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vesnyder · 27 December 2021, 01:04 AM

Got a new Timegrapher for X-mas and still learning how to test my watches. Tested my GMT II CHNR this morning and was suspicious there are issues. It has been slower than it should be, and I used the Timegrapher to quantify it. It is losing anywhere from 12-22 spd (depending on position), and most worrisome is the amplitude - 170-180. Plan is to take it into the local AD, as it is still under warranty. Any insight?

Thanks

007Sub · 27 December 2021, 01:23 AM

Was it fully wound?

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vesnyder · 27 December 2021, 01:38 AM

It was fully wound as normal.

007Sub · 27 December 2021, 01:48 AM

Your lift angle on timegrapher set to 52?
If so that’s definitely a low read and the movement should be inspected and repaired. Somethings not correct.

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SearChart · 27 December 2021, 01:50 AM

3285 movement, common issue. Needs a complete service.

vesnyder · 27 December 2021, 02:01 AM

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3285 movement, common issue. Needs a complete service.

What is the common isssue? Two years old and needs a complete service. That is not reassuring?

saxo3 · 27 December 2021, 02:06 AM

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Originally Posted by vesnyder

What is the common isssue? Two years old and needs a complete service. That is not reassuring?

Yes, it is not reassuring!

You can find a lot of information and 32xx measurement data here:

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=786299

A detailed step by step timegrapher measurement procedure one can find in this thread in posts #1425 and #771

SearChart · 27 December 2021, 02:27 AM

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Originally Posted by vesnyder

What is the common isssue? Two years old and needs a complete service. That is not reassuring?

Seconds gear pivot wearing out prematurely, causing the amplitude to drop significantly and eventually to a dead stop.

GrantD · 27 December 2021, 05:59 AM

Mines a year old and ran this earlier today.

saxo3 · 27 December 2021, 06:10 AM

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Originally Posted by GrantD

Mines a year old and ran this earlier today.

Looks very good for dial up.
What about the other positions?
Btw, the winding crown should be in mechanical contact with the timegrapher microphone, not the black plastic holder

GrantD · 27 December 2021, 06:14 AM

Opps my bad, confirm I should be using lift angle 53 please. Just scanning the main thread and will run the test tomorrow.

Moretti · 3 January 2022, 01:08 AM

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Originally Posted by SearChart

Seconds gear pivot wearing out prematurely, causing the amplitude to drop significantly and eventually to a dead stop.

Do you know anything about any potential update to that movement? My 2019 DJ41 is running 3 spd slow, just after I bought it was spot on. My Batman is +/- 0 after a year and 1 month but I seldom wear it (maybe 3 months in total since I bought it). Do the 2021 models appear to have this issue too? The reason I ask about it is the fact that I already have 2 watches with 32xx and I'm on the waitlist for another 2. Sending 4 of them every 2-3 years in for a service will surely be a hassle and I'm a bit OCD when it comes to these things.

amanbra · 19 January 2022, 08:04 PM

Bas, do you feel this issue is getting better or this going to be a short lived movement you think?

27 December 2021, 01:23 AM	#2
007Sub "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Real Name: Greg Location: USA Watch: Milsub Posts: 1,635	Was it fully wound? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ @true_patina @true.dome

27 December 2021, 01:48 AM	#4
007Sub "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Real Name: Greg Location: USA Watch: Milsub Posts: 1,635	Your lift angle on timegrapher set to 52? If so that’s definitely a low read and the movement should be inspected and repaired. Somethings not correct. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ @true_patina @true.dome

27 December 2021, 01:04 AM	#1
vesnyder "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2018 Real Name: Vance Location: North Coast Watch: GMT II Posts: 1,572	2019 GMT II; -15 spd, 170 Amplitude Got a new Timegrapher for X-mas and still learning how to test my watches. Tested my GMT II CHNR this morning and was suspicious there are issues. It has been slower than it should be, and I used the Timegrapher to quantify it. It is losing anywhere from 12-22 spd (depending on position), and most worrisome is the amplitude - 170-180. Plan is to take it into the local AD, as it is still under warranty. Any insight? Thanks

27 December 2021, 01:38 AM	#3
vesnyder "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2018 Real Name: Vance Location: North Coast Watch: GMT II Posts: 1,572	It was fully wound as normal.

27 December 2021, 05:59 AM	#9
GrantD "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2017 Location: England Posts: 415	Mines a year old and ran this earlier today.

27 December 2021, 06:14 AM	#11
GrantD "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2017 Location: England Posts: 415	Opps my bad, confirm I should be using lift angle 53 please. Just scanning the main thread and will run the test tomorrow.

19 January 2022, 08:04 PM	#13
amanbra "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2019 Real Name: Graham Location: Aus Posts: 2,449	Bas, do you feel this issue is getting better or this going to be a short lived movement you think?

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