Tudor buying to increase AD relation

[myanezt]

Hello,

I'm considering buying some Tudor timepieces from a Rolex/Tudor dealer? will this help with the relationship towards an Rolex GMT/Daytona?

I like the Tudor watches, of course not much as Rolex

I know the Omegas and others have much more margin for the dealer, but is Tudor also on the same position?

[PBJ1925]

Maybe incrementally on the relationship end but I wouldn't count on buying a BB58 and it leading immediately to a GMT/Daytona.

You're better off simply purchasing pieces because you want/enjoy them. On the margin front, Omegas outside of Boutiques are typically discounted so their net margins are heavily dependent on the sale price. Either way best of luck with your hunt.

[Wahlberg]

Originally Posted by myanezt

Hello,

I'm considering buying some Tudor timepieces from a Rolex/Tudor dealer? will this help with the relationship towards an Rolex GMT/Daytona?

I like the Tudor watches, of course not much as Rolex

I know the Omegas and others have much more margin for the dealer, but is Tudor also on the same position?

Buy the gold BB58 and/or a gold Omega at 30k.

[myanezt]

Originally Posted by Wahlberg

Buy the gold BB58 and/or a gold Omega at 30k.

I;m thinkin to buy the Black Bay Chrono White M79360N-0002

[Oyster Sauce]

Originally Posted by Wahlberg

Buy the gold BB58 and/or a gold Omega at 30k.

+1 Sadly I think this is basically the truth. Purchasing a SS Tudor or Omega probably won't do much if a Rolex is what you want. Which begs the question that gets asked here daily: if a Rolex is what you want, why bother wasting time (and money) on your second choices? Best wishes

[padi56]

Originally Posted by myanezt

Hello,

I'm considering buying some Tudor timepieces from a Rolex/Tudor dealer? will this help with the relationship towards an Rolex GMT/Daytona?

I like the Tudor watches, of course not much as Rolex

I know the Omegas and others have much more margin for the dealer, but is Tudor also on the same position?

All this so called AD relationship mainly exists in internet fantasy land, why anyone would think they must buy other goods so a AD will sell you a Rolex watch defeats me. If all perspective buyers stop all this AD relationship stuff and nonsense, then perhaps people could get back buying Rolex watches as normal. ADs are in business for one thing only, and thats to sell as many of there products they have for sale in there retail store to anyone who enters there retail store, just like any other retail store.

[Laszlo]

About 8-years ago I went to Ben Bridge AD here in SF (that location has gone out of business btw) and they had a lot in stock and they wanted to sell me anything they had. No relationship building, no bundling, no uncomfortable tactics. The only selling tool they used was, 'This watch will last forever and can be handed down to your son, how wonderful is that?' I tried on a Sub, Milgauss, a Daytona and a DJII. At that time my wife was sharking around the mall so I didn't purchase anything.

That same week though I went downtown to the old Rolex Boutique they had inside the mall which I believe was/still is Tourneau. Nonetheless, they had full stock of everything you'd typically want, but the sales tactics were very agreesive and the sales person told me straight up that I had to buy a gold Rolex before they would sell me a SS Daytona which was actually sitting in the case. It was a major turn-off, and obviously I didn't buy anything.

[myanezt]

Originally Posted by padi56

All this so called AD relationship mainly exists in internet fantasy land, why anyone would think they must buy other goods so a AD will sell you a Rolex watch defeats me. If all perspective buyers stop all this AD relationship stuff and nonsense, then perhaps people could get back buying Rolex watches as normal. ADs are in business for one thing only, and thats to sell as many of there products they have for sale in there retail store to anyone who enters there retail store, just like any other retail store.

Yes, you're completely right. I don't know when it has started... I remember 5 years ago my wife bought a DateJust at Mayors and they seller was insisting me to buy a Submariner that I refused, and he insisted all the time... (wish I have bought it anyway)

Now the situation is about to beg to buy one

[HHIslander]

I'd flat out ask the SA. "Listen, I really want a GMT/XX and I'm aware of the realities of today's supply issues and the overall market. If I were to purchase a Tudor would that help move me up the list?"

I don't think there's any harm in that.

[kieselguhr]

Does making 3 right turns lead to the left? Maybe.

[myanezt]

Originally Posted by kieselguhr

Does making 3 right turns lead to the left? Maybe.

Technically yes.... depending on the degree of the turns and your perspective... :))

[Farsh14]

Originally Posted by myanezt

I;m thinkin to buy the Black Bay Chrono White M79360N-0002

Be careful I was told a lot of ADs can’t sell Omegas and that you can only buy them from actual omega retail shops or at least in the USA. Someone can fact check me on that it’s what I understood from Wempe in Nyc

[myanezt]

Originally Posted by Farsh14

Be careful I was told a lot of ADs can’t sell Omegas and that you can only buy them from actual omega retail shops or at least in the USA. Someone can fact check me on that it’s what I understood from Wempe in Nyc

Thanks, interested in the Tudor but good to know !

