Can ya'll help me figure out what's going on with this VC overseas gen 1?

[deebles]

I've been looking at this watch and discussing buying it. The seller insists it's a VC 42040 37mm. To me, this looks like a 42050/52, the 35mm version. There is no lume plot by 3, which is the tell to me.

But, the seller has sent me pictures with the caseback open and a movement marked 42040 in the watch, and pictures of the watch being measured are inconclusive because the measurements are so close. I'm wondering if there's a chance this is actually a 37mm case. Everything in my body says it's 35, but the engraving on the movement is throwing me off.

Has anyone here ever seen a 37mm without a lume plot at 3? Is the engraving on the movement conclusive? I want to call Vacheron to ask about this, but trying to explain it all without holding the watch feels like an effort in futility dealing with a large corporation.

Pics attached.

[Gebbeth]

If you have ANY doubt, why even consider buying it? Why even take the risk?

[EEpro]

https://www.atelier-orologio.ch/shop...stantin-42050/

[deebles]

Originally Posted by Gebbeth

If you have ANY doubt, why even consider buying it? Why even take the risk?

That’s why I’m asking you guys and also on a subway up to the VC store to ask them directly. I’m 99% not buying, but this is also an opportunity for me to better understand a model of watch I love. I’m genuinely curious if anything like this actually exists, whether I’m buying or not.

[deebles]

Official answer from VC is that it’s a 37 with a lume plot fallen off and that all models have 42040 on their ring, no matter the size

[BLACKHORSE 6]

So the watch is genuine?

[vitalsigns]

It looks 35mm to me. You can see in the first pic how he adds 1mm on the left by shifting the ruler. And the measurement should stop at the very edge of the case before the crown. It seems to stop at 36mm, but minus that 1mm it nets to 35mm. That's what my eyes are telling me. The other pics don't really convince me otherwise.

Also consider whether VC's measurements are done side to side (aligned with the crown, as performed by the seller) or whether VC measures diagonally (e.g., from immediately above the chrono pusher), which could add 1-2 mm given the slightly out of round case.

[deebles]

Originally Posted by BLACKHORSE 6

So the watch is genuine?

Yeah, it’s not like there are many fake gen 1 overseas floating around. It was just a question of if the seller knew what he was selling


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[deebles]

Originally Posted by vitalsigns

It looks 35mm to me. You can see in the first pic how he adds 1mm on the left by shifting the ruler. And the measurement should stop at the very edge of the case before the crown. It seems to stop at 36mm, but minus that 1mm it nets to 35mm. That's what my eyes are telling me. The other pics don't really convince me otherwise.

Also consider whether VC's measurements are done side to side (aligned with the crown, as performed by the seller) or whether VC measures diagonally (e.g., from immediately above the chrono pusher), which could add 1-2 mm given the slightly out of round case.

I thought the same, but Vacheron disagreed with me and I have to trust them


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[WatchTimes]

Id pass as even if its 37 mm its missing the lume plot which will require you to service the watch which wont be cheap

[deebles]

Originally Posted by WatchTimes

Id pass as even if its 37 mm its missing the lume plot which will require you to service the watch which wont be cheap

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[vitalsigns]

Originally Posted by deebles

I thought the same, but Vacheron disagreed with me and I have to trust them


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But does VC measure in-line with the crown, or diagonally, as I noted?

Also, I'd trust my own eyes and measurements more than I'd trust some employee who is telling me something that doesn't seem to comport to an objective measurement. But who to trust is entirely up to you, of course.

[deebles]

Originally Posted by vitalsigns

But does VC measure in-line with the crown, or diagonally, as I noted?

Also, I'd trust my own eyes and measurements more than I'd trust some employee who is telling me something that doesn't seem to comport to an objective measurement. But who to trust is entirely up to you, of course.

The employee ran the serial number through their system.


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[vitalsigns]

Originally Posted by deebles

The employee ran the serial number through their system.


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That doesn't address my comments, but no need for me to quibble. If you're satisfied with the answer that's all that counts.

[deebles]

Originally Posted by vitalsigns

That doesn't address my comments, but no need for me to quibble. If you're satisfied with the answer that's all that counts.

I mean, the comment was: do you trust your own eyes? I haven’t seen the watch in person and I’m not actually buying it so I’m fine with the Vacheron Database’s answer about the watch, nor do I have a great reason to doubt it.


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[vitalsigns]

Originally Posted by deebles

I mean, the comment was: do you trust your own eyes? I haven’t seen the watch in person and I’m not actually buying it so I’m fine with the Vacheron Database’s answer about the watch, nor do I have a great reason to doubt it.


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He showed the measurements, and they appear to be 35mm...that's what I meant. Also the diagonal measurement issue is a real potential. Anyway, good luck in your search.