Taylor Swift tickets resellers

[1st amg]

I have tried a few times to enter those lottery systems to earn the right to buy tickets for my daughter, but obviously failed. So, being a good dad, I have been following Ticketmaster and Stubhub to see if I can buy them from resellers for any dates in North America. Damn it, these vultures are worst than the grey watch dealers of Covid.
Tickets range anywhere from 3-12k!!!! And the tickets for 3k are behind the stage….do you guys think these prices will come down closer to the tour date? Will the resellers give in as their prices are astronomical? Advice needed for loving dad of 14yr old daughter!!!!!


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[77T]

Unlikely that resale price drops.

More likely a date or two gets cancelled if KC schedule had a date conflict.


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[TRS1]

3k each to watch the show from behind!?

[rolexpatek363]

Originally Posted by TRS1

3k each to watch the show from behind!?

The joke writes itself.

[AzPaul]

You think of all the things the government tries to regulate where there doesn't seem to be a need, yet in the case of these mega ticket resellers, the need is obvious, public opinion in support of changing the system is almost unanimous, but nothing gets done.

[Maleg]

It would be cheaper to fly to an overseas venue for a show than drop 12k per ticket local.

[enjoythemusic]

Originally Posted by AzPaul

When you think of all the things the government tries to regulate where there doesn't seem to be a need, in the case of these mega ticket resellers, the need is obvious, public opinion in support of changing the system is almost unanimous, yet nothing gets done.

With true and very sincere apologies... yet it is part of the capitalist system.

Supply <----> Demand


Am sooooo not saying such ticket pricing is 'worth it'. i remember when....

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[Krash]

The price is based on what the market will bear. It’s no different than the watch market. If they can get $3,000 for a ticket, then that’s what it will cost. All these concerts will sell out and the stadiums will be packed.

FWIW, behind-the-stage seats are almost always terrible. The sound quality is awful. All the speakers are facing forward, not backwards. The sound is engineered to project towards the audience facing the artist on the stage.


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[AzPaul]

Originally Posted by enjoythemusic

With true and very sincere apologies... yet it is part of the capitalist system.

Supply <----> Demand


Am sooooo not saying such ticket pricing is 'worth it'. i remember when....

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I'm all for capitalism but the question is, is the current ticket selling system fair capitalism or is it, by its design, denying competitive access to a good many would-be ticket buyers? From all I've read, seems pretty obvious it is. And if it turns out the scalping services are in any way aligned with the performing interests, that would be even worse.

[Krash]

Originally Posted by AzPaul

I'm all for capitalism but the question is, is the current ticket selling system fair capitalism or is it, by its design, denying competitive access to a good many would-be ticket buyers? From all I've read, seems pretty obvious it is. And if it turns out the scalping services are in any way aligned with the performing interests, that would be even worse.

I’m not sure the current ticket systems matter. If, for example, you can sell a ticket for $10,000, and someone will buy it, then that’s how much it costs. It’s just like your Rolex. If you can sell it for $20,000, then that’s the price.


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[SDGT3]

Originally Posted by Maleg

It would be cheaper to fly to an overseas venue for a show than drop 12k per ticket local.

^^^ This right here ^^^. Don't spend that much money to sit behind a stage... Concert priced in North America have gotten out of hand since Covid. People were flying to TS concerts in France and other parts of the EU where tix were 200 Euro instead of $2000.

[enjoythemusic]

Originally Posted by AzPaul

I'm all for capitalism but the question is, is the current ticket selling system fair capitalism or is it, by its design, denying competitive access to a good many would-be ticket buyers? From all I've read, seems pretty obvious it is. And if it turns out the scalping services are in any way aligned with the performing interests, that would be even worse.

100% agree with you, and the whole scheme of who gets to sell which seating areas, is a proverbial cluster.... Problem is, tickets are selling. If we saw a revolt against this scheme / profiteering and people outright refused to pay, thus empty seats....

[VictorGMT]

Originally Posted by AzPaul

You think of all the things the government tries to regulate where there doesn't seem to be a need, yet in the case of these mega ticket resellers, the need is obvious, public opinion in support of changing the system is almost unanimous, but nothing gets done.

It's a free market of willing buyers and willing sellers.

The government would make it much, much worse, as they always do.

Originally Posted by AzPaul

I'm all for capitalism but the question is, is the current ticket selling system fair capitalism or is it, by its design, denying competitive access to a good many would-be ticket buyers? From all I've read, seems pretty obvious it is. And if it turns out the scalping services are in any way aligned with the performing interests, that would be even worse.

We've learned that "but" reverses everything that comes before it.

Not everything we don't like or don't understand is bad.

The market clearing price is above what OP wants to pay.

While others willingly pay the price. There is no problem to solve here.

We should not step in and ruin it.

[Tri-Tip]

Vote with your feet, don't pay for overpriced tickets, demand drops, and prices drop.

