, I see if I can help you out.

Where are the preowned dealers in KL? Time Square?

And yes you are right ... almost all stainless steel PAM are reserved at Cortina, I heard from Penang side.

[hflee55]

Originally Posted by penangite

Where are the preowned dealers in KL? Time Square?

And yes you are right ... almost all stainless steel PAM are reserved at Cortina, I heard from Penang side.

There's a dealer (Time Pacific) with a store in Sg. Wang. Lots of Pams there to make you drool!

Yup, the Pams are usually reserved and the queue is very long. Let me know if you need help.

[penangite]

I hate myself for wanting a Panerai!!!

1) It's very expensive 2) Queue is very long 3) No ADs in my area 4) Ebay's got no queue but very dangerous

Need to get my head examined. ha ha ha

Why can't be happy with what I've got ... hhmm..

Lots of people in here needs a head check too.

[beaujarle]

Originally Posted by penangite

Where are the preowned dealers in KL? Time Square?

And yes you are right ... almost all stainless steel PAM are reserved at Cortina, I heard from Penang side.

Call Ben (Sincere Watch KLCC) - 03-2166 2181

[idk01]

Ok so were looking at two fake PAM's here?:

PANERAI Luminor GMT

Seller - tiscarli (118)


Men's Panerai Mens Radiomir GMT PAM 184 Wrist watch

Seller - starbucksluxury (435) PowerSeller

[idk01]

Time for a prod!

[Mosco]

Both sold so some poor sap... It hurts to see these things... HORRIBLE fakes, both of them!

[idk01]

I still have them up for grabs here, unless its a down under lag