I was told my 5513 is relumed and has aftermarket hands!!!

[BASSETHOUNDS]

Originally Posted by kyle L

... the rest but are all original.

What makes you think that ?
:r ofl:

[Nicko]

Originally Posted by mike

Sweet. I'm glad we're getting this worked out.

Steve, for what it's worth I stared at your watch and compared it to known examples I have on file and I couldn't see anything wrong.

Seems fine to me.

Mike, thanks for opening this back up, and thanks for the research, I too have been looking around and couldn't see anything wrong either. I was told it just looked too nice to be real, this is what was claimed by Steve M told to him by nbtimes.

Coño! Que mucho te preocupas! Your 5513 is all original!

Es "Que te preoculpes mucho" Vamos, un gringo tiene que enseñarte tu lengua madre. ¡Que verguenza hombre!

Nicko, I know how it feels.. like Rolex telling me the bezel ring is non Rolex on my father's watch...and will not say why..

It Sucks!

We would still like to know what and why Ben thought the dial had been touched and the hands are not Rolex. What key points was he looking at?

Me too, me too....

[Welshwatchman]

It has been mentioned that the minute hand is too long for a metres first model.

I can't comment myself but am aware that certain models have crossover features due to Rolex being flexible with their parts bin.

Perhaps this statement could be elaborated upon or disproved.

Several "face on" pics of metres first 5513s would be useful.

Nothing more has been said about the "relume".

[Nicko]

Originally Posted by Welshwatchman

It has been mentioned that the minute hand is too long for a metres first model.

I can't comment myself but am aware that certain models have crossover features due to Rolex being flexible with their parts bin.

Perhaps this statement could be elaborated upon or disproved.

Several "face on" pics of metres first 5513s would be useful.

Nothing more has been said about the "relume".

I have heard this before, but as stated Rolex was very liberal with parts and used pretty much whatever they could. I have seen shorter and longer versions. This is in no way a dealbreaker with this watch, it's not relumed, the hands match the plots fairly well which leads me to believe they aged with the watch and are original.

[datejust1]

Originally Posted by Nicko

Es "Que te preoculpes mucho" Vamos, un gringo tiene que enseñarte tu lengua madre. ¡Que verguenza hombre!

Que verguenza. xD

[springer]

I started reading this thread tonight and it was interesting. I see nothing to indicate a relume based on the pics, but that is not 100% since you need to have the watch in person for a proper examination.

The hands are old and aged, and appear to be genuine Rolex hands. Nothing indicates that they are aftermarket. But, that doesn't mean they weren't changed somewhere along the way from the original hands by some watchmaker somewhere.

Many of the guys dealing in vintage watches will change hands, dials, etc. to enhance the value of the watch. Everyone wants a vintage Rolex where all the patinas match perfectly. (This is not a crime. Rolex changes hands and dials all the time.) Dealers know this and will change out parts to match patina of dials or hands. I've seen many vintage watches for sale that have newer, non-tritium hands with an aged, yellow or brown dial markers. They look terrible together. Other times, the dial is whiter than the hands.

My point is, dials and hands are changed quite often to enhance the beauty of a vintage watch. Although I do not engage in this practice, since I am not a watchmaker and limit my tinkering to polishing bands and changing bezel inserts, I do prefer vintage watches where the patina from the hands match the dial. Others prefer the whiter dials, which is all personal preference.

So, based on my years of training, experience and forensics, I'd like to know how someone could say this dial is relumed, absent any obvious indications that it is relumed, without examining it - unless he knows something that he isn't saying.

Here is a pic of my 1972 Submariner 5513. Although the patina looks like it matches in the pics, the shading on the hands is a bit darker than the dial markers.
JP

[sturgeon123456]

Wow very interesting read, it is very important to deal with reputable sellers, which the op obviously did. That is the lesson we can all learn. Imagine if this watch was purchased from some shady watch seller......the op would have had a stroke worrying.