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kwcross · 24 May 2009, 02:13 AM

Hello Folks -
I was wondering if I could pose a question to the friendly community...

I am about to get my hands on my first Rolex (yay!), and I have been hunting for a vintage DJ. Below are pictures of the one that I am about to pull the trigger on, but I was wondering if you could take a peek and let me know if you see any red flags. It is a 321xxxx serial number (1971). Original bracelet ect.

Also, notice the lack of lume on dial and hands... (?)

Please share your thought. Thank you everyone!

Wolfgang427 · 24 May 2009, 04:01 AM

Welcome.

The Datejust looks fine.

Post more pics once you have it.

Athonatron · 24 May 2009, 04:59 AM

Looks good but needs a good cleaning.

dentman · 24 May 2009, 06:59 AM

Looks great... Not sure about lack of lume, must have been an option at the time. Here's my '67 - 231xxxx for comparison.

Lol-x · 24 May 2009, 11:17 AM

My 160X series watches have lume dots, but I think Rolex did make some without lume.

The movement looks pretty clean in yours.

Alcan · 24 May 2009, 11:24 AM

Hi there, welcome aboard!

Your vintage Date-Just looks authentic to me. It had lume back in the day, you can clearly see the dots on the 8:00 and 9:00 indexes. As to the hands, the pix don't show them well but I'd expect them to have dead tritium lume also.

Andad · 24 May 2009, 12:19 PM

Hi KW,

Welcome to the Forum.

Looks good - do you have the calibre/movement number?

I have 1601 - 276....... and it has a 1570 movement and I can't find a 1570 listed for this model - is yours a 1575?

Al,

I can't see how these hands could have had lume did you mean the original hands?

bagel · 24 May 2009, 12:22 PM

Look fine to me ....

Imtiaz · 24 May 2009, 12:25 PM

I have two DJs. 1966 and 1977. The lume on both are long gone.

They both work perfectly. I had the 1966 serviced recently with a new hairspring etc. Perfect time keeping.

You will enjoy this watch. It is one of the great and enduring classic Rolexes of all time.

Lol-x · 24 May 2009, 01:35 PM

Upon further reflection, I might go as far to say that it is possible that the luminous dots on the dial have ever fallen off or removed. I remember seeing a 1601 a while back where there were in fact some luminous dots missing.

Now it may be that the seller has got some hands without lume to match the dial.

Generally, and from my experience (which is not at all complete) the 1601 did generally have lume on both the dial and the hands.

swatty · 24 May 2009, 06:00 PM

Mine is 1977 model for you to compare , It looks to me as though your dial never had lume

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Alcan · 24 May 2009, 07:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by directioneng

Al,

I can't see how these hands could have had lume did you mean the original hands?

You're right, Eddie. What I took for lume dots at a quick look last evening are actually a chamfer on the edge of the indexes.

Tools · 25 May 2009, 02:15 AM

I think that the dial is an original, non-luminous offering, even though it does say T swiss T on it..

Back in that era, CERN dials were known to be made for the Milgauss which were standard dials without lume for use in an environment where no radiation emissions were allowed.. Aside from no lume, there is nothing to distinguish those dials either.

kwcross · 25 May 2009, 11:10 AM

This would likely go in the rotation...

Lol-x · 25 May 2009, 11:18 AM

As long as your 1601 has been serviced in the last 5 or so years, it will stand up to daily wear superbly but that really applies to almost every Rolex I know.

24 May 2009, 02:13 AM	#1
kwcross "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 91	Rolex 1601 Question Hello Folks - I was wondering if I could pose a question to the friendly community... I am about to get my hands on my first Rolex (yay!), and I have been hunting for a vintage DJ. Below are pictures of the one that I am about to pull the trigger on, but I was wondering if you could take a peek and let me know if you see any red flags. It is a 321xxxx serial number (1971). Original bracelet ect. Also, notice the lack of lume on dial and hands... (?) Please share your thought. Thank you everyone!

