Apple Watch Ultra

[INC]

Originally Posted by asiparks

The sensors for the dive computer work on wetsuits that don't have skin contact so I don't know what the problem is.

That's exactly it. In this case you can't use the AW's features. So in my view the installation of these sensors for this version is a simple waste.

Do you seriously think divers were not consulted while spending years developing the watch's hardware/software?

I appreciate Apple. I think they are making extraimly good things, and AW is the product that changed the world forever. But when they use it for a purpose that makes it lose its essence, then it will be purchased mostly by the trendy young people to flash how cool they are.

I somehow don't think, but I can imagine that a professional diver or climber will trust his life to such a watch. However I don't think it would be a good idea to tell the idiots that "now they can bravely dive or climb a mountain" if they have such a watch. IMO in the idiocracy, it's not a good strategy.

More precisely, I'm not at all against this watch concept. So, for example, in my opinion, for not very extreme sports such as mountain biking, swimming, surfing, kayaking, it seems very reasonable to use this reinforced version, because you can wear your watch on your wrist in these sports. In these cases this casing could really be a feature and not a bug.

[Loujo]

Originally Posted by INC

That's exactly it. In this case you can't use the AW's features. So in my view the installation of these sensors for this version is a simple waste.

AW is not a Dive Watch only. It's full featured that can be used for occasional diving. Most people will use it for its non-diving purposes. Also, even Apple didn't advertise it as a professional dive watch "Made for recreational scuba diving and free diving down to 40 meters, with all the core features divers need. It’s also refreshingly easy to use"

[shaunylw]

This seems like a long term play to get into the garmin watch game. For triathlon, until now it wasn’t possible to wear an Apple Watch. Lots of runner, triathletes and cyclists have stuck with their trusty garmin. It’s a huge market, this seems to me like apples way to enter that market.

My garmin’s were never crazy expensive, maybe $300-400, but it’s also a watch i wear for 3-4 hours and take off. I would never wear it off the bike or away from the pool, this is an interesting option.


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[stephentross]

Agreed. The long term play is always what I am looking at. The Ultra is gen 1. Imagine what gen 4 Ultra is. Who else thinks they are already working on Gen 2 ideas.

[Gebbeth]

Ultimately, Apple's long long long term play is to transition all cellphone functions into a wearable, like a watch, and then add activity lifestyle functions like a watch, or fitness device.

It will be trying to keep you connected 24/7/365.

Then they will own you. Your life, your work, your fun, your health, your day-to-day bodily functions.

That is a dystopian future in my book.

[JR16]

Originally Posted by Gebbeth

Ultimately, Apple's long long long term play is to transition all cellphone functions into a wearable, like a watch, and then add activity lifestyle functions like a watch, or fitness device.

It will be trying to keep you connected 24/7/365.

Then they will own you. Your life, your work, your fun, your health, your day-to-day bodily functions.

That is a dystopian future in my book.

Don’t forget contact lens. The ultimate wearable!


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[shaunylw]

Originally Posted by Gebbeth

Ultimately, Apple's long long long term play is to transition all cellphone functions into a wearable, like a watch, and then add activity lifestyle functions like a watch, or fitness device.

It will be trying to keep you connected 24/7/365.

Then they will own you. Your life, your work, your fun, your health, your day-to-day bodily functions.

That is a dystopian future in my book.

They already own me. iPhone, iPad and MacBook Pro, airpod pros. I have no idea how to use any other phone, and haven’t used a windows computer in 10 years. I think they capture a lot of the market with the ecosystem they built. This is just another piece of the puzzle.


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[Andad]

Is this one cellular?

Can I make phone calls under water?

[Gebbeth]

Originally Posted by shaunylw

They already own me. iPhone, iPad and MacBook Pro, airpod pros. I have no idea how to use any other phone, and haven’t used a windows computer in 10 years. I think they capture a lot of the market with the ecosystem they built. This is just another piece of the puzzle.


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I guess what I mean is that even with a laptop, desktop, ipod, or ipad....these thing are not literally on you.

A watch, a wearable is, and they can collect much more information about you than any of those other devices can ever hope to gather. THAT is the play. THAT is what they want.

Information is king, and its collection and use are what ALL these other high tech companies are jockeying to get and command. At one point, they may even offer the devices for free just for the right to use.....essentially everything about you for their purposes.

[77T]

Originally Posted by shaunylw

They already own me. iPhone, iPad and MacBook Pro, airpod pros. I have no idea how to use any other phone, and haven’t used a windows computer in 10 years. I think they capture a lot of the market with the ecosystem they built. This is just another piece of the puzzle.


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Hey…to that, add 2 AppleTV’s, a MacBook Air, a MacMini, and 2TB of iCloud…then they pwn u!!!

Err… me…


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[INC]

Originally Posted by Loujo

"Made for recreational scuba diving and free diving down to 40 meters, with all the core features divers need. It’s also refreshingly easy to use"

Well you are right, I haven't read everything about this watch. I simply relied to Apple's advertisement messages:

https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2022/09/introducing-apple-watch-ultra/

The on-wrist operating temperature was designed to help explore the most extreme and remote locations, from freezing cold mountains at -4° F (-20° C) to the blazing desert heat at 131° F (55° C).[4]

[...]

