Well I could wait any longer for the bluesy so I bought something else

[Chef Guy]

Today 06:23 AMChef Guy
I bought a 116613lb yesterday it's a march 2020 model and it contains the new 3235 movement..... The ad offered me a brand new 126613LN but I turned it down they told me they'd keep the papers for 2 years and I'd have to sign a 3 year contract stating that if I was going to sell the watch I'd have to give them first refusal........but all that aside I'm happy my watch is the older model with the new movement ��

[Master_Grogu]

Is this an official AD? Do you have their (ridiculous) demands on writing? If yes, I’d send a nice little letter with copies to the mothership.

[Chef Guy]

It's a family run ad in Scotland..... They have 3 shops Glasgow, Edinburgh and one in London.... They've been doing it for year's only on new sports models to stop people from flipping for profit and I suppose that's probably how they had a new one in the safe.... I wasn't on a list I just walked in and they showed it to me mentally with in 5 minutes.....so I bought the 116613ln instead because you never know what might happen in future and I might have to sell

[Bigsoftee]

Sign a 3 year contract, no papers for 2 years? I would rather wear a sun dial on my wrist than go through those hoops. Its your watch.

[Number3]

Porsche dealers do a similar buy-back scheme for certain models.

[Andad]

I can see that standing up in court.

[Harry-57]

Originally Posted by Chef Guy

they told me they'd keep the papers for 2 years and I'd have to sign a 3 year contract stating that if I was going to sell the watch I'd have to give them first refusal

Who owns the watch? I'm guessing it's not you. £50 and half an hour with a solicitor should sort it out in your favour.

Originally Posted by Chef Guy

I'm happy my watch is the older model with the new movement

The model and movement combination is interesting. If it says 116613LB on the card (do you have the card handy to check?) it should contain the 31 movement. Has the movement been swapped or did Rolex make a cross over model? If they did, why is it still for sale after all this time? Got anything in writing from the seller about this?

No offense, but from what you say it sounds like you might have had your pants pulled down.

[CharlesN]

Originally Posted by harry-57

no offense, but from what you say it sounds like you might have had your pants pulled down.

+1

[CharlesN]

Originally Posted by Chef Guy

Today 06:23 AMChef Guy
I bought a 116613lb yesterday it's a march 2020 model and it contains the new 3235 movement.....

I fund it almost impossible to agree it has the new 3235 movement.

EASY way to know is via the power reserve time. If it goes to 70 hours its the 32xx If not its the 31xx.

I think you have "Been had".

You said its an AD ???? Only 2 Glasgow AD's i think ... FH and L.

Neither of those normally pull stunts like that ..... and certainly not the 3 year and hold papers game.

Thats OUTRAGEOUS and NOT approved by Rolex themselves.

Please keep us informed .. But .... Something somewhere is not correct.

[Oxfordian]

Originally Posted by Chef Guy

Today 06:23 AMChef Guy
I bought a 116613lb yesterday it's a march 2020 model and it contains the new 3235 movement..... The ad offered me a brand new 126613LN but I turned it down they told me they'd keep the papers for 2 years and I'd have to sign a 3 year contract stating that if I was going to sell the watch I'd have to give them first refusal........but all that aside I'm happy my watch is the older model with the new movement ��

Wow, I’m sure that that is not legal.

If you have paid the full price of any goods then those goods are yours to do with as you see fit.

Whilst I do not like those who flip their watches there is very little that can be done to stop it, but this AD (?), is way out of order in getting people to sign these contracts agreeing to these terms, which I believe would be deemed illegal by trading standards.

The big issue with this is the desire for ownership of Rolex watches, with watches being in short supply and very difficult to get hold of if something you like comes up then some will do almost anything to get hold of it.

Sad story, I hope that someone stands up and reports the store to stop this nonsense from happening.

I would also be unsure of the watch, please correct me if I have this wrong but the Submariner range didn’t get the 32xx movements until September 2020 when the new 41 was introduced? Prior to this the watches had the 31xx movements.

My question on the watch you bought is why is this old model allegedly powered by the new movement?

[Jb1264]

The AD would have sold you this watch, had they changed their approach:
“Sir, you have secured a wonderful timepiece
We hope you will enjoy it for many years.
We know circumstances can change
Let us know if you want to sell this in the future
we may even buy it back!”

