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BigJack · 22 November 2019, 05:19 PM

I am looking at a watch site where various Rolex models are listed by NEW users with no reference, low post and accepting only WIRE.
Is this the new way to go?

The1019 · 22 November 2019, 05:35 PM

Yes if you want to lose money it certainly is

Batmannr1 · 22 November 2019, 06:12 PM

When buying an expensive watch only face to face transactions. Exception only for buying via wire if you have done business before with the seller and trust him.

jimcameron · 22 November 2019, 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigJack

Is this the new way to go?

If you want to get ripped off.

mountainjogger · 22 November 2019, 07:48 PM

No.

m j b · 22 November 2019, 10:34 PM

My most recent gray purchase was with a seller in Sweden. He had good feedback but not a lot of history like some sellers on TRF for example, so I paid a little extra to use my credit card. That afforded me a little extra protection. Everything went fine and I'm very happy with the watch and the deal that I got (it was a non-Rolex brand where one can still obtain a discount in both the gray and grey markets).

I was once looking at a WG Sub and it was the seller who wanted a FTF, not me. I almost did it, but it wasn't the cost of the flight (miniscule compared to the cost of the watch) but the time that it would take for me to fly cross-country that killed it for me.

Still, if one is spending $10K or $20K or $30K+ on an item, it might be worth the consideration to go ahead and take some time and fly out and check it out in person.

locutus49 · 22 November 2019, 10:42 PM

I Think face to face is preferable but not necessary as long as you are dealing with a trusted seller. Also, dealers like Luxury Bazaar (roman sharf), watchbox, etc are reliable dealers. Ideally find a trusted seller who is near you.

77T · 22 November 2019, 11:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigJack

I am looking at a watch site where various Rolex models are listed by NEW users with no reference, low post and accepting only WIRE.

Is this the new way to go?

If you turned your question around and compared that watch site to eBay, and turned the item around from a Rolex to a 2ct. Diamond, would you click Buy It Now for a new seller seller with no references? I think not...

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jsausley · 22 November 2019, 11:18 PM

For Rolex it's different because they're so popular with fakers and modders.

Buy only from:

1) The AD

2) Well known resellers like Takuya and DavidSW

3) Major resellers in person (who you trust has not modified the watch)

4) Any trusted sellers on TRF that have developed a reputation

samson66 · 22 November 2019, 11:28 PM

Depends, do you like being ripped off???

Rags · 22 November 2019, 11:35 PM

I buy from Justrolexes- Tony Geha. Great seller and 1000% trustworthy.

Watchflair · 22 November 2019, 11:42 PM

Buy the seller first! Plain and simple. It's worth the piece of mind knowing who you are doing business with - there's a reason they have the reputation and feedback that they do.

crewsin · 23 November 2019, 04:10 AM

Buy the seller, as is prudent - use your head my friend, wiring money to someone you don't know is a TERRIBLE idea. There are exceptions, like trusted sellers on this forum - but if buying from someone you don't know suck up the 3% and use PayPal. If they won't accept PayPal STAY AWAY.

PossumDixon · 23 November 2019, 04:20 AM

This is a joke right?

Run, Chronocentric is not your friend.

Calatrava r · 23 November 2019, 04:31 AM

If you can get a good rapport with the seller and obtain what photo's you need to convince you the seller indeed has the watch. Then you need to actually talk with the seller, not emails or text. Then you need real references you can verify and talk to. If a seller is legit they can provide references who will talk to you. A few ADs or a banker who can vouch for someone goes a long way. Bad sellers will let you know they are up to no good quickly if you pay attention. Spotty communication only done electronically with no real information being given to disguise that they are not where they say they are and/or do not have the actual watch in their possession.

Why deal with individuals? Simple. You hope to get a watch for a price somewhere closer to dealer wholesale than dealer retail. If the price is closer to the current retail aftermarket price, go to a TS all day. Do your due diligence is all.

BigJack · 23 November 2019, 11:36 PM

Thank you very much guys for all your 2cents!
All what you have said will be put into consideration.

22 November 2019, 05:19 PM	#1
BigJack Banned Join Date: Nov 2019 Real Name: Samuel Location: NY Posts: 34	Safest Way to Deal on Grey Market??? I am looking at a watch site where various Rolex models are listed by NEW users with no reference, low post and accepting only WIRE. Is this the new way to go?

