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Old 17 September 2012, 03:59 AM   #1
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Hate to tell you this, but the notion that a vette is a straight line only car is dead. The Z will kick most P cars a$$es anytime anywhere.

Agree, to an extent..

Key word, will kick MOST P car asses, because to compare apples to apples would only be fair.. A z06 will obviously stomp a cayman s, however the cayman is 100x more balanced and a drivers car.. Hence it beat the z06 in the best drivers car challenge

Z06 is a fantastic ride, for sure, I like them a lot but to me when comparing to its equal counterpart and comparison in the Porsche world my gt2 is just 100 x more connected/visceral and sharp... The vette surely is fast and handles pretty damn well now, but is blunted in driver feel through that steering wheel, which I hate!

Anyway diff cars for diff drivers, all great machinery.

Let me ask you though, and it's a serious question not being a D, did they fix the oil sumps in the z06's? I know a lot of them were having oil starvation and blowing motors on the track??
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Old 18 September 2012, 01:38 AM   #2
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Hate to tell you this, but the notion that a vette is a straight line only car is dead. The Z will kick most P cars a$$es anytime anywhere.
Are you really saying a Vette can keep up with a Porsche on curvy roads??? That's novel.
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Old 18 September 2012, 02:29 AM   #3
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Are you really saying a Vette can keep up with a Porsche on curvy roads??? That's novel.
Did you miss my post above with the Nurburgring list? The Z06 was also much faster than all the other 'drivers cars' in the post iiGT2 referenced.
Heres another list from C&D's Lightning lap series. The Z06 and ZR1 bested all Porsches at Virginia International Raceway.
http://www.caranddriver.com/features...to-2011-page-8

Maybe you're talking about tooling around at 40mph on a slow windy road on a Sunday afternoon with grandma sitting next to you because I have no idea what you're talking about, but where the rubber meets the road and drivers push cars to the limit, Corvette is a force to be reckoned with. I think most people who drive real sports cars will admit, Corvettes can indeed "keep up with Porsches on curvy roads".
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Old 18 September 2012, 02:39 AM   #4
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Did you miss my post above with the Nurburgring list? The Z06 was also much faster than all the other 'drivers cars' in the post iiGT2 referenced.
Heres another list from C&D's Lightning lap series. The Z06 and ZR1 bested all Porsches at Virginia International Raceway.
http://www.caranddriver.com/features...to-2011-page-8

Maybe you're talking about tooling around at 40mph on a slow windy road on a Sunday afternoon with grandma sitting next to you because I have no idea what you're talking about, but where the rubber meets the road and drivers push cars to the limit, Corvette is a force to be reckoned with. I think most people who drive real sports cars will admit, Corvettes can indeed "keep up with Porsches on curvy roads".
No didn't see your post. I don't picture that car as a road hugger, but that's impressive if they did well around a curvy track.
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Old 17 September 2012, 09:46 PM   #5
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The joy of driving isn't necessarily who goes the fastest in a straight road. Nothing like a good twisty road, and not many cars like a Porsche 911 for this.
Im posting up a link for the fastest Nurburgring Nordschleife laps. The "North Loop" is known for its 73 hair raising, very fast, dangerous turns.The gold standard for testing the best factory stock sports cars. The Corvette Z06 comes in with a more than respectable 8th place showing. Thats faster than every street legal P-car with the exception of one, the latest GT2. The Z06 is faster than the earlier GT2's. The Corvette even bested the pride of the German company, the latest pinnacle GT3.

