zama Sales success does not equal... 8 June 2012, 08:30 AM
zama Ok since I am at a loss on... 8 June 2012, 08:35 AM
crew 1982???
Those lines are... 8 June 2012, 09:19 AM
East Bay Rider You are not alone.... 8 June 2012, 10:30 AM
turbodiver Absolutly beautiful!!!! 8 June 2012, 12:04 PM
azguy Best looking car porsche ever... 9 June 2012, 01:45 AM
Rsvrider Well let me say YOU ARE... 8 June 2012, 09:50 AM
zama I am glad I am not alone, the... 8 June 2012, 10:01 AM
Rsvrider Well, I have high hopes that... 8 June 2012, 10:27 AM
collegeparkrolex I like Porsche's, but I also... 8 June 2012, 10:34 AM
lavaman oh wah! you guys with your... 8 June 2012, 10:41 AM
Rsvrider I think you meant Cayman... 8 June 2012, 12:34 PM
Launch Mini I've not yet owned a Porsche... 8 June 2012, 11:00 AM
kareemthedream33 Still love Porsche, but I... 8 June 2012, 11:27 AM
lavaman agree, the current 7 looks... 8 June 2012, 12:13 PM
QueueCumber I could have bought a 911 TT... 8 June 2012, 12:13 PM
SiSiSenor Very nice rides.
Craig,... 8 June 2012, 12:30 PM
lavaman yea im no so good with the... 8 June 2012, 12:52 PM
Esexx I have always loved... 8 June 2012, 01:27 PM
77T This is why they make them!... 8 June 2012, 02:24 PM
beaglehusky I'm another heretic 996... 8 June 2012, 09:50 PM
lavaman Yea it's filthy and I'm... 8 June 2012, 01:44 PM
floater156 I can't even fit in a... 8 June 2012, 01:47 PM
Esexx LOL...the reason I only have... 8 June 2012, 01:50 PM
SiSiSenor Solution: Buy a convertible.... 8 June 2012, 01:57 PM
77T Design follows function IMHO.... 8 June 2012, 02:11 PM
DS_Obsessed http://www.magnuswalker911.com... 8 June 2012, 02:13 PM
iLLGT2 Shame on me for owning such... 8 June 2012, 03:41 PM
zeuloa The joy of driving isn't... 8 June 2012, 04:14 PM
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iLLGT2 Agree, to an extent..
Key... 17 September 2012, 03:59 AM
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zama Since I started the... 8 June 2012, 07:18 PM
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Rsvrider Omg! You have to b kidding'... 8 June 2012, 07:56 PM
Cru Jones it was first referred to as... 8 June 2012, 08:11 PM
iLLGT2 Have you driven the 991?? You... 9 June 2012, 01:43 AM
Rsvrider About the Macan....all these... 8 June 2012, 08:05 PM
Cru Jones well, the cayenne is a warmed... 8 June 2012, 08:15 PM
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zama I would rather a Tudor than a... 8 June 2012, 08:58 PM
Sweramic Where's Ken and his 993... 8 June 2012, 09:00 PM
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mannyv11 I love Porsche, but I've... 8 June 2012, 11:34 PM
Esexx Zama, I love Old School... 9 June 2012, 02:34 AM
G8RDPM Porsche is iconic,like Rolex.... 9 June 2012, 11:26 PM
evilfij Porsche was ruined in 1974. ... 17 September 2012, 07:44 PM
Awesome Jim I've got to say that if you... 18 September 2012, 12:24 AM
Kingair This is how to drive a 911... 18 September 2012, 12:49 AM
Zed Homme I think the OP is more upset... 18 September 2012, 01:11 AM
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gmh1013 I love the early 70's 911's... 18 September 2012, 03:12 AM
dsio I kind of had my dreams... 18 September 2012, 04:06 AM
TSW Beautiful pics!! 18 September 2012, 04:06 AM
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InTime does modernism apply to... 18 September 2012, 12:51 PM
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Agree, to an extent.. Key word, will kick MOST P car asses, because to compare apples to apples would only be fair.. A z06 will obviously stomp a cayman s, however the cayman is 100x more balanced and a drivers car.. Hence it beat the z06 in the best drivers car challenge Z06 is a fantastic ride, for sure, I like them a lot but to me when comparing to its equal counterpart and comparison in the Porsche world my gt2 is just 100 x more connected/visceral and sharp... The vette surely is fast and handles pretty damn well now, but is blunted in driver feel through that steering wheel, which I hate! Anyway diff cars for diff drivers, all great machinery. Let me ask you though, and it's a serious question not being a D, did they fix the oil sumps in the z06's? I know a lot of them were having oil starvation and blowing motors on the track?? |
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Are you really saying a Vette can keep up with a Porsche on curvy roads??? That's novel.
