A Thread About Nothing

[Gedanken]

Originally Posted by Lisa

By acknowledging nothing, doesn't that then make it something?

You got it!

[abigsecret]

Originally Posted by Lisa

Mireyna, I think your big secret is, maybe, that you have no big secret!?

Dammit Lisa, there goes my "being mysterious"!
You ruined my image now that everybody knows!
You call that sister-love??

Still love you though!

[rogerfromco]

Not to get too philosophical here, but I think nothing is only something, if the person who has nothing is feeling a loss due to the desire to have something in lieu of nothing! At that point, nothing is actually something. Thus nothing only exisits when something is not lacking.



How's that for double talk?

[arttay10]

Originally Posted by abigsecret

Dammit Lisa, there goes my "being mysterious"!
You ruined my image now that everybody knows!
You call that sister-love??

Still love you though!

Mireyna - Its my fault for encouraging the topic

I actually don't check the posts for a few hours and I miss all the fun

[arttay10]

I think your all getting confused...

Nothing actually = Something

Let me prove my point -

My other half says I've put nothing into our relationship... but I must of put something in - for her to come to the conclusion that I put nothing in, or else how would she know

Therefore: Nothing must actually = Something.

[Lisa]

Originally Posted by arttay10

Mireyna - Its my fault for encouraging the topic

I actually don't check the posts for a few hours and I miss all the fun

Ah, but I suspect our mysterious fair lady is purposefully misleading us.... the intrigue only increases!

[Launch Mini]

When someone says "I have nothing to prove", does that not mean they are actually the best at what they do, and don't have to prove it?
Just some food for thought

[arttay10]

Originally Posted by Lisa

Ah, but I suspect our mysterious fair lady is purposefully misleading us.... the intrigue only increases!

I think shes a high profile celeb - who uses this forum to 'Keep It Real !!!'

[59*]

Does the wind still blow all of the time in OKC ??

[Lisa]

Originally Posted by arttay10

I think shes a high profile celeb - who uses this forum to 'Keep It Real !!!'

I've thought that myself. I've mentioned this before, but on a ham radio forum my husband belongs to, he haggled and haggled with a guy who was selling some radio equipment. Made him send extra photos, too. Eventually he bought the equipment, and I saw the guy's name and return address on the box. I asked my husband to write and ask if this guy was really who I thought it was, and he did, and the guy wrote back, and we realized he'd been giving a hard time to.... Joe Walsh!

[Lisa]

Originally Posted by 59*

Does the wind still blow all of the time in OKC ??

Yes. Some of the neighbors lost some shingles over the weekend. Have you lived here?

[arttay10]

Originally Posted by 59*

Does the wind still blow all of the time in OKC ??

Is this post relating to something, or relating to nothing

[arttay10]

Ah - OKC = Oklahoma City

Being from 'Little Old England' the penny did not drop.

[arttay10]

Originally Posted by Lisa

I've thought that myself. I've mentioned this before,

Mmmm.... The Avatar is a bit part of the Mireyna's Mystery -
Is it her, or not
If not - why would she choose that particular pic

[Paulie]

But the nothing that is something isn't anything until it's thought to be something; Otherwise, it's less than nothing, it's a no-thing.

My not having coffee this morning to you is a no-thing; until I tell you, then it's now nothing to you but something you just read. Isn't that something?

[explodingtaco]

Originally Posted by Lisa

Now, anyone care to discuss whether nothing is really nothing?

Physics as far as we understand it seems to show that “nothing” does not exist. Therefore if nothing or “nothingness” does not exist there must always be something. Take for example outer space. Let’s assume for a second that you can go WAY out to the ends of all that is to a place where radiation and partials from all stars and any other thing has not yet arrived. This is a place of true isolation.

However Einstein first hypothesized (I think he was the first) and has since been shown to be true, that even in the nothingness of space there still is something. This can be shown by the presence of gravity. In this place of isolation, spacetime still exists; If I where to place an object in this place of isolation, I could curve spacetime thus showing that even in this isolated place something still existed. Also if there is any validity to string-theory (most believe there is, but I will not go into the evidence here), even if I was able to destroy all things observable by us (IE: all things encompassed by spacetime I would still have things left.)