Driver feel, balanced, blunted are all subjective, personal things like, what won a magazines "best drivers car challenge"(which the Vette was faster around the track with turns than the Ferrari 458 Italia, GTR and GT3, all the cars in that test for that matter). One persons balance isnt exactly anothers. The Corvette is not a drag racer meant for 1/4 mile runs. Its a world class sports car that handles with the worlds best. Give credit where credit is due.
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Old 18 September 2012, 01:36 AM   #6
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The joy of driving isn't necessarily who goes the fastest in a straight road. Nothing like a good twisty road, and not many cars like a Porsche 911 for this.
x2. I have no interest in raw power off the line - nothing like a Porsche (or other German counter-part) to hug curvy fun roads.
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Old 8 June 2012, 04:28 PM   #7
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I'm inclined to agree with the OP up to some extent. The majority of new designs from the house of Porsche look like things a marginally talented 5 year old would put together if asked to draw a car. The cayenne is perhaps the ugliest SUV in existence; the Hannibal lector comparison seemed very apt. As for the panemera: beautiful exterior, but looks the product of a drunken rendezvous between a 911 and a Bentley continental.

However, i think the new Carreras are exactly what the evolved ones should look like. A little beefy but true to their heritage and in line with prior demands.

Don't get me started on BMW. Bangle created some stylistic nightmares in his time, and is finally going the right way. If it wasn't for a growing middle/upper class in the early 2000s driving BMW sales, he would have lost his job a long time back
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Old 8 June 2012, 06:29 PM   #8
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i have to respectfully disagree with respect to the new 911, boxster and cayman. all three models are both beautiful and beastly in my eyes, and represent great progress from the late 90s and early-to-mid 2000s, when, in my opinion, the 911 seemed bloated and the boxster looked a little wimpy.

and don't forget the interiors, which have made tremendous progress from where they used to be.

the classics are great, but, that's what they are, classics. things evolve, and i think that, at least with respect to these three models, porsche (under VW) is going in the right direction.









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Since I started the controversy I should say I think the new 911 and Boxster look great as well and would love one, jury for me is still out on the new Cayman, for me while it is mechanically terrific it still does not look as consistent as the Boxster, and is starting to look a little like an Exige in these photos. That still leaves the Cayenne and Panamera as shockers!!!!!!

I am a little worried about the move to different steering, I dont see what is wrong with what we have all loved for so long.
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Old 8 June 2012, 07:30 PM   #10
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That still leaves the Cayenne and Panamera as shockers!!!!!!


don't forget the pajun! click here.






and the macan! (click here).




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Old 8 June 2012, 07:56 PM   #11
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don't forget the pajun! click here.






and the macan! (click here).




Omg! You have to b kidding' me! The Panjun?!? Wtf??? What kind of Mickey Mouse fous group was conducted to come up with THAT name?
Why do they keep making these cars? Is it VW? You don't see Fiat pushing Ferrari to make "sensible" sedans. A mid size four door? Poor Ferry he must b turning in his grave.
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Old 8 June 2012, 08:11 PM   #12
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Omg! You have to b kidding' me! The Panjun?!? Wtf??? What kind of Mickey Mouse fous group was conducted to come up with THAT name?


it was first referred to as the cajun, if i remember correctly. i guess they swapped the "c" with a "p" since they are porsche.
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Old 9 June 2012, 01:43 AM   #13
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Since I started the controversy I should say I think the new 911 and Boxster look great as well and would love one, jury for me is still out on the new Cayman, for me while it is mechanically terrific it still does not look as consistent as the Boxster, and is starting to look a little like an Exige in these photos. That still leaves the Cayenne and Panamera as shockers!!!!!!

I am a little worried about the move to different steering, I dont see what is wrong with what we have all loved for so long.
Have you driven the 991?? You cannot even tell there is any electro servo steering to speak of.. It's a fantstic ride, still gives all of the feedback you want, with more amenities... Even the standard exhaust on the S, non sport burbled growled and sounded fantastic, and that pdk? LOVE It!!!

