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Parapraxis · 3 January 2022, 02:35 AM

In 2022, I hope to purchase one of these pieces. Both are in similar price ranges, but completely different pieces so it's hard to pick a winner. Here's my logic:

DayDate:
- classic, iconic, speaks for itself (vs an FPJ which only one person a year will know what it is and will require explaining to everyone else)
- big chunk of change to add to my spend history at the Rolex AD, which is much needed these days.
- but I don't think they're as scarce as they're trying to make them seem, if not this year I'm sure I can pick one up in the future

FPJ CS:
- those who know know. I'll be the only cool guy with one. Maybe a future collectible?
- but a lot of money to spend on a brand with not much history (no, I'm not buying to flip but collecting is about value and knowing your money is somewhat safe)
- if I don't pull the trigger if one is offered to me this year, I may never get a chance again

What do you guys think? Take it easy on me as I know this will stir up some strong emotions but I'm just being honest and transparent with my logic thus far. I'm open to hearing other perspectives. Thanks

GoingPlaces · 3 January 2022, 02:42 AM

I'll keep it simple. No expert on Journe but I'd go FPJ in this scenario. You can always source a Day Date but it seems like Journe is becoming a fairly elusive watch and something quite special. I love their pieces, definitely a future collectible. Compared to Journe, Day Dates are mass produced.

stonejordan · 3 January 2022, 03:14 AM

As the owner of watches from both brands, I would also go with Journe. I will say however, that the waiting list for even the CS is currently past 2023.

Of course, this assumes you're not buying from a gray dealer.

GB-man · 3 January 2022, 03:20 AM

I wish you had bought that Havana dial CS! That was you right?

Get the CS if the opportunity arises again. The DD will be there. I have a DD40 and I wouldn’t trade my Journe for two of them money aside. I also don’t think buying a DD40 gets you valuable points with the AD anymore. They know these are now selling over msrp.

beshannon · 3 January 2022, 03:22 AM

I would get the Journe if that was possible

Parapraxis · 3 January 2022, 03:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GB-man

I wish you had bought that Havana dial CS! That was you right?

Get the CS if the opportunity arises again. The DD will be there. I have a DD40 and I wouldn’t trade my Journe for two of them money aside. I also don’t think buying a DD40 gets you valuable points with the AD anymore. They know these are now selling over msrp.

Yep! That was me. I wasn't in love with the Havana/platinum combo but now I regret my decision as beggars can't be choosers.

You guys are confirming my gut decision. I got tempted by a DD40 there for a sec but I think you guys are right about going with the CS.

uscmatt99 · 3 January 2022, 03:55 AM

The Journe CS is a pretty special piece. It's the most uniquely laid out 3-hander manual wind with power reserve complication that I can think of and that's because the movement was designed around the dial layout FPJ wanted to achieve. For this reason, I prefer the CS to the CB. Thankfully I got it before the hype, I couldn't afford the secondary market prices today. If you haven't seen this article, it's worth the read.

http://thejourneguy.com/rediscoverin...tre-souverain/

FPF CS by uscmatt99, on Flickr

Bearxj86 · 3 January 2022, 04:00 AM

It depends on your current collection.

If you don't already have a daily beater or steel rolex/nautilus/aquanaut, I would go with the day date that you can wear in any occasion all the time.

The Journe is more fragile and is more for work/dressy casual/dress. It is not suitable for the rough and tumble.

