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wegeman76 · 15 September 2009, 02:53 PM

Why do panerai fanatics think they are such great watches?

They are junk period.
I have owned 2 and both seem like overpriced inviktas to me

Alan111 · 15 September 2009, 02:58 PM

Because they are simple in design and are huge (2 reasons I dont like them). Panerai fans like their Panerais just like Rolex guys like their Rolexes.

To me, every Panerai model looks the same... very much like to the average guy, the GMT, Submariner, SD, DSSD etc all look the same.

KidK · 15 September 2009, 03:09 PM

I bought my Panerai PAM 90 in 2003 because they weren't popular and had a unique look. I didn't even look at the Rolex brand due to the huge number (real and fake) I see daily. Since that time Panerai has started making their own movements and while much more popular than in '03, they are still less common than a Rolex.

That being said, I just bought a Rolex (Milgauss GV) for my dad because the brand is more well known, which I think will add to his satisfaction.

Just my $0.02.

Defiancekofb · 15 September 2009, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by wegeman76

Why do panerai fanatics think they are such great watches?

They are junk period.
I have owned 2 and both seem like overpriced inviktas to me

I had couple of PAMs and reached the conclusion that it was too big for my small wrists. Which is why I think the Deep Sea is a crazy watch as well. But, to each his own.

Wolfgang427 · 15 September 2009, 03:20 PM

Personally I think they are too big and overpriced for what they are,

But I would not call them junk by any means.

dannyp · 15 September 2009, 03:22 PM

I find them a fad item. The huge, tank-like case is very representative of current watch trends. However, they are shifting more towards manufacture movements (as ETA tightens up who they'll sell what to). That said, a mechanical device built in Italy, designed for use by the Italian military doesn't exactly scream "precise and reliable."

sleddog · 15 September 2009, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by wegeman76

Why do panerai fanatics think they are such great watches?

They are junk period.
I have owned 2 and both seem like overpriced inviktas to me

I think JUNK is a strong word there ......
Pams have a huge following .....
I dont own one but would not tell an owner its junk nor would I tell my brother his Casio is junk!! The saying is "If you have nothing good to say,Don't say anything at all"...
Just my

MarJnK · 15 September 2009, 04:01 PM

I really dislike statements like the OP. There is no reason to trash someone elses watch or watch preferences. Panerais are not junk, not by a long shot. They make a solid well made watch with a unique look and bold styling. I have owned a PAM 111 and thought it was a great watch, but I eventually sold it. Not because it was junk, but because something else beckoned. I used to think that the Sub was overpriced, but I came here with an open mind and am now considering purchasing one, to keep my Deepsea company.

sakuraba · 15 September 2009, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by wegeman76

Why do panerai fanatics think they are such great watches?

They are junk period.
I have owned 2 and both seem like overpriced inviktas to me

Very strong post.

Please be mindful that although this is a Rolex site, there are countless Paneristi on this site as well.

layne · 15 September 2009, 04:35 PM

Although i dont i own one, i think they are far from being junk & always enjoy looking at them in the flesh.
For me, they are a little too big.

I like how they offer something different i.e. sandwich dials, upside down cyclops, unique flip crown, titanium. Not to mention different functions - rattrapante, flyback, depth gauge...

padi56 · 15 September 2009, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by wegeman76

Why do panerai fanatics think they are such great watches?

They are junk period.
I have owned 2 and both seem like overpriced inviktas to me

Dont think your statement was called for. Panerai make some very good watches like many other brands.And in future if you have nothing good to say about any particular brand keep your opinion to yourself this is a warning.And dont forget ETA movements are all in-house built and movements like the Unitas 6497/8 have powered many a high end brand for 40 plus years .A real workhouse movement, and in every Rolex for the past 4 decades there has been a little bit of ETA inside with the escapement parts,

Trurolexer · 15 September 2009, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by wegeman76

Why do panerai fanatics think they are such great watches?

They are junk period.
I have owned 2 and both seem like overpriced inviktas to me

Note. At least they can hold the price more better than Rolex...

JF23 · 15 September 2009, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Trurolexer

HaHaHa X 1000 Heru!!!

This same argument is so damn old. Not even worth a response other than my man Zeds sig line...