Now if we get into the metaphysical we open a whole new can of worms. What exists beyond the universe. Metaphysics raises questions such as: “Is the universe all that is?” “Is there a god?” “If the universe ceased to be, would there be anything else?” And many more questions, but most scientist and philosophers agree that there must be an ultimate reality that is eternal and self existent. So this ultimate reality must always be, thereby eliminating the possibility of absolute nothingness.

NOW BACK TO NOTHING . . .

[explodingtaco]

Originally Posted by Paulie

But the nothing that is something isn't anything until it's thought to be something; Otherwise, it's less than nothing, it's a no-thing.

Sounds too post-modern to me. I dont have such a high view of myself to think that I create reality. What is is, what is isnot what I precieve it to be.


FYI, dont take me too seriously. My wife sure doesnt so neither should any of you.

[arttay10]

Originally Posted by explodingtaco

Physics as far as we understand it seems to show that “nothing” does not exist. Therefore if nothing or “nothingness” does not exist there must always be something. Take for example outer space. Let’s assume for a second that you can go WAY out to the ends of all that is to a place where radiation and partials from all stars and any other thing has not yet arrived. This is a place of true isolation.

However Einstein first hypothesized (I think he was the first) and has since been shown to be true, that even in the nothingness of space there still is something. This can be shown by the presence of gravity. In this place of isolation, spacetime still exists; If I where to place an object in this place of isolation, I could curve spacetime thus showing that even in this isolated place something still existed. Also if there is any validity to string-theory (most believe there is, but I will not go into the evidence here), even if I was able to destroy all things observable by us (IE: all things encompassed by spacetime I would still have things left.

Now if we get into the metaphysical we open a whole new can of worms. What exists beyond the universe. Metaphysics raises questions such as: “Is the universe all that is?” “Is there a god?” “If the universe ceased to be, would there be anything else?” And many more questions, but most scientist and philosophers agree that there must be an ultimate reality that is eternal and self existent. So this ultimate reality must always be, thereby eliminating the possibility of absolute nothingness.

NOW BACK TO NOTHING . . .

Good post - although I hope you pasted it
It seems this post, about nothing - is actually teaching me something. Even if it is about nothing

[explodingtaco]

Originally Posted by arttay10

Good post - although I hope you pasted it
It seems this post, about nothing - is actually teaching me something. Even if it is about nothing

Nope all original.

Yes I have too much time on my hands

[Paulie]

Originally Posted by explodingtaco

Sounds too post-modern to me. I dont have such a high view of myself to think that I create reality. What is is, what is isnot what I precieve it to be.

FYI, dont take me too seriously. My wife sure doesnt so neither should any of you.

But it's nothing to you until you perceive it. Just like the wife aiming a shoe at your head, when it hits it definitely something when before it was nothing but a shoe.

So the lesson of something from nothing is to wear a helmet?

[arttay10]

Originally Posted by explodingtaco

I dont have such a high view of myself to think that I create reality.

You dont think so - Evan with a name like 'MrExplodingTaco'

[Lisa]

Originally Posted by arttay10

Good post - although I hope you pasted it
It seems this post, about nothing - is actually teaching me something. Even if it is about nothing

Well, puffnmo, I TRIED to help you feel better, but it seems this thread about nothing has indeed turned into something.

[arttay10]

Originally Posted by Lisa

Well, puffnmo, I TRIED to help you feel better, but it seems this thread about nothing has indeed turned into something.

So Lisa,

It would appear that in you trying to do something for puffnmo - you actually ending up doing nothing for him

[puffnmo]

Originally Posted by Lisa

Well, puffnmo, I TRIED to help you feel better, but it seems this thread about nothing has indeed turned into something.

Lisa - That's O.K. - I'm feeling nothing at all. Isn't that something?

I think this thread is making me numb all over. Kind of like being in an isolation tank.

Well, I think I'll put in a white load. That brings up the never - ending debate on how much bleach to use. It's not good for elastic.

My wife and I made a deal long ago - if she will make the bed in the A.M. I will do anything else she wants (within reason of course.)

Well, I'm pretty bored now. Later... Larry.