I used to love to go to a baseball game a few times a year, now decent seats for two plus parking and food is a $300+ tab. At the same time, baseball is rushing the game with pitch timers, preventing pick off throws, starting with a man on 2nd base in extra innings, etc. Now 3 hours of entertainment is rushed into 2 1/2 hours.

F them.

[1st amg]

Originally Posted by SDGT3

^^^ This right here ^^^. Don't spend that much money to sit behind a stage... Concert priced in North America have gotten out of hand since Covid. People were flying to TS concerts in France and other parts of the EU where tix were 200 Euro instead of $2000.

Trust me I would do this. But as far as I know, the rest of the tour is in a few North American cities. Otherwise, I would definitely go to Europe.

I am hoping the prices come down closer to the date and hope people(resellers) will be stuck with these tickets at this price come show time.


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[AzPaul]

Originally Posted by VictorGMT

It's a free market of willing buyers and willing sellers.

The government would make it much, much worse, as they always do.



We've learned that "but" reverses everything that comes before it.

Not everything we don't like or don't understand is bad.

The market clearing price is above what OP wants to pay.

While others willingly pay the price. There is no problem to solve here.

We should not step in and ruin it.

You're focusing on price while I'm talking about access. And not just for TS, but for almost every big ticketed event around these days. The tickets go on sale and while John Q Public is trying to get in and access their own individual chance, these large ticket brokers are using automated systems to gobble up as many prime seats as they can in a matter of just a few minutes.

To give an analogy, imagine there's just one grocery store serving an area where there isn't another store for 100 miles. In the morning, a truck pulls up delivering the store all the milk it's going to get for a week. Then as soon as the store opens, one customer comes in and buys all the milk for a $3 a unit. He then takes it all over to his own little shop and offers it for sale at $20 a unit. He knows he's got the market corned and that people are going to pay him because their kids need milk and he's the only game in town. That's pretty much what the brokers are doing here.

[Barbara_C]

Originally Posted by enjoythemusic

With true and very sincere apologies... yet it is part of the capitalist system.

Supply <----> Demand


Am sooooo not saying such ticket pricing is 'worth it'. i remember when....

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5 Bucks for LZ or Foghat,I think 4.50 to see Elton in 73?
The last live concert i went to was cheap trick and Kansas on a date, have no idea what he paid.
To see TS you would have to pay me .....lots

[Maleg]

Originally Posted by AzPaul

You're focusing on price while I'm talking about access. And not just for TS, but for almost every big ticketed event around these days. The tickets go on sale and while John Q Public is trying to get in and access their own individual chance, these large ticket brokers are using automated systems to gobble up as many prime seats as they can in a matter of just a few minutes.

To give an analogy, imagine there's just one grocery store serving an area where there isn't another store for 100 miles. In the morning, a truck pulls up delivering the store all the milk it's going to get for a week. Then as soon as the store opens, one customer comes in and buys all the milk for a $3 a unit. He then takes it all over to his own little shop and offers it for sale at $20 a unit. He knows he's got the market corned and that people are going to pay him because their kids need milk and he's the only game in town. That's pretty much what the brokers are doing here.

You're looking for price gouging controls. Great idea, but hard to implement in a free market.

FWIW, we stopped going to events where we couldn't buy tickets at face value, for pretty much all the reasons you mention. The ticket resellers have deep pockets and are a much more successful lobby than the fans could ever be. Congress follows the money. All we can do is protest with our feet.

[Krash]

Originally Posted by AzPaul

You're focusing on price while I'm talking about access. And not just for TS, but for almost every big ticketed event around these days. The tickets go on sale and while John Q Public is trying to get in and access their own individual chance, these large ticket brokers are using automated systems to gobble up as many prime seats as they can in a matter of just a few minutes.

To give an analogy, imagine there's just one grocery store serving an area where there isn't another store for 100 miles. In the morning, a truck pulls up delivering the store all the milk it's going to get for a week. Then as soon as the store opens, one customer comes in and buys all the milk for a $3 a unit. He then takes it all over to his own little shop and offers it for sale at $20 a unit. He knows he's got the market corned and that people are going to pay him because their kids need milk and he's the only game in town. That's pretty much what the brokers are doing here.

Nothing is preventing us from putting together a start-up and building a competing system. We just need a lot of upfront funding, talented programmers, and some people that know the business. It’s not an easy market to break into.

It’s easy to open a nail salon. It’s not so easy to build a ticketing system business for sporting and entertainment events. Those systems are way more complicated than they look.


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[subtona]

Originally Posted by Krash

Nothing is preventing us from putting together a start-up and building a competing system. We just need a lot of upfront funding, talented programmers, and some people that know the business. It’s not an easy market to break into.

It’s easy to open a nail salon. It’s not so easy to build a ticketing system for sporting and entertainment events. Those systems are way more complicated than they look.


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Funny was just speaking with someone who is doing just that.


Ticket prices are selling at market value ~10x or more their face value…
for clarity, the artist doesn’t see that money do they?


Like the rolex AD bound to sell at msrp and the reseller (without overhead) who earns multiples of what the AD made?