[GradyPhilpott]

Don't buy watches just to build a relationship.

Some people fall for that, but I don't recommend it.

The thing to do is visit an AD. Tell the staff what you would like to have.

Drop in periodically, just to look around, talk watches, and ask a few questions. Show interest, genuine interest.

If you see a watch other than the Rolex you desire and you not only like it, but want it, buy it.

You'll then have a watch that you will enjoy and the AD can see that you're not just jerking his chain.

Yielding to extortion is rarely the best course.

[Halifax Daytona UK]

Originally Posted by padi56

All this so called AD relationship mainly exists in internet fantasy land, why anyone would think they must buy other goods so a AD will sell you a Rolex watch defeats me. If all perspective buyers stop all this AD relationship stuff and nonsense, then perhaps people could get back buying Rolex watches as normal. ADs are in business for one thing only, and thats to sell as many of there products they have for sale in there retail store to anyone who enters there retail store, just like any other retail store.

100% agree
Could agree more

[BoilerRxZ06]

Originally Posted by GradyPhilpott

Don't buy watches just to build a relationship.

Some people fall for that, but I don't recommend it.

The thing to do is visit an AD. Tell the staff what you would like to have.

Drop in periodically, just to look around, talk watches, and ask a few questions. Show interest, genuine interest.

If you see a watch other than the Rolex you desire and you not only like it, but want it, buy it.

You'll then have a watch that you will enjoy and the AD can see that you're not just jerking his chain.

Yielding to extortion is rarely the best course.

Totally agree with this! I wouldn't buy anything I didn't want. That being said, it turns out there is a lot I want. So as I recently waited for a YM40, I purchased several other pieces and some jewelry for my wife. But to buy a bunch of stuff you don't want in hopes it'll get you a Rolex faster sounds silly to me too.

[SLWoodster]

Yes. But it needs to be spread out and over time. I find that PERSONAL intros from vips help the most.

I made an intro for a friend's wedding. He bought some earrings, a tudor black bay, and then got a GMT, within a year.

I made an intro for another friend. Got a sub within a few wks.

The list goes on.

Originally Posted by myanezt

Hello,

I'm considering buying some Tudor timepieces from a Rolex/Tudor dealer? will this help with the relationship towards an Rolex GMT/Daytona?

I like the Tudor watches, of course not much as Rolex

I know the Omegas and others have much more margin for the dealer, but is Tudor also on the same position?

[myanezt]

Originally Posted by SLWoodster

Yes. But it needs to be spread out and over time. I find that PERSONAL intros from vips help the most.

I made an intro for a friend's wedding. He bought some earrings, a tudor black bay, and then got a GMT, within a year.

I made an intro for another friend. Got a sub within a few wks.

The list goes on.

I'm going to ask you to introduce me !! jajaj just joking, yes I know what you mean

[Ssunnylee24]

Originally Posted by padi56

All this so called AD relationship mainly exists in internet fantasy land, why anyone would think they must buy other goods so a AD will sell you a Rolex watch defeats me. If all perspective buyers stop all this AD relationship stuff and nonsense, then perhaps people could get back buying Rolex watches as normal. ADs are in business for one thing only, and thats to sell as many of there products they have for sale in there retail store to anyone who enters there retail store, just like any other retail store.

This should be a "Pop-up" messege for everyone who visits Rolex Forum site.

[Harry-57]

Originally Posted by padi56

All this so called AD relationship mainly exists in internet fantasy land, why anyone would think they must buy other goods so a AD will sell you a Rolex watch defeats me. If all perspective buyers stop all this AD relationship stuff and nonsense, then perhaps people could get back buying Rolex watches as normal. ADs are in business for one thing only, and thats to sell as many of there products they have for sale in there retail store to anyone who enters there retail store, just like any other retail store.

That covers it nicely.

By all means buy what you want for the sake of wanting to. Not for the sake of hope. An AD could string you along for years. I wold. Nothing personal, it's just what sales people are paid to do.

Relationship building is something that evolves organically in life between people for all sorts of reasons. You can't buy into a relationship for a given sum (apart from, shall we say, special circumstances which don't involve buying watches!). The internet, with its instant gratification and FOMO paradigms, is propagating a myth that everything is transactional and you just need to throw the appropriate switch. This isn't relationship building.