If you do have watches you can wear daily, then the Journe is the correct choice here.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Parapraxis

In 2022, I hope to purchase one of these pieces. Both are in similar price ranges, but completely different pieces so it's hard to pick a winner. Here's my logic:

DayDate:
- classic, iconic, speaks for itself (vs an FPJ which only one person a year will know what it is and will require explaining to everyone else)
- big chunk of change to add to my spend history at the Rolex AD, which is much needed these days.
- but I don't think they're as scarce as they're trying to make them seem, if not this year I'm sure I can pick one up in the future

FPJ CS:
- those who know know. I'll be the only cool guy with one. Maybe a future collectible?
- but a lot of money to spend on a brand with not much history (no, I'm not buying to flip but collecting is about value and knowing your money is somewhat safe)
- if I don't pull the trigger if one is offered to me this year, I may never get a chance again

What do you guys think? Take it easy on me as I know this will stir up some strong emotions but I'm just being honest and transparent with my logic thus far. I'm open to hearing other perspectives. Thanks

JR16 · 3 January 2022, 05:06 AM

I’ve owned both but have let go of the DD40… it will always be around and available. FPJ is much more enjoyable for me to wear and much more special IMO.

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Ichiran · 3 January 2022, 09:53 AM

Get that CS!

vitalsigns · 3 January 2022, 10:09 AM

I'd get the CS. I don't worship FPJ like some others, but it's a nice watch. I'm not a big fan of Rolex. Too showy. The FPJ will fly under the radar. You and only a few others (enthusiasts) will know. That's perfect in my mind.

Skyrider01 · 3 January 2022, 12:20 PM

As an owner of several Rolexes and Journes, including a CS, I will favor a Journe any time. If you have the opportunity to get a CS, I would jump on it. They will only become more difficult to get.

uniqueMR · 3 January 2022, 12:58 PM

Journe

daytonaTBR · 3 January 2022, 10:12 PM

Cs

1William · 3 January 2022, 10:52 PM

I admire and like the FPJ and have almost purchased one several times before the current market took the price through the ceiling. In the end, I always fall back to the tried and true Rolex. While they can always be sourced they can also always be serviced and in a typically timely manner. I think Rolex in the DD model is iconic and will serve you a lifetime should you desire. If you have a deep collection and enjoy diversity and uniqueness then the FPJ could fit right in. I have checked all of my boxes with watches I desire and I have not circled around to FPJ but that is just me. Choose what you like and will wear. Let us know what you decide.

Krash · 4 January 2022, 02:54 PM

As much as I love the DayDate, I’d go with the FP Journe CS.

The platinum version on a leather strap is my absolute #1 grail watch.

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NYCWATCHCREW · 4 January 2022, 03:47 PM

CS! No doubt!

Justindo · 4 January 2022, 04:09 PM

I'd consider purchasing a FPJ CS. The Rolex Day Date...not so much.

Neom · 4 January 2022, 05:45 PM

Day-Date. Journe does nothing for me, not a fan of his design philosophy.

subtona · 4 January 2022, 06:22 PM

For a daily care free wear I would choose the day date.

If you have other watches and want something under the radar the journe is very special.
Only caveat is I really prefer the 38mm size that is not commonly available.

ap1 · 5 January 2022, 12:20 AM

Dd for me, for more worry free wear

DJ2020 · 5 January 2022, 12:39 AM

FPJ without a doubt.

Theothergreg · 5 January 2022, 01:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by subtona

For a daily care free wear I would choose the day date.

If you have other watches and want something under the radar the journe is very special.
Only caveat is I really prefer the 38mm size that is not commonly available.

I agree with you for the most part, Gus. The CS does not really fly under the radar, though. I think I've received more comments about my CS than all of my other watches other than my Urwerk.

subtona · 5 January 2022, 02:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Theothergreg

I agree with you for the most part, Gus. The CS does not really fly under the radar, though. I think I've received more comments about my CS than all of my other watches other than my Urwerk.

Fair point, it is a beautiful watch.

Was thinking about it from the view of safety, seems to be a rising concern.
Rolex can sometimes attract unwanted attention?

rockdrock · 5 January 2022, 05:54 AM

CS all day long.

Parapraxis · 5 January 2022, 07:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Krash

As much as I love the DayDate, I’d go with the FP Journe CS.

The platinum version on a leather strap is my absolute #1 grail watch.

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If I go CS, I'm debating between this version and the Rose Gold Havana Dial.