PS, am I the only one who loves the Cayenne and Panamera? I had a Panamera and LOVEEEEDDDD IT! My e60 M5 however is way more fun
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About the Macan....all these sharing between Audi, VW bin parts. It's NOT a Porsche anymore! Just bc you rebadge a Tiguan or baby Audi SUV witha Porsche emblem and a few changes inside and out.
For all that oppose my view: how would you like your Rolex to be swapped internally with a Swatch source ETA?
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Old 8 June 2012, 08:15 PM   #15
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About the Macan....all these sharing between Audi, VW bin parts. It's NOT a Porsche anymore! Just bc you rebadge a Tiguan or baby Audi SUV witha Porsche emblem and a few changes inside and out.
For all that oppose my view: how would you like your Rolex to be swapped internally with a Swatch source ETA?



well, the cayenne is a warmed over touareg/Q7, and that hasn't stopped people from buying tons of them.....
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Old 8 June 2012, 08:42 PM   #16
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... For all that oppose my view: how would you like your Rolex to be swapped internally with a Swatch source ETA?

That would make it a Tudor.
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Old 8 June 2012, 08:58 PM   #17
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I would rather a Tudor than a Cayenne, Pajun, Macan or Panamera. Come to think of it I have a Tudor and it looks and performs great. Glad this thread has got some runs, sometimes I think people like cars more here than watches. Sorry will wash my mouth out with some Pajun.
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Old 8 June 2012, 09:00 PM   #18
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I think George Lucas is working there now...
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I looked at a Porsche while I was car shopping a couple of years back, but the rather rapid depreciation scared me away from buying new. The boss ended up telling me I needed something that could seat four and drive in snow, so I ended up with an Audi..

Cajun must be built from the Q5 chasis - looks a lot like one. Not a fan of any Porsche SUV though..
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Old 8 June 2012, 09:51 PM   #21
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I love the new 991. It truly is an amazing car--fit, finish, ride, speed.

Have owned a bunch of 911's, and this one tops them all.

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I absolutely love the timeless 911 models and I'm very fond of the Caymen too.

I've never been a fan of the Cayenne and the Panemera looks ridiculous in my opinion.

What's next Porsche, a minivan?
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Old 8 June 2012, 11:03 PM   #23
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When you already have an iconic image as strong as Porsche, changes in design can be a very dangerous thing....... This is why strong designs rarely get modified to any great extent (Rolex being a prime example) and even though from one model to the next you will find Porsche saying all of the panels are now new..... there will inevitably be very little change from a visual point of view to the layman...... It's only when sales start to slow or a new car on the block starts to take market share that more serious changes occur.

But I believe Porsche owners like this...... One of the most annoying things can be spending a big chunk of cash on a new car only to find 2 or 3 years later a new completely different design is available.

My first car after starting work was a BMW 323i which I loved..... 2 years later the 3 series changed completely and mine was old news!!! Never bought a Beemer ever again and never will......

Whereas Porsches are almost timeless, and to the layman you can have a 10 year old 911 and still feel you have a current model.....

The performance of a Porsche is unquestionable and I personally prefer an evolving design process rather than dramatic design changes every few years. After all, they depreciate badly enough as it is.......
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I love Porsche, but I've recently been working on this...
I will add more photos later if anyone wants. its not finished yet but its a full off body resto mod of a 67 corvette, most beautiful car in the world to me.
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Porsche is iconic,like Rolex.
Check out this collection previously mentioned by DS Obsessed.
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Porsche was ruined in 1974. Impact bumpers made a beautiful design look like a diving board.

Of course everything 75 and down rusts like crazy.
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I've got to say that if you think the styling has gotten lazy ( personally I love it), the 997 turbo kicks it up a notch from all angles, especially side and rear. After a half hour drive, it takes another half hour to get the smile off my face!
I really like the picture of the 82 but love my 08. J
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This is how to drive a 911 ;-)

It's the Ruf CTR Yellow Bird

I already start sweating just seeing the movie . . .

A Porsche driver will know what I am talking about ;-)

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I think the OP is more upset with the dilution of the product line than the actual design. I think the 997 was every bit as beautiful as the 993. I wont get into the actual differences, but I am speaking purely from a design point. The 991 looks incredible too, and like others have mentioned, the interiors are nice. They also outperform all their predecessors.

Ive driven the both the panamera and cayenne and for what they are, they are nice cars. I dont care to see the porsche crest on their hoods, but do remember that their high margins subsidize RD on the Porsches I love, so I begrudgingly accept them.
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