[TimeLord2]

Originally Posted by Maleg

It would be cheaper to fly to an overseas venue for a show than drop 12k per ticket local.

This.
I'm in Los Angeles. My daughter actually did get the tickets through the lottery for two shows at SoFi Stadium. She said that prices go way down right before the show, if you are in the immediate area. It all seemed very sketchy to me when she did it for the Olivia Rodrigo show but it worked for her as usually you don't get physical tickets but a link to download. She was thinking about flying out to London for the Taylor Swift show but didn't. That said, she almost went because it was a lot less expensive doing that than going to a show in the states. Even with Air fare! I think I would rather see the London Museum. Good luck!

[VictorGMT]

Originally Posted by AzPaul

You're focusing on price while I'm talking about access. And not just for TS, but for almost every big ticketed event around these days. The tickets go on sale and while John Q Public is trying to get in and access their own individual chance, these large ticket brokers are using automated systems to gobble up as many prime seats as they can in a matter of just a few minutes.

To give an analogy, imagine there's just one grocery store serving an area where there isn't another store for 100 miles. In the morning, a truck pulls up delivering the store all the milk it's going to get for a week. Then as soon as the store opens, one customer comes in and buys all the milk for a $3 a unit. He then takes it all over to his own little shop and offers it for sale at $20 a unit. He knows he's got the market corned and that people are going to pay him because their kids need milk and he's the only game in town. That's pretty much what the brokers are doing here.

Nothing stops you from doing that. You don't want the tickets as badly as they do, apparently.

The word "fair" exists so children and the dimwitted can participate in arguments. PLEASE don't say it's not "fair".

Not everything you don't like or don't understand is bad. Read repeatedly until this urge to implement government "help" passes.

Originally Posted by subtona

Ticket prices are selling at market value ~10x or more their face value…
for clarity, the artist doesn’t see that money do they?

They do not. They worry their reputation would suffer if they sell at market price, so they give the margin to resellers.

[WatchEater666]

I have two tickets for December in Vancouver. Dunno if going though because my wife is quite pregnant.

[Krash]

Originally Posted by subtona

Funny was just speaking with someone who is doing just that.


Ticket prices are selling at market value ~10x or more their face value…
for clarity, the artist doesn’t see that money do they?


Like the rolex AD bound to sell at msrp and the reseller (without overhead) who earns multiples of what the AD made?

I wish him luck and hope he succeeds. In terms of artist cut, they get a set amount for the original ticket sale. I doubt they get a cut from any aftermarket sales.

Also, in PA, where I used to live, I think it’s still illegal to sell a concert ticket above face value. But only a small handful of states enforce that. It’s the Wild Wild West in most states.

It’s no different than buying a Rolex from an AD vs a gray seller. Rolex doesn’t get a cut from the aftermarket sale.

At the end of the day, you could blow-up all the current systems in place, start from scratch, and put all new systems and services in place, and Taylor Swift tickets will still cost what they cost today. It won’t make a bit of difference. The market sets the price.

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[RW16610]

Oh man, that's crazy. I'm hoping something can work out somehow so you'll be able to take her to a concert. Things have gone so far in this regard. Here's to you finding a way to make this happen for her!

[Phrank]

Definitely been going on for far too long.

I recall when "downloading" music instantly became an issue, music industry and artists went nuts, calling people thieves, people being sued, and it was all out to shut it down asap.

Customers on the other hand who would like to purchase tickets at announced prices, crickets....

[repoman]

The concert ticket scam is really infuriating in the USA. I tried to get a ticket to a popular artist playing at The Forum in LA, so about 17,000 seats. Tickets sold on ticketmaster, i logged in was in the waiting room, and when tickets are released everyone in the waiting room is "randomized" and put in the buying queue. I was #39,500. Mind you, for a 17,000 seat venue, where each person can buy up to 4 tickets. The event was sold out in about 5 minutes, and after 45minutes waiting in the queue, I had made it to #29,200. LOL.

I bit the bullet bought a ticket on Stubhub the same day (concert wasn't for another 6 months)... and prayed that Stubhub wouldn't F me over, as they make no guarantee's, just a "best effort" to get you a ticket. It worked out, I got my ticket transferred to me 3 days before the event.

Something has to change.

To the OP's question, should you wait and try to snipe a ticket the day of the show.. depending on the artist/venue that strategy can work, as resellers sometimes do get left holding the bag with too many tickets, but Taylor Swift? I don't see that being a likely scenario.

[btoolguy45]

Heard they lined the street the venue was on in Philadelphia and heard it well… do a quick search maybe. People parked near the venue and walked with chairs…


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[GB-man]

I don’t know nick but my gut says wait until 24 hours beforehand. What’s the worst that can happen? They sure as crap aren’t going up in price that late. People aren’t going to start laying 6k-25k.

I bet you can ask Reddit for the straight answer.

[Jackie Daytona]

Originally Posted by Maleg

It would be cheaper to fly to an overseas venue for a show than drop 12k per ticket local.

Feels the same for F1. Tracks are better IMO anyways!