Thoughts on which I should go with?

stonejordan · 5 January 2022, 08:17 AM

I personally prefer the platinum as opposed to the rose gold, but that is because I think platinum is a lot less conspicuous. It's why I went with black label over boutique edition.

Other driving factor is that I am just generally not in love with the havana dial (probably a minority opinion on my end).

F131F · 5 January 2022, 09:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Parapraxis

If I go CS, I'm debating between this version and the Rose Gold Havana Dial. Thoughts on which I should go with?

Havana on platinum is gorgeous.

Skyrider01 · 5 January 2022, 03:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Parapraxis

If I go CS, I'm debating between this version and the Rose Gold Havana Dial.

Thoughts on which I should go with?

I went with this one.
Maybe not as versatile as the white dial on platinum, but the Havana is such a unique color and goes great with the rose gold.

nyc2la · 5 January 2022, 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by F131F

Havana on platinum is gorgeous.

I agree!

3 January 2022, 03:20 AM	#4
GB-man 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: USA Watch: addiction issues Posts: 37,355	I wish you had bought that Havana dial CS! That was you right? Get the CS if the opportunity arises again. The DD will be there. I have a DD40 and I wouldn’t trade my Journe for two of them money aside. I also don’t think buying a DD40 gets you valuable points with the AD anymore. They know these are now selling over msrp. __________________

3 January 2022, 03:22 AM	#5
beshannon "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Real Name: Brian Location: Northern Virginia Watch: One of Not Many Posts: 17,892	I would get the Journe if that was possible __________________ IWC Portugieser 7 Day, Omega Seamaster SMP300m, Vacheron Constantin Traditionnelle Complete Calendar, Glashutte PanoInverse, Glashutte SeaQ Panorama Date, Omega Aqua Terra 150, Omega CK 859, Omega Speedmaster 3861 Moonwatch, Breitling Superocean Steelfish, JLC Atmos Transparent Clock

3 January 2022, 12:58 PM	#13
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4 January 2022, 06:22 PM	#20
subtona "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Real Name: gus Location: East Coast Watch: APK & sometimes Y Posts: 26,599	For a daily care free wear I would choose the day date. If you have other watches and want something under the radar the journe is very special. Only caveat is I really prefer the 38mm size that is not commonly available. __________________

5 January 2022, 12:39 AM	#22
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3 January 2022, 02:35 AM	#1
Parapraxis "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2020 Location: Toronto Posts: 717	Advice needed: FP Journe Chronometre Souverain or a Rolex Day date 40? In 2022, I hope to purchase one of these pieces. Both are in similar price ranges, but completely different pieces so it's hard to pick a winner. Here's my logic: DayDate: - classic, iconic, speaks for itself (vs an FPJ which only one person a year will know what it is and will require explaining to everyone else) - big chunk of change to add to my spend history at the Rolex AD, which is much needed these days. - but I don't think they're as scarce as they're trying to make them seem, if not this year I'm sure I can pick one up in the future FPJ CS: - those who know know. I'll be the only cool guy with one. Maybe a future collectible? - but a lot of money to spend on a brand with not much history (no, I'm not buying to flip but collecting is about value and knowing your money is somewhat safe) - if I don't pull the trigger if one is offered to me this year, I may never get a chance again What do you guys think? Take it easy on me as I know this will stir up some strong emotions but I'm just being honest and transparent with my logic thus far. I'm open to hearing other perspectives. Thanks

3 January 2022, 02:42 AM	#2
GoingPlaces "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 5,356	I'll keep it simple. No expert on Journe but I'd go FPJ in this scenario. You can always source a Day Date but it seems like Journe is becoming a fairly elusive watch and something quite special. I love their pieces, definitely a future collectible. Compared to Journe, Day Dates are mass produced.

