RSC modified Daytona

[Akacoke]

Hi TRF,

While I was browsing for sale watches, I found something interesting. A 116518LN Paul Newman Daytona with the new 126518LN Paul Newman hands from actual Rolex service center. As most of you know the new 126518LN PN has gold hands instead of the red and black hands. I posted original listing photos, the card says it's 2022 watch but I don't know why it had already had a full service, dial and hands replaced. Assuming this is legit, this means the hands are interchangeable between new and old references. and Rolex is somewhat willing to do it depending on reasons.

I've been chasing the 116518LN PN for awhile. My AD has a hard 1 year per watch (desirable models) policy. I just got a VTNR on jublee this month. On top of that My spending profile with my AD wasn't ready for a Daytona. Even if they have one now or get one in next months it won't be allocated to me. I really want the 116518, but I can't convince my wife buying this from grey even if the price is at retail from grey let along paying mark up. I can't even justify paying mark up myself. So My thought is I'll buy the new 126518ln PN then have the hands changed to the red and black set from old reference. So I get " the " watch I want. If this is all possible. Otherwise I guess I will make myslf "happy" with the 126518 PN with stupid gold hands.

Sorry for long post.


Sellers description:
RECENTLY RETURNED FROM ROLEX SERVICE CENTER WHERE IT RECEIVED A FULL SERVICE (REQUIRED) AND NEW "PAUL NEWMAN" DIAL, ALONG WITH NEW HANDS (GOLD SECOND HAND, AS SEEN ON THE NEW 2023 "PAUL NEWMAN" DIAL.

The watch has been sold sometimes ago. Here is the for sale link from one of the seller. https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=903854

[Pablito]

Unbelievable. They killed the very charm of this reference doing this. Aren't the subdials hands painted in black as well?

[Akacoke]

Originally Posted by Pablito

Unbelievable. They killed the very charm of this reference doing this. Aren't the subdials hands painted in black as well?

Yes. Red seconds hand. Black sub dial hands for old reference.

[HMHM]

I would say if you were looking at this specific listing and you couldn't convince your wife to allow you to buy grey, you should give her a big hug and a kiss to thank her. There are so many issues with this watch that I would not touch it even if I was given a 50% discount for it. The fact that it says service (REQUIRED) suggests that there is something more sinister than a cosmetic change.

The 116518LN with matte black dial (its not a PN dial BTW, forget what all these nonsensical GMD are trying to lie/cheat/deceive etc) is special due to its red and black hands compared to the 126518. Mixing and matching the 126518 with the hands from the 116518 is essentially creating a Frankenstein and you are destroying a perfectly good watch in the 126518LN. If you want a 116518LN with those red and black hands, get one in good condition or just get the 126518LN and enjoy it for what it is. It isn't that drastically different at the end of the day.

PS: The only current 12 generation Daytona that probably deserves the PN moniker is the 126529LN. The rest are just nonsense propagated by GMD to sell a watch that was previously languishing in the case for months. Nice watch, but not every watch is a PN Daytona just because some random idiot cum watch dealer said so. Rant over!

[Pablito]

Much more stylish !

[jb335]

That’s bizarre and a little hard to believe.

I own the outgoing 116508 so you’d think I’d be biased but honestly, I like the new one equally to mine. Totally different look. New one is more elegant and dressy and mine is super sporty. I love both…..equally





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[Pablito]

Originally Posted by HMHM

I would say if you were looking at this specific listing and you couldn't convince your wife to allow you to buy grey, you should give her a big hug and a kiss to thank her. There is so many issues with this watch that I would not touch it even if I were given a 50% discount for it. The fact that it says service (REQUIRED) suggests that there is something more sinister than a cosmetic change.

The 116518LN with matte black dial (its not a PN dial BTW, forget what all these nonsensical GMD are trying to lie/cheat/deceive etc) is special due to its red and black hands compared to the 126518. Mixing and matching the 126518 with the hands from the 116518 is essentially creating a Frankenstein and you are destroying a perfectly good watch in the 126518LN. If you want a 116518LN with those red and black hands, get one in good condition or just get the 126518LN and enjoy it for what it is. It isn't that drastically different at the end of the day.

PS: The only current 12 generation Daytona that deserves the PN moniker is the 126529LN. The rest are just nonsense propagated by GMD to sell a watch that was previously languishing in the case for months. Nice watch, but not every watch is a PN Daytona just because some random idiot cum watch dealer said so. Rant over!

True I never understood why it was called PN Daytona, but as you say, grey market hyping process.. By the way which issues are you referring to on this reference?

[jb335]

Originally Posted by HMHM

I would say if you were looking at this specific listing and you couldn't convince your wife to allow you to buy grey, you should give her a big hug and a kiss to thank her. There is so many issues with this watch that I would not touch it even if I were given a 50% discount for it. The fact that it says service (REQUIRED) suggests that there is something more sinister than a cosmetic change.

I totally agree.

The rest of your rant got a bit hyperbolic but you are spot on with your first paragraph.


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[jb335]

Originally Posted by Pablito

True I never understood why it was called PN Daytona, but as you say, grey market hyping process.. By the way which issues are you referring to on this reference?