[Oxfordian]

Originally Posted by Jb1264

The AD would have sold you this watch, had they changed their approach:
“Sir, you have secured a wonderful timepiece
We hope you will enjoy it for many years.
We know circumstances can change
Let us know if you want to sell this in the future
we may even buy it back!”

So true.

[Chef Guy]

Originally Posted by Oxfordian

Wow, I’m sure that that is not legal.

If you have paid the full price of any goods then those goods are yours to do with as you see fit.

Whilst I do not like those who flip their watches there is very little that can be done to stop it, but this AD (?), is way out of order in getting people to sign these contracts agreeing to these terms, which I believe would be deemed illegal by trading standards.

The big issue with this is the desire for ownership of Rolex watches, with watches being in short supply and very difficult to get hold of if something you like comes up then some will do almost anything to get hold of it.

Sad story, I hope that someone stands up and reports the store to stop this nonsense from happening.

I would also be unsure of the watch, please correct me if I have this wrong but the Submariner range didn’t get the 32xx movements until September 2020 when the new 41 was introduced? Prior to this the watches had the 31xx movements.

My question on the watch you bought is why is this old model allegedly powered by the new movement?

The ad said in early 2020 rolex started to phase out the 3135 in the submariner line

[Chef Guy]

Originally Posted by CharlesN

I fund it almost impossible to agree it has the new 3235 movement.

EASY way to know is via the power reserve time. If it goes to 70 hours its the 32xx If not its the 31xx.

I think you have "Been had".

You said its an AD ???? Only 2 Glasgow AD's i think ... FH and L.

Neither of those normally pull stunts like that ..... and certainly not the 3 year and hold papers game.

Thats OUTRAGEOUS and NOT approved by Rolex themselves.

Please keep us informed .. But .... Something somewhere is not correct.

The ad said in early 2020 rolex started to phase out the 3135 in the submariner line

[Chef Guy]

Originally Posted by Harry-57

Who owns the watch? I'm guessing it's not you. £50 and half an hour with a solicitor should sort it out in your favour.



The model and movement combination is interesting. If it says 116613LB on the card (do you have the card handy to check?) it should contain the 31 movement. Has the movement been swapped or did Rolex make a cross over model? If they did, why is it still for sale after all this time? Got anything in writing from the seller about this?

No offense, but from what you say it sounds like you might have had your pants pulled down.

The ad said in early 2020 rolex started to phase out the 3135 in the submariner line

[Chef Guy]

It's definitely a 116613LN I queried the different movements and the ad was certain it was the new 3235

[Rashid.bk]

Originally Posted by Harry-57

Who owns the watch? I'm guessing it's not you. £50 and half an hour with a solicitor should sort it out in your favour.



The model and movement combination is interesting. If it says 116613LB on the card (do you have the card handy to check?) it should contain the 31 movement. Has the movement been swapped or did Rolex make a cross over model? If they did, why is it still for sale after all this time? Got anything in writing from the seller about this?

No offense, but from what you say it sounds like you might have had your pants pulled down.

Pretty sure there's no such watch that exist beginning with a reference 11xxxx and has a new 3235 movement, unless they swapped it, then it's a frankenwatch and you will have issues with Rolex in the future or anything that involves someone other than you, the owner.

I think you are confused or they did pull your pants down.

[CharlesN]

Originally Posted by Chef Guy

It's definitely a 116613LN I queried the different movements and the ad was certain it was the new 3235

It does not have a 3235. No way. The salesman was feeding you something that was the opposite of 'The Truth".

Did you pay List Price ? Hoe sure are you that he is an AD ? Check here .....

https://www.rolex.com/rolex-dealers/unitedkingdom.html

Dis you pay by credit card ?

In a word the term "Rip Off" sounds liuke it may be appropriate here. And if it is from a genuine AD then thats even worse !

A 3235 Movement will not fit in the case from a 3135 watch. The mountings are different.

You know what you need to do ! And its all revolves around return and refund.

[Rashid.bk]

Originally Posted by Chef Guy

The ad said in early 2020 rolex started to phase out the 3135 in the submariner line

Yeah, he made that up. They didn't start "phasing" out the 3135 and somehow putting in 3235s in older models, they outright discontinued it flat out and introduced the new models at the end of summer (Aug 2020 iirc). All 11xxxx model Submariners with 313x movements were disco'd and the new 12xxxx Submariners were released with all new 323x movements and this is identified by a small crown at six btw swiss made.

The only watch with a 323x movement that doesn't have a crown at six is the first two years of production SD43.