For those who know.. good for you
For those who don't.. sorry for you

Trurolexer · 15 September 2009, 10:44 PM

I was a "Rolex Geek" before, but now look at me. I'm trasform, and I'm so proud of mine today.
I had almost all Rolex sport models except Yacth Master, Daytona & Explorer 1.
I never satisfied, I don't know why. Bought flipped, bought flipped.
Now the only Rolex lefts are Date 1500 (Grandpa Rolex), DateJust 16233 (my Oldman watch) & Sub ND COSC.
Oh yeah, and I'm planning to flip my Sub ND for another PAM...

P.S : I'm still respectful with Rolex.

WatchSnob · 15 September 2009, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by wegeman76

Why do panerai fanatics think they are such great watches?

They are junk period.
I have owned 2 and both seem like overpriced inviktas to me

Ignorance... Do you have any clue how many companies use ETA movements in some of their watches? I guess IWC makes a bunch of junk watches, I guess Tudor watches are junk etc etc....

hutchman · 15 September 2009, 11:21 PM

Dont forget many high end manufactures use ETA movements including Patek in $100k + pieces. Are they junk too?

What about the zenith daytona's, are they junk?

watch-nut · 15 September 2009, 11:37 PM

Like any watch brand, some will like them some will not. Panerai are one of those brands you understand or you don't, i dont think the poster should be shot down in flames because they don't like them, maybe the choice of words was a little strong but come on guys rise above it.

I am a Panerai owner, an 88 a 119 and soon to be 121. I get the brand but i can understand why they have a die hard following but i can ot understand an AP royal Oak and many of my friends love them, they bring out one every time there is an insignificant event somewhere that they are remotely conected to nd for me they are Ugly over priced watches for over paid celbs, just my view.

The point is we can't all share the same veiws can we! even if some people put those views across in a slightly strongly worded way

Be happy guys!

PS: Not sure the mods should start issuing warnings becuase someone shares a different opinion however strongly worded, seems a little oppresive to me. Just my 2 pennies.

Welshwatchman · 15 September 2009, 11:41 PM

Don't feed the troll guys.

WTF is an invikta anyway?

KJacques · 15 September 2009, 11:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wegeman76

Why do panerai fanatics think they are such great watches?

They are junk period.
I have owned 2 and both seem like overpriced inviktas to me

Are you so desperate for attention that you post with the complete intention to inflame or upset other members? You haven't been here long and like many others before you who operate with the same agenda, your visit will probably be short lived.

There's nothing wrong with something not fitting your style and commenting on it. It's another thing entirely to take the tact you have.

It is sad to think of what is missing in a person's life that causes "troll-like" behavior.

cody p · 16 September 2009, 12:03 AM

ha ha ha, everyone gets so upset - like who cares what this guy thinks?

Dr.B · 16 September 2009, 12:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wegeman76

Why do panerai fanatics think they are such great watches?

They are junk period.
I have owned 2 and both seem like overpriced inviktas to me

Are you frustrated in some fashion or another....?

Tools · 16 September 2009, 12:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wegeman76

Why do panerai fanatics think they are such great watches?

They are junk period.
I have owned 2 and both seem like overpriced inviktas to me

Panerai got their big start with Rolex in the 1930's..

As an Italian Government owned company, Rolex made the movements for them and assembled the final watch before being returned to the Italian Govt for issue to their Navy...

Today, they are gearing up to make their own in-house movements..

While I don't particularly like the look and size, or the price........... They are far from junk...

mfer · 16 September 2009, 12:24 AM

There is an easy solution to this guys. Another one added to my ignore list!

done!

stek · 16 September 2009, 12:50 AM

Well like many here, I own both Rolex and PAM watches (and others) but these are the 2 brands are the ones I like most. No need to say why I like Rolex as this is a rolex forum but for PAM, the brand consistency across the entire range is admired. I mean, you can't mistake a PAM (unless it's a replica or hommage) for other brands and as a "jewellery" watch, it shouts louder than most brands. But the fun part is the strap changing - it makes owning a PAM so much more fun!

wegeman76 · 16 September 2009, 01:05 AM

Just voicing my opinion
I had 2 panerai's one had a flaw in the crystal and the luminor was like wearing a wood block on my wrist.

And the oem straps are horrible

Not trying to piss anybody off
I just don't care for there build quality

fine junk was a little harsh
They do seem to hold there value

Welshwatchman · 16 September 2009, 01:13 AM

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Originally Posted by wegeman76

the luminor was like wearing a wood block on my wrist.