[ninjin]

I've been shopping with the same Rolex AD for over 10years. The first watch I bought was from them was a Zenith. Then a couple of Rolex DJ, then nothing for 5yrs as what I wanted they didn't deal with but during this time we did keep in touch and talked watches and buying what he couldn't supply. I even purchased a couple of Tudors from HK before the Tudor brand was officially re-released in the UK and expressed my dismay at UK being so slow.

Come to 2016 and with the release of the new 116500 I just had to have one. Made my intentions clear and requested a black one. He said it will take a while but we'll get it sorted! 9months later and it was on my wrist, I was told 2yrs at the time of asking for it.

I've purchased on average 2 Rolex every year from my AD since then with the odd Tudor and Omega thrown in.

I have never ever purchased anything to try to help my cause to get one of the hot references.

I don't get my watches in quick time and have to wait like everyone else does. The longest recent purchase was the pepsi which was around 18m.

Some have been stupidly quick, like a SS SkyD in 2weeks or the WG Daytona OF in 10weeks last year.

I'm still waiting for a 31mm Pink OP, so don't think I get everything my way. Bottom line I think my AD is fair to me because he knows I buy what I like and that I will happily spend with him for the foreseeable future.

I even helped my cousin obtain a sub date when he could not get any AD to take him seriously. Told my AD and waited 6m, just picked up this week. My cousin is a happy guy!

The relationships are a bit like respect, you can't buy it... You can only earn it over time.

[myanezt]

Originally Posted by ninjin

I've been shopping with the same Rolex AD for over 10years. The first watch I bought was from them was a Zenith. Then a couple of Rolex DJ, then nothing for 5yrs as what I wanted they didn't deal with but during this time we did keep in touch and talked watches and buying what he couldn't supply. I even purchased a couple of Tudors from HK before the Tudor brand was officially re-released in the UK and expressed my dismay at UK being so slow.

Come to 2016 and with the release of the new 116500 I just had to have one. Made my intentions clear and requested a black one. He said it will take a while but we'll get it sorted! 9months later and it was on my wrist, I was told 2yrs at the time of asking for it.

I've purchased on average 2 Rolex every year from my AD since then with the odd Tudor and Omega thrown in.

I have never ever purchased anything to try to help my cause to get one of the hot references.

I don't get my watches in quick time and have to wait like everyone else does. The longest recent purchase was the pepsi which was around 18m.

Some have been stupidly quick, like a SS SkyD in 2weeks or the WG Daytona OF in 10weeks last year.

I'm still waiting for a 31mm Pink OP, so don't think I get everything my way. Bottom line I think my AD is fair to me because he knows I buy what I like and that I will happily spend with him for the foreseeable future.

I even helped my cousin obtain a sub date when he could not get any AD to take him seriously. Told my AD and waited 6m, just picked up this week. My cousin is a happy guy!

The relationships are a bit like respect, you can't buy it... You can only earn it over time.

I enjoyed reading this ... thanks!

[hutch300]

Buy what you want but remember an AD today might not be an AD tomorrow.

[xekret]

It might, or it might not. A VVVVIP is a friend of mine and he has been waiting for a Cermit since it was announced. He has bought over $50k in other product since he has been waiting and still no call.

[1665fan]

I bought a blue pelagos and was offered an exp2 after that…it helps

[Know1isgod]

This year, i've purchased a Tudor Panda, Tudor GMT, Omega Seamaster and DJ 41 Azurru Blue from the same AD. Last month I expressed formal interest in a DJ 41 Wimbledon or no date Sub. I'm wondering if my purchase history will help me get either before Christmas or shortly thereafter.

[ZOOK]

Originally Posted by ninjin

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The relationships are a bit like respect, you can't buy it... You can only earn it over time.

Great statement.

[Sprezzatura!,]

Originally Posted by myanezt

Hello,

I'm considering buying some Tudor timepieces from a Rolex/Tudor dealer? will this help with the relationship towards an Rolex GMT/Daytona?

I like the Tudor watches, of course not much as Rolex

I know the Omegas and others have much more margin for the dealer, but is Tudor also on the same position?

Ask the AD. He’ll let you know.

Without that direction, you could be buying watches you wouldn’t normally purchase, without a satisfactory end result.

[Sprezzatura!,]

Originally Posted by ninjin

The relationships are a bit like respect, you can't buy it... You can only earn it over time.

In a normal interpersonal human scenario, yes.

This is a shop. Retail. Nothing more. Relationships help, yes. But just how emotionally involved do you think retail staff are?

Come on.

[McinRolex]

Originally Posted by xekret

It might, or it might not. A VVVVIP is a friend of mine and he has been waiting for a Cermit since it was announced. He has bought over $50k in other product since he has been waiting and still no call.

Surprised that VVVVIP only spent $50K and considered as VVVVIP.