24 May 2009, 06:59 AM	#4
dentman "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2009 Real Name: kenny Location: uk Watch: This Space! Posts: 158	Looks great... Not sure about lack of lume, must have been an option at the time. Here's my '67 - 231xxxx for comparison. Attached Images

24 May 2009, 11:17 AM	#5
Lol-x Facilitator Join Date: Nov 2005 Real Name: Steve Location: Omnipresent Posts: 33,588	My 160X series watches have lume dots, but I think Rolex did make some without lume. The movement looks pretty clean in yours. __________________ *Most folks are about as happy as they make up their minds to be.* ~Abraham Lincoln Nothing compares to the simple pleasure of a bike ride. ~John F. Kennedy ROLEXploitation - yeah I'm a victim

24 May 2009, 11:24 AM	#6
Alcan 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Real Name: Al Location: Way Up North Watch: your P's & Q's Posts: 10,473	Hi there, welcome aboard! Your vintage Date-Just looks authentic to me. It had lume back in the day, you can clearly see the dots on the 8:00 and 9:00 indexes. As to the hands, the pix don't show them well but I'd expect them to have dead tritium lume also. __________________ Member #1,315 I don't want to get technical, but according to chemistry alcohol IS a solution!

24 May 2009, 12:19 PM	#7
Andad 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Real Name: Eddie Location: Australia Watch: A few. Posts: 37,533	Hi KW, Welcome to the Forum. Looks good - do you have the calibre/movement number? I have 1601 - 276....... and it has a 1570 movement and I can't find a 1570 listed for this model - is yours a 1575? Al, I can't see how these hands could have had lume did you mean the original hands? Attached Images __________________ E

24 May 2009, 04:01 AM	#2
Wolfgang427 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Real Name: Wolfgang Location: New Jersey. Watch: Rolex Tudor Omega Posts: 5,592	Welcome. The Datejust looks fine. Post more pics once you have it.

24 May 2009, 04:59 AM	#3
Athonatron "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: North of you Posts: 108	Looks good but needs a good cleaning.

24 May 2009, 12:22 PM	#8
bagel "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Hong Kong Posts: 605	Look fine to me ....

24 May 2009, 12:25 PM	#9
Imtiaz Banned Join Date: Aug 2008 Real Name: De Location: Tokyo Watch: Daytona, Sub, DS, Posts: 1,046	I have two DJs. 1966 and 1977. The lume on both are long gone. They both work perfectly. I had the 1966 serviced recently with a new hairspring etc. Perfect time keeping. You will enjoy this watch. It is one of the great and enduring classic Rolexes of all time.

24 May 2009, 01:35 PM	#10
Lol-x Facilitator Join Date: Nov 2005 Real Name: Steve Location: Omnipresent Posts: 33,588	Upon further reflection, I might go as far to say that it is possible that the luminous dots on the dial have ever fallen off or removed. I remember seeing a 1601 a while back where there were in fact some luminous dots missing. Now it may be that the seller has got some hands without lume to match the dial. Generally, and from my experience (which is not at all complete) the 1601 did generally have lume on both the dial and the hands. __________________ *Most folks are about as happy as they make up their minds to be.* ~Abraham Lincoln Nothing compares to the simple pleasure of a bike ride. ~John F. Kennedy ROLEXploitation - yeah I'm a victim

24 May 2009, 06:00 PM	#11
swatty 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: Peter Location: Sydney Watch: The Game Posts: 17,415	Mine is 1977 model for you to compare , It looks to me as though your dial never had lume

25 May 2009, 02:15 AM	#13
Tools TRF Moderator & 2024 SubLV41 Patron Join Date: May 2007 Real Name: Larry Location: Mojave Desert Watch: GMT's Posts: 43,514	I think that the dial is an original, non-luminous offering, even though it does say T swiss T on it.. Back in that era, CERN dials were known to be made for the Milgauss which were standard dials without lume for use in an environment where no radiation emissions were allowed.. Aside from no lume, there is nothing to distinguish those dials either. __________________ (Chill ... It's just a watch Forum.....) NAWCC Member

25 May 2009, 11:10 AM	#14
kwcross "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 91	Thanks for the input everyone! How do 1601s hold up to daily wear? This would likely go in the rotation...

25 May 2009, 11:18 AM	#15
Lol-x Facilitator Join Date: Nov 2005 Real Name: Steve Location: Omnipresent Posts: 33,588	As long as your 1601 has been serviced in the last 5 or so years, it will stand up to daily wear superbly but that really applies to almost every Rolex I know. __________________ *Most folks are about as happy as they make up their minds to be.* ~Abraham Lincoln Nothing compares to the simple pleasure of a bike ride. ~John F. Kennedy ROLEXploitation - yeah I'm a victim

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