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Heres another list from C&D's Lightning lap series. The Z06 and ZR1 bested all Porsches at Virginia International Raceway. http://www.caranddriver.com/features...to-2011-page-8 Maybe you're talking about tooling around at 40mph on a slow windy road on a Sunday afternoon with grandma sitting next to you because I have no idea what you're talking about, but where the rubber meets the road and drivers push cars to the limit, Corvette is a force to be reckoned with. I think most people who drive real sports cars will admit, Corvettes can indeed "keep up with Porsches on curvy roads". |
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Driver feel, balanced, blunted are all subjective, personal things like, what won a magazines "best drivers car challenge"(which the Vette was faster around the track with turns than the Ferrari 458 Italia, GTR and GT3, all the cars in that test for that matter). One persons balance isnt exactly anothers. The Corvette is not a drag racer meant for 1/4 mile runs. Its a world class sports car that handles with the worlds best. Give credit where credit is due. http://www.fastestlaps.com/tracks/nordschleife.html [/url] |
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x2. I have no interest in raw power off the line - nothing like a Porsche (or other German counter-part) to hug curvy fun roads.
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I'm inclined to agree with the OP up to some extent. The majority of new designs from the house of Porsche look like things a marginally talented 5 year old would put together if asked to draw a car. The cayenne is perhaps the ugliest SUV in existence; the Hannibal lector comparison seemed very apt. As for the panemera: beautiful exterior, but looks the product of a drunken rendezvous between a 911 and a Bentley continental.
However, i think the new Carreras are exactly what the evolved ones should look like. A little beefy but true to their heritage and in line with prior demands. Don't get me started on BMW. Bangle created some stylistic nightmares in his time, and is finally going the right way. If it wasn't for a growing middle/upper class in the early 2000s driving BMW sales, he would have lost his job a long time back |
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i have to respectfully disagree with respect to the new 911, boxster and cayman. all three models are both beautiful and beastly in my eyes, and represent great progress from the late 90s and early-to-mid 2000s, when, in my opinion, the 911 seemed bloated and the boxster looked a little wimpy.
and don't forget the interiors, which have made tremendous progress from where they used to be. the classics are great, but, that's what they are, classics. things evolve, and i think that, at least with respect to these three models, porsche (under VW) is going in the right direction. |
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Since I started the controversy I should say I think the new 911 and Boxster look great as well and would love one, jury for me is still out on the new Cayman, for me while it is mechanically terrific it still does not look as consistent as the Boxster, and is starting to look a little like an Exige in these photos. That still leaves the Cayenne and Panamera as shockers!!!!!!
I am a little worried about the move to different steering, I dont see what is wrong with what we have all loved for so long.
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About the Macan....all these sharing between Audi, VW bin parts. It's NOT a Porsche anymore! Just bc you rebadge a Tiguan or baby Audi SUV witha Porsche emblem and a few changes inside and out.
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I would rather a Tudor than a Cayenne, Pajun, Macan or Panamera. Come to think of it I have a Tudor and it looks and performs great. Glad this thread has got some runs, sometimes I think people like cars more here than watches. Sorry will wash my mouth out with some Pajun.
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I looked at a Porsche while I was car shopping a couple of years back, but the rather rapid depreciation scared me away from buying new. The boss ended up telling me I needed something that could seat four and drive in snow, so I ended up with an Audi..
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I love the new 991. It truly is an amazing car--fit, finish, ride, speed.
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I absolutely love the timeless 911 models and I'm very fond of the Caymen too.
I've never been a fan of the Cayenne and the Panemera looks ridiculous in my opinion. What's next Porsche, a minivan? |
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When you already have an iconic image as strong as Porsche, changes in design can be a very dangerous thing....... This is why strong designs rarely get modified to any great extent (Rolex being a prime example) and even though from one model to the next you will find Porsche saying all of the panels are now new..... there will inevitably be very little change from a visual point of view to the layman...... It's only when sales start to slow or a new car on the block starts to take market share that more serious changes occur.
But I believe Porsche owners like this...... One of the most annoying things can be spending a big chunk of cash on a new car only to find 2 or 3 years later a new completely different design is available. My first car after starting work was a BMW 323i which I loved..... 2 years later the 3 series changed completely and mine was old news!!! Never bought a Beemer ever again and never will...... Whereas Porsches are almost timeless, and to the layman you can have a 10 year old 911 and still feel you have a current model..... The performance of a Porsche is unquestionable and I personally prefer an evolving design process rather than dramatic design changes every few years. After all, they depreciate badly enough as it is....... |
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Zama, I love Old School too!(cars, watches, etc)
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Porsche is iconic,like Rolex.
Check out this collection previously mentioned by DS Obsessed. http://www.6speedonline.com/articles...from-64-to-73/ I'm very happy with my daily driver! |
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Porsche was ruined in 1974. Impact bumpers made a beautiful design look like a diving board.
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I've got to say that if you think the styling has gotten lazy ( personally I love it), the 997 turbo kicks it up a notch from all angles, especially side and rear. After a half hour drive, it takes another half hour to get the smile off my face!
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This is how to drive a 911 ;-)
It's the Ruf CTR Yellow Bird I already start sweating just seeing the movie . . . A Porsche driver will know what I am talking about ;-) Enjoy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEnjqOjY0LA HAGOne |
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I think the OP is more upset with the dilution of the product line than the actual design. I think the 997 was every bit as beautiful as the 993. I wont get into the actual differences, but I am speaking purely from a design point. The 991 looks incredible too, and like others have mentioned, the interiors are nice. They also outperform all their predecessors.
Ive driven the both the panamera and cayenne and for what they are, they are nice cars. I dont care to see the porsche crest on their hoods, but do remember that their high margins subsidize RD on the Porsches I love, so I begrudgingly accept them. |
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