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RogerF · 9 October 2006, 03:53 PM

Why is it that the bracelet/bracelet models get overlooked so often?

I know that with panerais its all about the straps, but the bracelet is soooooooooooooo nice. I have recently been graced with a wonderful 40mm bracelet model chrono which I found absolutely fabulous. My friend didnt know much about it (he bought it because he liked it) but after asking around my friend Laurance was able to tell me that it actually had a great JLC movt in it.

Back to my reason for this thread, why is the bracelet so often overlooked?

JJ Irani · 9 October 2006, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by RogerF

Why is it that the bracelet/bracelet models get overlooked so often?

I know that with panerais its all about the straps, but the bracelet is soooooooooooooo nice. I have recently been graced with a wonderful 40mm bracelet model chrono which I found absolutely fabulous. My friend didnt know much about it (he bought it because he liked it) but after asking around my friend Laurance was able to tell me that it actually had a great JLC movt in it.

Back to my reason for this thread, why is the bracelet so often overlooked?

Good point, Roger. Personally I love the Panerai ONLY on its original SS/Ti bracelet!!

padi56 · 9 October 2006, 07:00 PM

They make a great bracelet quite expensive to buy separate,but myself prefer Panerai on leather.

hutchman · 10 October 2006, 01:22 AM

I don't claim to be an expert but I believe 40mm Panerai chronos use either a valioux 7753 or a zenith el primo movement. The only JLC movement used by panerai is in the 8 days line.

Is it a pam 72? I owned one for about a year and regret selling it!

Awesome piece either way and great movements!

Rockrolex · 10 October 2006, 01:25 AM

I have to admit, IMO most PAMs are too big for bracelets. Even the straps sometimes get big (e.g., see some of the examples Johnny has posted - note I did not say "horrible examples"

). But a bracelet on a 44 mm PAM would make the whole package seem enormous in my view.

haakon59 · 10 October 2006, 01:41 AM

My impression, somewhat like Rockrolex, is that Panerai's just look too bulky with a metal band, which has nothing to do with the quality of the band itself of course. Although Rolex offers a yellow gold Datejust with a leather band, to me it just doesn't look right and I guess that is because I always see Rolex with a metal band. So maybe this is all just conditioning. I wonder too if this "tradition" by Panerai has it's origins in practical concerns. Given that their history is creating dive watches for Italian frogmen, I suppose that they might have gone with a rubber band originally just because it is easier to adjust when you are putting on and taking off various kinds of diving equipment all the time. This is just a guess on my part because I have never asked anyone at the company about it. One thing I admire about the Panerai's is that they are quite legible--their dials make it easy to read the time and I understand they have outstanding lume too. Good question.

Rockrolex · 10 October 2006, 01:44 AM

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Originally Posted by haakon59

My impression, somewhat like Rockrolex, is that Panerai's just look too bulky with a metal band, which has nothing to do with the quality of the band itself of course. Although Rolex offers a yellow gold Datejust with a leather band, to me it just doesn't look right and I guess that is because I always see Rolex with a metal band. So maybe this is all just conditioning. I wonder too if this "tradition" by Panerai has it's origins in practical concerns. Given that their history is creating dive watches for Italian frogmen, I suppose that they might have gone with a rubber band originally just because it is easier to adjust when you are putting on and taking off various kinds of diving equipment all the time. This is just a guess on my part because I have never asked anyone at the company about it. One thing I admire about the Panerai's is that they are quite legible--their dials make it easy to read the time and I understand they have outstanding lume too. Good question.

Haakon, I've gotta disagree with you on one point. I've got a TT DJ on a leather band and I think it makes a great looking dress watch.

haakon59 · 10 October 2006, 02:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Rockrolex

Haakon, I've gotta disagree with you on one point. I've got a TT DJ on a leather band and I think it makes a great looking dress watch.

LOL. Well, I didn't mean to offend your personal sense of style, but I trust you understood that. I think this is the first time I remember seeing a two tone datejust on a leather strap though. I am going to have to lay down because the world is changing too fast for me!

11 October 2006, 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by hutchman

I don't claim to be an expert but I believe 40mm Panerai chronos use either a valioux 7753 or a zenith el primo movement. The only JLC movement used by panerai is in the 8 days line.

Is it a pam 72? I owned one for about a year and regret selling it!

Awesome piece either way and great movements!

I gotta back up Mike on this. The only watch Panerai has put a JLC movement in is the 190 8 day. All the chronos are Valjoux and Zenith models.

I quite like the look of the bracelet, but for me, only on a non-historic model. The bracelet gives it the ability to go in and out of the water without fear of ruining the leather, but then again, I prefer the leather hands down.