Block of wood?

barista_krystal · 16 September 2009, 01:15 AM

I would love to own a Panerai. I think they are a damn sexy watch.
The truth is WHO CARES! Invictas are crap though. haha.

barista_krystal · 16 September 2009, 01:16 AM

ha, block of wood!

sandytn · 16 September 2009, 03:37 AM

Panerai makes some pretty good watches. Simple in design, very good looking and pretty reliable. I somehow like variety in my collection and have tried to mix my watches, by buying different brands, rather than sticking to one brand.

Current collection is Breitling Bentley GT, Panerai 176 K, Ferrari 1, Rolex 16610and IWC Portuguese 3714-01. Thinking of replacing 16610 with 16613 and adding SS-Platinum Yatchmaster to the collection, if I can swing it.

Having owned these, Pam remains one of my favorites. Read a comment about bad quality of their straps earlier in this thread. Their OEM alligator straps are amazing quality and are second to none!

TswaneNguni · 16 September 2009, 03:45 AM

Just changed from a dark tan ,with yellow stitch to a light tan ,with off-white stitch.

Panerai is exciting !!

15 September 2009, 02:53 PM	#1
wegeman76 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Real Name: Luigi Location: glenview Watch: Rolex GMTIIC Posts: 224	Panerai is a generic watch using eta manual wind movements Why do panerai fanatics think they are such great watches? They are junk period. I have owned 2 and both seem like overpriced inviktas to me

15 September 2009, 11:21 PM	#16
hutchman "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Real Name: Mike Watch: All things Patek Posts: 515	Dont forget many high end manufactures use ETA movements including Patek in $100k + pieces. Are they junk too? What about the zenith daytona's, are they junk? __________________ "There are three kinds of people in the world: those who can count, and those who can't" Warren Buffett

15 September 2009, 11:41 PM	#18
Welshwatchman "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Real Name: Paul Location: Wales, UK Posts: 14,578	Don't feed the troll guys. WTF is an invikta anyway? __________________ ..33

16 September 2009, 12:24 AM	#23
mfer "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Real Name: Mik Location: USA Posts: 13,724	There is an easy solution to this guys. Another one added to my ignore list! done! __________________ member#3242

15 September 2009, 02:58 PM	#2
Alan111 "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: NYC Posts: 1,605	Because they are simple in design and are huge (2 reasons I dont like them). Panerai fans like their Panerais just like Rolex guys like their Rolexes. To me, every Panerai model looks the same... very much like to the average guy, the GMT, Submariner, SD, DSSD etc all look the same.

15 September 2009, 03:09 PM	#3
KidK "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: SoCal Posts: 59	I bought my Panerai PAM 90 in 2003 because they weren't popular and had a unique look. I didn't even look at the Rolex brand due to the huge number (real and fake) I see daily. Since that time Panerai has started making their own movements and while much more popular than in '03, they are still less common than a Rolex. That being said, I just bought a Rolex (Milgauss GV) for my dad because the brand is more well known, which I think will add to his satisfaction. Just my $0.02.

15 September 2009, 03:20 PM	#5
Wolfgang427 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Real Name: Wolfgang Location: New Jersey. Watch: Rolex Tudor Omega Posts: 5,592	Personally I think they are too big and overpriced for what they are, But I would not call them junk by any means.

15 September 2009, 03:22 PM	#6
dannyp Banned Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: usa Posts: 6,765	I find them a fad item. The huge, tank-like case is very representative of current watch trends. However, they are shifting more towards manufacture movements (as ETA tightens up who they'll sell what to). That said, a mechanical device built in Italy, designed for use by the Italian military doesn't exactly scream "precise and reliable."

15 September 2009, 04:01 PM	#8
MarJnK Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Real Name: Mark Location: Canada Watch: Deepsea Posts: 184	I really dislike statements like the OP. There is no reason to trash someone elses watch or watch preferences. Panerais are not junk, not by a long shot. They make a solid well made watch with a unique look and bold styling. I have owned a PAM 111 and thought it was a great watch, but I eventually sold it. Not because it was junk, but because something else beckoned. I used to think that the Sub was overpriced, but I came here with an open mind and am now considering purchasing one, to keep my Deepsea company.

