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ral · 11 September 2009, 02:05 PM

From the pictures on Panerai's site the PAM 104 seems to have a closed 6.

From images from other sources it seems to have a open 6.

Can someone clarify this matter. TIA.

Bebot · 11 September 2009, 02:15 PM

Different year and series, maybe? That's interesting though.

Trurolexer · 11 September 2009, 03:45 PM

Maybe only angle of shot?

Bebot · 11 September 2009, 03:49 PM

I think it's clearly that one is close and another is open 6.

djhiram · 11 September 2009, 04:07 PM

All the PAM's I remember seeing in person have had open 6's. Interesting

UPDATE: I did a little research and found this on a Panerai Blog:

"The simple/short answer, with only a few exceptions, is that the “open 6” is representative of Historical Pams [112, 111, et al], whereas the “closed 6” is representative of Contemporary Pams [104, 123 et al].

Furthermore, the Historicals are open, we presume, because of the early usage of the sandwich dial that had actual "cut outs" to allow the luminous material to be visible. The 113 and other white dials are one exception to the Historical/Contemporary rule—there is not historical precedence for a white dial, and therefore we presume they all use the “closed 6.”

With a little further research it seems as though 2006 was the last year of the open 6 on the PAM 104.

I hope this helps but then again I am not an expert on Pam. Sit tight though, I'm sure the experts will chime in

sushisummo · 11 September 2009, 05:11 PM

Interesting.............

flickserve · 11 September 2009, 05:28 PM

After the I series, which means J onwards, the 6 on the 104 has been changed from open to closed. I have seen it up close and personal.

As for the reasons, well, I am no expert on that.

But personally, the open 6 looks better.

Hope this helps.

ral · 11 September 2009, 05:56 PM

What year did I end/J start?

TswaneNguni · 13 September 2009, 04:01 AM

My 104 is a J serial and has the "closed 6".

flickserve · 13 September 2009, 03:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ral

What year did I end/J start?

I am no expert but AFAIK, Panerai uses the alphabets for each Calendar year. I being 2006. But normally, there is a delay in the release to the market. So for the early part of 2009, it is the K series that is around the market. It is only this month that we see L series watches available.

Hope this helps.

Ranfni · 14 September 2009, 07:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TswaneNguni

My 104 is a J serial and has the "closed 6".

mine is a J and I think it looks better closed

ral · 16 September 2009, 05:25 PM

Thanks gents.

11 September 2009, 02:05 PM	#1
ral Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Philippines Posts: 650	PAM 104: Open 6 or closed 6? From the pictures on Panerai's site the PAM 104 seems to have a closed 6. From images from other sources it seems to have a open 6. Can someone clarify this matter. TIA.

11 September 2009, 02:15 PM	#2
Bebot "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Real Name: Emil Location: Bay Area, CA Watch: U macallit Posts: 2,645	Different year and series, maybe? That's interesting though. __________________ Emil --- __0 __0 __0 ----_-\<,_ -\<, _(_)(_)/_(_)/ (_)

11 September 2009, 03:49 PM	#4
Bebot "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Real Name: Emil Location: Bay Area, CA Watch: U macallit Posts: 2,645	I think it's clearly that one is close and another is open 6. __________________ Emil --- __0 __0 __0 ----_-\<,_ -\<, _(_)(_)/_(_)/ (_)

11 September 2009, 04:07 PM	#5
djhiram Banned Join Date: May 2009 Real Name: Hiram Location: Miami, FL Watch: 16600 Sea Dweller Posts: 1,233	All the PAM's I remember seeing in person have had open 6's. Interesting UPDATE: I did a little research and found this on a Panerai Blog: "The simple/short answer, with only a few exceptions, is that the “open 6” is representative of Historical Pams [112, 111, et al], whereas the “closed 6” is representative of Contemporary Pams [104, 123 et al]. Furthermore, the Historicals are open, we presume, because of the early usage of the sandwich dial that had actual "cut outs" to allow the luminous material to be visible. The 113 and other white dials are one exception to the Historical/Contemporary rule—there is not historical precedence for a white dial, and therefore we presume they all use the “closed 6.” With a little further research it seems as though 2006 was the last year of the open 6 on the PAM 104. I hope this helps but then again I am not an expert on Pam. Sit tight though, I'm sure the experts will chime in Last edited by djhiram; 11 September 2009 at 04:21 PM.. Reason: Update post

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sushisummo "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Real Name: JT Location: in a house....:) Watch: Hmmm......? Posts: 1,776	Interesting............. __________________ Collections: -- R-O-L-E-X --AP-ROO -- P-A-N-E-R-A-I -- B-R-E-G-U-E-T -- I-W-C -- B-A-L-L -- O-T-H-E-R-S WISHLIST: Too many to list...... Member #23367

11 September 2009, 03:45 PM	#3
Trurolexer Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: USA Watch: 5513MaxiI+PreComex Posts: 18,421	Maybe only angle of shot?

11 September 2009, 05:28 PM	#7
flickserve Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Philippines Posts: 33	After the I series, which means J onwards, the 6 on the 104 has been changed from open to closed. I have seen it up close and personal. As for the reasons, well, I am no expert on that. But personally, the open 6 looks better. Hope this helps. Last edited by flickserve; 11 September 2009 at 05:31 PM.. Reason: Added Pic

11 September 2009, 05:56 PM	#8
ral Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Philippines Posts: 650	What year did I end/J start?

13 September 2009, 04:01 AM	#9
TswaneNguni "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Real Name: Chris Location: . Watch: Daytonas/Subs/GMTs Posts: 12,609	My 104 is a J serial and has the "closed 6".

16 September 2009, 05:25 PM	#12
ral Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Philippines Posts: 650	Thanks gents.

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