Launch Mini · 11 October 2006, 01:22 AM

Don't forget the GMT Alarm. That is running with a GP movement.
I think the bracelets make the Panerai's look too large. I tried on the 40 mm with the SS bracelet. Was thinking it would be a replacement for the Sub. BUT, it just doesn't look right to me.
The straps just are part of the Panerai look.
The 40mm auto Luminor has the same movement as the 44mm Auto Luminor, and I beleive that is the Valjoux. ( As evidenced by it's characteristic "wobble" )

11 October 2006, 02:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Launch Mini

Don't forget the GMT Alarm. That is running with a GP movement.
I think the bracelets make the Panerai's look too large. I tried on the 40 mm with the SS bracelet. Was thinking it would be a replacement for the Sub. BUT, it just doesn't look right to me.
The straps just are part of the Panerai look.
The 40mm auto Luminor has the same movement as the 44mm Auto Luminor, and I beleive that is the Valjoux. ( As evidenced by it's characteristic "wobble" )

Oh yeah... forgot about that one. But really, who ever buys the GMT alarm?

hutchman · 11 October 2006, 03:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Launch Mini

Don't forget the GMT Alarm. That is running with a GP movement.
I think the bracelets make the Panerai's look too large. I tried on the 40 mm with the SS bracelet. Was thinking it would be a replacement for the Sub. BUT, it just doesn't look right to me.
The straps just are part of the Panerai look.
The 40mm auto Luminor has the same movement as the 44mm Auto Luminor, and I beleive that is the Valjoux. ( As evidenced by it's characteristic "wobble" )

Now I'm confused GP (Gerard Perregaux) and JLC (Jaeger LeCoultre) are both independant manufactures, aren't they?

dman · 11 October 2006, 01:07 PM

The bracelets are awesome, but straps are what these watches are historically based on.

Here are a few of the outside movements that Panerai uses/has used.
Frédérique Piguet chrono
Zenith El Primero
Zenith Elite 680
JLC calibre.
"high beat" Zenith El Primero
GP Alarm

along with the many based on the Valjoux and Unitas/ETA movements.

dman · 11 October 2006, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by hutchman

Now I'm confused GP (Gerard Perregaux) and JLC (Jaeger LeCoultre) are both independant manufactures, aren't they?

Yes but they each have an exclusive deal with Panerai to supply the movements.

mike · 11 October 2006, 07:21 PM

I tried the 161 GMT with the bracelet and thought it was fantastic.

It may well be the best bracelet I've seen, but it is expensive.

JJ Irani · 12 October 2006, 03:27 AM

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Originally Posted by mike

I tried the 161 GMT with the bracelet and thought it was fantastic.

It may well be the best bracelet I've seen, but it is expensive.

Let's see a pic, Mike. Those Panny bracelets are magnificent!!

mike · 12 October 2006, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by JJ Irani

Let's see a pic, Mike. Those Panny bracelets are magnificent!!

I don't have a real pic of one. I'll try to find a scan somewhere JJ.
You are so right! The Panerai bracelet is so well made.

fat-sam · 12 October 2006, 08:19 AM

this is the one i fancy

mike · 12 October 2006, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by fat-sam

this is the one i fancy

That it! Cool shot.

fat-sam · 12 October 2006, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by mike

That it! Cool shot.

got em off google

p.s. i finally found a pic of my bezel(my new avetar)- is there a name for it?

RogerF · 12 October 2006, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by fat-sam

got em off google

p.s. i finally found a pic of my bezel(my new avetar)- is there a name for it?

I think thats called Engine Turned Bezel.

JJ Irani · 12 October 2006, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by RogerF

I think thats called Engine Turned Bezel.

Yes, it is!!

fat-sam · 12 October 2006, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by JJ Irani

Yes, it is!!

im dissapointed... i was hoping for something more exotic- they still make them nowdays(although they look different). my new camera arrived this morning so i will try and work out how to use it and get some pics up

madformac · 13 October 2006, 02:09 AM

It is an amazing bracelet that Panerai make. Maybe I'll get one when I lose my marbles enough to convince myself a couple of grand is just fine for a bracelet.

When I'm in a bracelet mood then its Rolex for me all the way. I think the oyster is the most comfortable bracelet on the market, even if it isn't exactly the most stylish.

13 October 2006, 02:15 AM

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Originally Posted by madformac

It is an amazing bracelet that Panerai make. Maybe I'll get one when I lose my marbles enough to convince myself a couple of grand is just fine for a bracelet.

When I'm in a bracelet mood then its Rolex for me all the way. I think the oyster is the most comfortable bracelet on the market, even if it isn't exactly the most stylish.

Hey, don't discount some of the aftermarket bracelets. Daren had one and he said that while it was a b!tch to size, once that was done, he said it was totally comfortable and just as good as OEM. (but don't quote me).

I like the bracelet myself, but wouldn't wear it on my historic.

madformac · 13 October 2006, 02:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Atomic

Hey, don't discount some of the aftermarket bracelets. Daren had one and he said that while it was a b!tch to size, once that was done, he said it was totally comfortable and just as good as OEM. (but don't quote me).