3 January 2022, 03:14 AM	#3
stonejordan "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: USA Posts: 40	As the owner of watches from both brands, I would also go with Journe. I will say however, that the waiting list for even the CS is currently past 2023. Of course, this assumes you're not buying from a gray dealer.

3 January 2022, 03:55 AM	#7
uscmatt99 "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Chicago Posts: 2,036	The Journe CS is a pretty special piece. It's the most uniquely laid out 3-hander manual wind with power reserve complication that I can think of and that's because the movement was designed around the dial layout FPJ wanted to achieve. For this reason, I prefer the CS to the CB. Thankfully I got it before the hype, I couldn't afford the secondary market prices today. If you haven't seen this article, it's worth the read. http://thejourneguy.com/rediscoverin...tre-souverain/ FPF CS by uscmatt99, on Flickr

3 January 2022, 05:06 AM	#9
JR16 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: USA Posts: 6,253	I’ve owned both but have let go of the DD40… it will always be around and available. FPJ is much more enjoyable for me to wear and much more special IMO. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

3 January 2022, 09:53 AM	#10
Ichiran 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jan 2018 Real Name: Michael Location: Near beach Watch: PB1967 Posts: 8,165	Get that CS!

3 January 2022, 10:09 AM	#11
vitalsigns "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2020 Location: USA Posts: 575	I'd get the CS. I don't worship FPJ like some others, but it's a nice watch. I'm not a big fan of Rolex. Too showy. The FPJ will fly under the radar. You and only a few others (enthusiasts) will know. That's perfect in my mind.

3 January 2022, 12:20 PM	#12
Skyrider01 "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Florida/Canada Posts: 1,312	As an owner of several Rolexes and Journes, including a CS, I will favor a Journe any time. If you have the opportunity to get a CS, I would jump on it. They will only become more difficult to get.

3 January 2022, 10:12 PM	#14
daytonaTBR "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: N/A Posts: 1,466	Cs

3 January 2022, 10:52 PM	#15
1William 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: North Carolina Watch: Rolex/Others Posts: 47,776	I admire and like the FPJ and have almost purchased one several times before the current market took the price through the ceiling. In the end, I always fall back to the tried and true Rolex. While they can always be sourced they can also always be serviced and in a typically timely manner. I think Rolex in the DD model is iconic and will serve you a lifetime should you desire. If you have a deep collection and enjoy diversity and uniqueness then the FPJ could fit right in. I have checked all of my boxes with watches I desire and I have not circled around to FPJ but that is just me. Choose what you like and will wear. Let us know what you decide.

4 January 2022, 02:54 PM	#16
Krash 2024 ROLEX SUBMARINER 41 Pledge Member Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: Florida Watch: Sub, DJ41, GMT Posts: 8,260	As much as I love the DayDate, I’d go with the FP Journe CS. The platinum version on a leather strap is my absolute #1 grail watch. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

4 January 2022, 03:47 PM	#17
NYCWATCHCREW "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2017 Real Name: Robert Location: Long Island NY Watch: The Hulk Posts: 823	CS! No doubt!

4 January 2022, 04:09 PM	#18
Justindo "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2017 Location: California Posts: 2,176	I'd consider purchasing a FPJ CS. The Rolex Day Date...not so much.

4 January 2022, 05:45 PM	#19
Neom Banned Join Date: Oct 2021 Location: . Posts: 134	Day-Date. Journe does nothing for me, not a fan of his design philosophy.

5 January 2022, 12:20 AM	#21
ap1 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: usa Posts: 19,537	Dd for me, for more worry free wear

5 January 2022, 05:54 AM	#25
rockdrock "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2017 Location: North Carolina Posts: 1,134	CS all day long.

5 January 2022, 08:17 AM	#27
stonejordan "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: USA Posts: 40	I personally prefer the platinum as opposed to the rose gold, but that is because I think platinum is a lot less conspicuous. It's why I went with black label over boutique edition. Other driving factor is that I am just generally not in love with the havana dial (probably a minority opinion on my end).

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