Anyway, I'll check back later, if I can find time between loads

[Gedanken]

Originally Posted by Lisa

By acknowledging nothing, doesn't that then make it something?

Actually, taco's mention of physics does add a new aspect to your question. Nothing may not be nothing, but it becomes something when you think about it - it's a case of Schrodinger's cat.

[Letsgodiving]

Something from nothing means nothing. Isn't that a song? If not never mind. Pretend I said nothing.

[explodingtaco]

Originally Posted by Letsgodiving

Pretend I said nothing.

Thats not hard since you did say nothing (Or that is, you didnt say anything), although it will be a little harder to ignore what you typed!

[Launch Mini]

Thinking about math again
So if you divide ZERO by Zero ( 0/0 ) , you should be #1
So if your a Zero, your also #1

[BLSampson]

Going to look at a watch tomorrow.

[Incurable]

noth·ing (n¾th“¹ng) pron. 1. No thing; not anything: The box contained nothing. I've heard nothing about it. 2. No part; no portion: Nothing remains of the old house but the cellar hole. 3. One of no consequence, significance, or interest: The new nonsmoking policy is nothing to me. --noth·ing n. 1. Something that has no existence. 2. Something that has no quantitative value; zero: a score of two to nothing. 3. One that has no substance or importance; a nonentity: “A nothing is a dreadful thing to hold onto” (Edna O'Brien). --noth·ing adj. 1. Insignificant or worthless: “the utterly nothing role of a wealthy suitor” (Bosley Crowther). --noth·ing adv. In no way or degree; not at all: She looks nothing like her sister. --idiom. nothing doing. Informal. Certainly not. [Middle English, from Old English n³thing : n³, no; see NO2 + thing, thing; see THING.]
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USAGE NOTE: According to the traditional rule, nothing is invariably treated as a singular, even when followed by an exception phrase containing a plural noun: Nothing except your fears stands (not stand) in your way. Nothing but roses meets (not meet) the eye.
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ne. Important derivatives are: naught, naughty, neither, never, no1, no2, none, nor1, not, nothing, nay, annul, nefarious, neuter, nice, null, nullify, annihilate, non-, neglect, negligee, negotiate, negate, deny, renegade.
ne. Not. 1.a. NAUGHT, (NAUGHTY), NEITHER, NEVER, NILL, NO1, NO2, NONE, (NOR1), (NOT), (NOTHING), from Old English ne, not, and n³, no; b. NAY, from Old Norse ne, not; c. NIX2, from Old High German ne, ni, not. a, b, and c all from Germanic *ne-, *na-. 2. ANNUL, NEFARIOUS, NESCIENCE, NEUTER, (NICE), NULL, NULLIFY, NULLIPARA, from Latin ne-, not, and n¿llus, none (ne- ÿ ¿llus, any; see oi-no-). 3. NIMIETY, from Latin nimis, too much, excessively, very (< *ne-mi-s, “not little”; *mi-, little; see mei-2). 4. NIHILISM, (NIHILITY), NIL; ANNIHILATE, from Latin nihil, nºl, nothing, contracted from nihilum, nothing (< *ne-hºlum, “not a whit, nothing at all”; hºlum, a thing, trifle; origin unknown). 5. NON-, from Latin n½n, not (< *ne-oinom, “not one thing”; *oino-, one; see oi-no-). 6. NISI, from Latin nºsº, unless (nº, not, from *nei ÿ sº, if; see swo-). 7.a. NEGLECT, (NEGLIGEE), NEGOTIATE, from Latin prefix neg-, not; b. NEGATE; ABNEGATE, DENY, RENEGADE, (RENEGE), from Latin neg³re, to deny. Both a and b from Italic *nek, not. 8. NEPENTHE, from Greek n¶-, not. 9. Zero-grade combining form *ö-. a. (i) UN-1, from Old English un-, not; (ii) ZUGUNRUHE, from Old High German un-, not. Both (i) and (ii) from Germanic *un-;b. IN-1, from Latin in-, not; c. A-1, (AN-), from Greek a-, an-, not; d. AHIMSA, AMRITA, from Sanskrit a-, an-, not. [Pokorny ne 756.]