I like the bracelet myself, but wouldn't wear it on my historic.

Yeah I've heard some of them are pretty good (not the crap you see on fleabay).

I'm still a strap virgin myself. Got the OEM black gator on still but it is very comfortable. I've asked Greg Stevens if he can make me a strap or two in the coming weeks. I think a Crazy Horse and something else. Not sure yet..

13 October 2006, 03:12 AM

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Originally Posted by madformac

Yeah I've heard some of them are pretty good (not the crap you see on fleabay).

I'm still a strap virgin myself. Got the OEM black gator on still but it is very comfortable. I've asked Greg Stevens if he can make me a strap or two in the coming weeks. I think a Crazy Horse and something else. Not sure yet..

Greg makes some beautiful straps. For me it was down to a Crazy Horse or a Gabomagic and the Gabo won (greg's keepers are too wide for my taste).

But the CH is a beauty. Look at his Primo as well. Daren has them both and he says they're stunning!

Launch Mini · 13 October 2006, 06:35 AM

Here is a picture of my 210 Rad on the strap that Daren sent me a while back.
You can see the reflection of my office in my watch. LOL

Looking for something along Atomics Gabo for this watch now.

9 October 2006, 03:53 PM	#1
RogerF "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Real Name: Duh! Location: Toronto Canada Watch: a gonna do? Posts: 2,573	Question about panerais Why is it that the bracelet/bracelet models get overlooked so often? I know that with panerais its all about the straps, but the bracelet is soooooooooooooo nice. I have recently been graced with a wonderful 40mm bracelet model chrono which I found absolutely fabulous. My friend didnt know much about it (he bought it because he liked it) but after asking around my friend Laurance was able to tell me that it actually had a great JLC movt in it. Back to my reason for this thread, why is the bracelet so often overlooked?

9 October 2006, 07:00 PM	#3
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11 October 2006, 01:22 AM	#10
Launch Mini "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Real Name: John Location: Canada, eh Watch: can I? Posts: 6,240	Don't forget the GMT Alarm. That is running with a GP movement. I think the bracelets make the Panerai's look too large. I tried on the 40 mm with the SS bracelet. Was thinking it would be a replacement for the Sub. BUT, it just doesn't look right to me. The straps just are part of the Panerai look. The 40mm auto Luminor has the same movement as the 44mm Auto Luminor, and I beleive that is the Valjoux. ( As evidenced by it's characteristic "wobble" ) __________________ Something witty to go here. Member # 293

10 October 2006, 01:41 AM	#6
haakon59 "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Seattle Posts: 1,571	My impression, somewhat like Rockrolex, is that Panerai's just look too bulky with a metal band, which has nothing to do with the quality of the band itself of course. Although Rolex offers a yellow gold Datejust with a leather band, to me it just doesn't look right and I guess that is because I always see Rolex with a metal band. So maybe this is all just conditioning. I wonder too if this "tradition" by Panerai has it's origins in practical concerns. Given that their history is creating dive watches for Italian frogmen, I suppose that they might have gone with a rubber band originally just because it is easier to adjust when you are putting on and taking off various kinds of diving equipment all the time. This is just a guess on my part because I have never asked anyone at the company about it. One thing I admire about the Panerai's is that they are quite legible--their dials make it easy to read the time and I understand they have outstanding lume too. Good question.

11 October 2006, 01:07 PM	#13
dman Lifetime TRF Patron Join Date: May 2005 Real Name: Daren Location: Austin Watch: the road Posts: 13,585	The bracelets are awesome, but straps are what these watches are historically based on. Here are a few of the outside movements that Panerai uses/has used. Frédérique Piguet chrono Zenith El Primero Zenith Elite 680 JLC calibre. "high beat" Zenith El Primero GP Alarm along with the many based on the Valjoux and Unitas/ETA movements. __________________ You either get it or you don't, if you have to ask, YOU DON'T!! I really hope that midget cop doesn't find me in Kokomo.

11 October 2006, 07:21 PM	#15
mike "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 22,683	I tried the 161 GMT with the bracelet and thought it was fantastic. It may well be the best bracelet I've seen, but it is expensive.

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madformac "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2006 Real Name: Justin Location: Manchester, UK. Posts: 708	It is an amazing bracelet that Panerai make. Maybe I'll get one when I lose my marbles enough to convince myself a couple of grand is just fine for a bracelet. When I'm in a bracelet mood then its Rolex for me all the way. I think the oyster is the most comfortable bracelet on the market, even if it isn't exactly the most stylish.

13 October 2006, 06:35 AM	#28
Launch Mini "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Real Name: John Location: Canada, eh Watch: can I? Posts: 6,240	Here is a picture of my 210 Rad on the strap that Daren sent me a while back. You can see the reflection of my office in my watch. LOL Looking for something along Atomics Gabo for this watch now. __________________ Something witty to go here. Member # 293

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