15 September 2009, 04:35 PM	#10
layne "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Real Name: John Location: Australia Watch: Rolex Posts: 253	Although i dont i own one, i think they are far from being junk & always enjoy looking at them in the flesh. For me, they are a little too big. I like how they offer something different i.e. sandwich dials, upside down cyclops, unique flip crown, titanium. Not to mention different functions - rattrapante, flyback, depth gauge...

15 September 2009, 10:44 PM	#14
Trurolexer Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: USA Watch: 5513MaxiI+PreComex Posts: 18,421	I was a "Rolex Geek" before, but now look at me. I'm trasform, and I'm so proud of mine today. I had almost all Rolex sport models except Yacth Master, Daytona & Explorer 1. I never satisfied, I don't know why. Bought flipped, bought flipped. Now the only Rolex lefts are Date 1500 (Grandpa Rolex), DateJust 16233 (my Oldman watch) & Sub ND COSC. Oh yeah, and I'm planning to flip my Sub ND for another PAM... P.S : I'm still respectful with Rolex.

15 September 2009, 11:37 PM	#17
watch-nut Banned Join Date: Feb 2009 Real Name: David Location: UK Watch: Too Many Posts: 88	Like any watch brand, some will like them some will not. Panerai are one of those brands you understand or you don't, i dont think the poster should be shot down in flames because they don't like them, maybe the choice of words was a little strong but come on guys rise above it. I am a Panerai owner, an 88 a 119 and soon to be 121. I get the brand but i can understand why they have a die hard following but i can ot understand an AP royal Oak and many of my friends love them, they bring out one every time there is an insignificant event somewhere that they are remotely conected to nd for me they are Ugly over priced watches for over paid celbs, just my view. The point is we can't all share the same veiws can we! even if some people put those views across in a slightly strongly worded way Be happy guys! PS: Not sure the mods should start issuing warnings becuase someone shares a different opinion however strongly worded, seems a little oppresive to me. Just my 2 pennies.

16 September 2009, 12:03 AM	#20
cody p "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Canada Watch: Air-King 114200 Posts: 2,878	ha ha ha, everyone gets so upset - like who cares what this guy thinks?

16 September 2009, 12:50 AM	#24
stek Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Singapore Posts: 20	Well like many here, I own both Rolex and PAM watches (and others) but these are the 2 brands are the ones I like most. No need to say why I like Rolex as this is a rolex forum but for PAM, the brand consistency across the entire range is admired. I mean, you can't mistake a PAM (unless it's a replica or hommage) for other brands and as a "jewellery" watch, it shouts louder than most brands. But the fun part is the strap changing - it makes owning a PAM so much more fun!

16 September 2009, 01:05 AM	#25
wegeman76 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Real Name: Luigi Location: glenview Watch: Rolex GMTIIC Posts: 224	Just voicing my opinion I had 2 panerai's one had a flaw in the crystal and the luminor was like wearing a wood block on my wrist. And the oem straps are horrible Not trying to piss anybody off I just don't care for there build quality fine junk was a little harsh They do seem to hold there value

16 September 2009, 01:15 AM	#27
barista_krystal Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Real Name: Krystal Smith Location: Kansas City Watch: a cheap datejust Posts: 70	I would love to own a Panerai. I think they are a damn sexy watch. The truth is WHO CARES! Invictas are crap though. haha.

16 September 2009, 01:16 AM	#28
barista_krystal Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Real Name: Krystal Smith Location: Kansas City Watch: a cheap datejust Posts: 70	ha, block of wood!

16 September 2009, 03:37 AM	#29
sandytn Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Real Name: Sandy Location: NJ Posts: 713	Panerai makes some pretty good watches. Simple in design, very good looking and pretty reliable. I somehow like variety in my collection and have tried to mix my watches, by buying different brands, rather than sticking to one brand. Current collection is Breitling Bentley GT, Panerai 176 K, Ferrari 1, Rolex 16610and IWC Portuguese 3714-01. Thinking of replacing 16610 with 16613 and adding SS-Platinum Yatchmaster to the collection, if I can swing it. Having owned these, Pam remains one of my favorites. Read a comment about bad quality of their straps earlier in this thread. Their OEM alligator straps are amazing quality and are second to none!

16 September 2009, 03:45 AM	#30
TswaneNguni "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Real Name: Chris Location: . Watch: Daytonas/Subs/GMTs Posts: 12,609	Just changed from a dark tan ,with yellow stitch to a light tan ,with off-white stitch. Panerai is exciting !!

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