4: Extreme temperatures may impact some features. For more information, refer to the user guide.

This means, that you can't risk your life closing to -4° F, as the features shuts down continously. In this aspect it's also an important thing to mention, that in a windy condition the watch surface's temperature could be far lower then the ambient temperature, so the operating temperature is far lower then the advertised values.

Also please refer to this:

Apple Watch Ultra has enough battery life for most users to complete a long-course triathlon, consisting of a 2.4-mile swim, 112-mile bike ride, and full marathon at 26.2 miles.

Which distances equals to the Ironman triatlon, which is definitely not suitable for amateurs. However, in this sport the AVERAGE time is about 13-13.5hrs, while it can't exceed 17 hrs. So if we believe Apple, then the battery life can't succeed the 17 hrs, and probably no more then 13-13.5 hrs IF you use the features of the watch.

Therefore I told, this watch can be good for several extreme sports, but not for the real extreme sports, while it's definitely not a comfortable daily wearer with it's whale box design.

Therefore I think, that in this case Apple found an aswer for a question nobody asked for. But of course, it's my humble opinion only.

[Grand Style]

Originally Posted by shaunylw

They already own me. iPhone, iPad and MacBook Pro, airpod pros. I have no idea how to use any other phone, and haven’t used a windows computer in 10 years. I think they capture a lot of the market with the ecosystem they built. This is just another piece of the puzzle.


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Apple's market share:
https://netmarketshare.com/apple-mar...%22-1000%22%7D

[jonnythrust]

Haven't read the full thread but as an actual dive computer it doesn't look great, esp as depth rating for the computer is capped at 40m.

For a rough equivalent cost you can buy a shearwater.

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[stockae92]

I can see Apple is trying. But its not even close. I still pick my Garmin over Apple watch in every situation (for me).

Good effort. Can't wait to what they will bring next year.

[Grand Style]

Just saw this. What if Apple Watch could play the TV?
https://www.theverge.com/23342927/ap...ultra-tv-watch

[Mr.Mcfly]

I love disposable watches! Just won’t buy one. They have a purpose but are definitely lost on me.

[daveathall]

For most people's needs, this has exactly the same features as a AW8 except, larger screen size and twice the price.

[Gebbeth]

Originally Posted by daveathall

for most people's needs, this has exactly the same features as a aw8 except, larger screen size and twice the price.

"but but but, it's this year's model!!!!"

[ScrantonStrangler]

Originally Posted by daveathall

For most people's needs, this has exactly the same features as a AW8 except, larger screen size and twice the price.

It’s the same price as the Titanium AW7 and has essentially the same screen size...the case is larger and has double the battery life, though…a much more compelling reason for a lot of folks wanting this model.

[logo]

This watch is intriguing. I like the titanium case, the added GPS and some of the features typically found on Garmin watches, but the Apple battery life basically eliminates this from being considered a real adventure watch. As someone else mentioned, this seems more for someone who escapes the office for an early weekend and wants to go seamlessly into activity mode wearing a watch that can do both office and the woods (generally on-grid stuff) on the same day. I’m currently considering the Garmin Tactix Pro, which seems to have everything you’d ever want for an explorer watch, but I doubt I’d ever wear it outside of its intended activities - not crazy about digital watches and being super “connected”, which I guess is another benefit of Garmin for me over Apple, but I would enjoy getting an adventure watch that I can enjoy wearing more regularly. To that end, my outdoor activity is not really multi day off-grid stuff, and the Omega Ultradeep, Rolex OP and Exp1/2, and panerai carbotech are pretty cool luxury mechanical options - obviously not at all the same thing as the Garmins /Apple and I’d be missing many very helpful tech features.

I do find it funny that my Speedmaster 321 is technically qualified to higher temperature specs than either of these digital adventurer watches. Guess if it can go to the moon it can survive a few hours in the mountains.

[ChaseATX]

Size reference

[Gebbeth]

I must say, despite my posts on this subject, I am not per se against smart watches. They are obviously useful in many ways. So long as you understand what you might be giving away when you wear one, that's fine too.

For me though, I just don't need another screen in my life. I do not need another device that knows where I am, and perhaps what I am doing, and wants to notify me of one thing or another.

I simply have no need or desire to stay "connected" all the time. I guess I've already reached saturation point.

In my life, it would be a solution looking for a problem, and the funny thing about these things is that, in my opinion, they will find or perhaps create a problem for the next year's model to "solve."

[Tricolore66]

Yes on cellular, no on underwater phone calls!

I've had one for a few weeks, and this is the first Apple Watch that I really love. The battery life, screen size and brightness have always been an issue for me, but the Ultra got all of these things right. It's really a game changer in my opinion. Some of the new dials and complications are super cool, especially the moonphase dial that you can rotate through the day with the crown and see the moon change with the date.

Originally Posted by Andad

Is this one cellular?

Can I make phone calls under water?