Originally Posted by Chef Guy

It's definitely a 116613LN I queried the different movements and the ad was certain it was the new 3235

Ad's make up stuff all the time, I would be absolutely shocked if this is true, and the first such watch that I've heard that exists like this.
One way to confirm is whether the hands move a certain direction when you turn the crown clockwise, and what manuals did it come with. 3135 and 3235s come with different manuals. Photos would be nice.

[travisb]

AD sounds suspect.

[Chef Guy]

I just phoned rolex london and gave them the serial number...... They have confirmed that the ad was wrong.... I'm on the train right now and I'm demanding 🎭 ad resolve this issue

[CharlesN]

Originally Posted by Chef Guy

I just phoned rolex london and gave them the serial number...... They have confirmed that the ad was wrong.... I'm on the train right now and I'm demanding �� ad resolve this issue

AD ????? Are you sure ?

The "AD" will aregue ...

He will say that both movemebts are almost the same.

They are NOT.

For starters the Power reserve on a 32xx is around 70+ hours
31 series is around 48

The stated level of precision is different the 32xx is +/- 2 seconds per day

Dont forget to let us all know how you get on.

[Chef Guy]

Yeah I phoned the ad as well and they still believe it's the 3235 movement

[Bucky]

Just looked at the Rolex Ad retailers. One in Edinburgh and Glasgow and London?? You must mean Southampton. Is it Laings?

[Harry-57]

The 3135 11 series Sub was sold after the introduction of the 12 series as stock cleared through the system. There are probably still some unsold ones floating about or stashed away. Some buyers prefer the 31 movement over the 32. They specifically go after Subs with the 31 movement.

This is the first time I have heard that the 32 movements were being put in the 11 series Subs. Sounds far fetched. I might be wrong.

Who is the AD? You have said nothing negative about them, so you can name them. I think anyone in the UK and possibly some international buyers would appreciate knowing who they are. We learn from our collective experiences.

It wouldn't hurt to seek a bit of advice on this. If the watch fails under warranty (it happens) or if you send it to the RSC, are you 100% confident that Rolex will repair/service it? Do you have anything in writing which says this 11 Series Sub has a 32 movement and was sold new by an AD? This might sound a bit anally retentive. It may never matter, but something doesn't add up - yet.

[ks58]

If I could buy a few more models on my wish list and then receive the papers in two years, it’s a no brainer. I don’t sell my watches anyway. It only hurts flippers.

[Rashid.bk]

Originally Posted by CharlesN

The stated level of precision is different the 32xx is +/- 2 seconds per day

That's no longer correct, several years back Rolex rated the 31xx at +/-2spd and naming it as it's superlative chronometer standard and changing the hangtag color from red to green. From experience I feel the 31xx runs more accurately.

Originally Posted by Chef Guy

Yeah I phoned the ad as well and they still believe it's the 3235 movement

They can believe what they want but that watch has a 31xx movement in it.
Good luck with a resolution.

[Harry-57]

Originally Posted by Chef Guy

I just phoned rolex london and gave them the serial number...... They have confirmed that the ad was wrong.... I'm on the train right now and I'm demanding 🎭 ad resolve this issue

Sensible.

I wish you the best of luck with it. Since you only bought it recently (yesterday?) you are on firm ground.

[alphadweller]

As already mentioned in this thread, there is no 116613LB with a 3235 movement. The cailber was only introduced in the Submariner in Sep 2020 with the 12x model reference. AD is lying to make a sale.

[Rashid.bk]

Originally Posted by Harry-57

The 3135 11 series Sub was sold after the introduction of the 12 series as stock cleared through the system. There are probably still some unsold ones floating about or stashed away. Some buyers prefer the 31 movement over the 32. They specifically go after Subs with the 31 movement.

This is the first time I have heard that the 32 movements were being put in the 11 series Subs. Sounds far fetched. I might be wrong.

Who is the AD? You have said nothing negative about them, so you can name them. I think anyone in the UK and possibly some international buyers would appreciate knowing who they are. We learn from our collective experiences.

It wouldn't hurt to seek a bit of advice on this. If the watch fails under warranty (it happens) or if you send it to the RSC, are you 100% confident that Rolex will repair/service it? Do you have anything in writing which says this 11 Series Sub has a 32 movement and was sold new by an AD? This might sound a bit anally retentive. It may never matter, but something doesn't add up - yet.

See post #21.