When he said “so many issues with this watch” I believe he was referring to just this specific watch being sold, not the reference in general.

[HMHM]

Originally Posted by Pablito

True I never understood why it was called PN Daytona, but as you say, grey market hyping process.. By the way which issues are you referring to on this reference?

I was just referring to that SPECIFIC listing. The seller description said service (REQUIRED) which I think is a massive red flag for a watch sold in 2022. That is instantly a NO GO ZONE for any watch buyer. Appreciate the honesty of the dealer, but clearly there's something wrong until it needed a mandatory service.

[Akacoke]

Originally Posted by HMHM

I would say if you were looking at this specific listing and you couldn't convince your wife to allow you to buy grey, you should give her a big hug and a kiss to thank her. There is so many issues with this watch that I would not touch it even if I were given a 50% discount for it. The fact that it says service (REQUIRED) suggests that there is something more sinister than a cosmetic change.

The 116518LN with matte black dial (its not a PN dial BTW, forget what all these nonsensical GMD are trying to lie/cheat/deceive etc) is special due to its red and black hands compared to the 126518. Mixing and matching the 126518 with the hands from the 116518 is essentially creating a Frankenstein and you are destroying a perfectly good watch in the 126518LN. If you want a 116518LN with those red and black hands, get one in good condition or just get the 126518LN and enjoy it for what it is. It isn't that drastically different at the end of the day.

PS: The only current 12 generation Daytona that probably deserves the PN moniker is the 126529LN. The rest are just nonsense propagated by GMD to sell a watch that was previously languishing in the case for months. Nice watch, but not every watch is a PN Daytona just because some random idiot cum watch dealer said so. Rant over!

I get your point of view. And I agree only the new le mans daytona deserves and moniker of PN. The new 126529ln is my grail. I'll get one one day for sure. On the other hand . I would never buy a watch like that in that listing. There is just some many red flags. I was just surprised a RSC would do this and just figured I share and get options.

[Akacoke]

Originally Posted by jb335

That’s bizarre and a little hard to believe.

I own the outgoing 116508 so you’d think I’d be biased but honestly, I like the new one equally to mine. Totally different look. New one is more elegant and dressy and mine is super sporty. I love both…..equally





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I think that's why Rolex did it. But I really like the red second hand.

[Robf52]

Originally Posted by jb335

That’s bizarre and a little hard to believe.

I own the outgoing 116508 so you’d think I’d be biased but honestly, I like the new one equally to mine. Totally different look. New one is more elegant and dressy and mine is super sporty. I love both…..equally

Agree; but still prefer the red chrono hand.

[77T]

Originally Posted by HMHM

I was just referring to that SPECIFIC listing. The seller description said service (REQUIRED) which I think is a massive red flag for a watch sold in 2022. That is instantly a NO GO ZONE for any watch buyer. Appreciate the honesty of the dealer, but clearly there's something wrong until it needed a mandatory service.

Don’t forget that “REQUIRED” can mean Rolex demanded that work due to the prior owner asking for a new dial.

Briboxer has been a trusted seller for a long time.


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[Akacoke]

Originally Posted by 77T

Don’t forget that “REQUIRED” can mean Rolex demanded that work due to the prior owner asking for a new dial.

Briboxer has been a trusted seller for a long time.


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The seller stated it's a new dail but from photos it's the old 116 dial with new 126 hands.

[77T]

Originally Posted by Akacoke

The seller stated it's a new dail but from photos it's the old 116 dial with new 126 hands.

What differences do you see between 126 & 116 dials?

Due to the 6 o’clock index, there is no coronet printed on the dial.

Here’s the 126 dial…




Here is the dial you posted…



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[CarlOver]

If you were going to keep this watch forever and would have wanted to do this to a watch you bought from an AD, then the work is done. To me, this is a cobbled up watch with Rolex parts. Just because someone said they are Rolex parts, doesn’t mean they are. You will have a hard time selling this and explaining why it’s special. If you had the original parts, then your buyer could bring back to original condition. Best to you!

[Akacoke]

That how I was able to tell. Hour indexs have different sharps. The 116 is more round and bubbly 6oclcok is shorter then the 126. I was wondering why a RSC was willing to do that. I honestly don't mind a franken watch as long as it's done by RSC. I haven't sold any of my rolexs I know I won't sell a Daytona for sure once I get one But Never say never. I'm not paying grey mark up. My wife is firmly against it as well. So I'm getting the 126518 for sure.

[77T]

Originally Posted by Akacoke

That how I was able to tell. Hour indexs have different sharps. The 116 is more round and bubbly 6oclcok is shorter then the 126. I was wondering why a RSC was willing to do that. I honestly don't mind a franken watch as long as it's done by RSC. I haven't sold any of my rolexs I know I won't sell a Daytona for sure once I get one But Never say never. I'm not paying grey mark up. My wife is firmly against it as well. So I'm getting the 126518 for sure.

OK - I agree the dials do have those differences but I didn’t think that made such a big difference - I was incorrect - I did find a tiny coronet.


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