22 November 2019, 07:48 PM	#5
mountainjogger 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Real Name: H Location: North Carolina Watch: M99230B-0008 Posts: 5,675	No. __________________ The King of Cool.

22 November 2019, 10:34 PM	#6
m j b "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Real Name: Michael Location: RTP, NC, USA Watch: ♕& Ω Posts: 5,221	My most recent gray purchase was with a seller in Sweden. He had good feedback but not a lot of history like some sellers on TRF for example, so I paid a little extra to use my credit card. That afforded me a little extra protection. Everything went fine and I'm very happy with the watch and the deal that I got (it was a non-Rolex brand where one can still obtain a discount in both the gray and grey markets). I was once looking at a WG Sub and it was the seller who wanted a FTF, not me. I almost did it, but it wasn't the cost of the flight (miniscule compared to the cost of the watch) but the time that it would take for me to fly cross-country that killed it for me. Still, if one is spending $10K or $20K or $30K+ on an item, it might be worth the consideration to go ahead and take some time and fly out and check it out in person. __________________ Enjoy life - it has an expiration date. Disclaimer: Please note that the avatar is not an accurate representation of how I look. The camera adds 10 pounds...

22 November 2019, 11:18 PM	#9
jsausley "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2018 Location: North Carolina Watch: 214270/116710BLNR Posts: 813	For Rolex it's different because they're so popular with fakers and modders. Buy only from: 1) The AD 2) Well known resellers like Takuya and DavidSW 3) Major resellers in person (who you trust has not modified the watch) 4) Any trusted sellers on TRF that have developed a reputation __________________ 214270 \| 116710BLNR

22 November 2019, 11:35 PM	#11
Rags 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Real Name: Chuck Location: SW Florida Watch: 16233,16610,214270 Posts: 11,196	I buy from Justrolexes- Tony Geha. Great seller and 1000% trustworthy. __________________ 16233 Y Serial Datejust 16610 Z Serial Submariner 214270 Explorer *114300 Oyster Perpetual* *76200 Tudor Date+Day*

22 November 2019, 05:35 PM	#2
The1019 Banned Join Date: Jan 2019 Location: London Posts: 109	Yes if you want to lose money it certainly is

22 November 2019, 06:12 PM	#3
Batmannr1 "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2018 Real Name: Martijn Location: AmsRio Watch: On the left wrist Posts: 733	When buying an expensive watch only face to face transactions. Exception only for buying via wire if you have done business before with the seller and trust him.

22 November 2019, 10:42 PM	#7
locutus49 Banned Join Date: May 2014 Real Name: John Location: La Jolla, CA Watch: Platona Posts: 12,194	I Think face to face is preferable but not necessary as long as you are dealing with a trusted seller. Also, dealers like Luxury Bazaar (roman sharf), watchbox, etc are reliable dealers. Ideally find a trusted seller who is near you.

22 November 2019, 11:28 PM	#10
samson66 2024 ROLEX SUBMARINER 41 Pledge Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Real Name: Mike Location: Downy Ocean Hon Watch: my money leaving! Posts: 13,792	Depends, do you like being ripped off???

22 November 2019, 11:42 PM	#12
Watchflair 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: May 2012 Real Name: Jim Location: Westchester NY Watch: Love em all Posts: 5,920	Buy the seller first! Plain and simple. It's worth the piece of mind knowing who you are doing business with - there's a reason they have the reputation and feedback that they do. __________________ Remember what matters. Value everyday

23 November 2019, 04:10 AM	#13
crewsin Banned Join Date: Jan 2018 Real Name: Billy Dill Location: Denver, CO Watch: Explorer Posts: 267	Buy the seller, as is prudent - use your head my friend, wiring money to someone you don't know is a TERRIBLE idea. There are exceptions, like trusted sellers on this forum - but if buying from someone you don't know suck up the 3% and use PayPal. If they won't accept PayPal STAY AWAY.

23 November 2019, 04:20 AM	#14
PossumDixon "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2018 Real Name: Scott Location: Philadelphia Watch: 16710 Coke Posts: 166	This is a joke right? Run, Chronocentric is not your friend.

23 November 2019, 04:31 AM	#15
Calatrava r 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Mar 2017 Location: United States Watch: Rolex and Patek Posts: 11,418	If you can get a good rapport with the seller and obtain what photo's you need to convince you the seller indeed has the watch. Then you need to actually talk with the seller, not emails or text. Then you need real references you can verify and talk to. If a seller is legit they can provide references who will talk to you. A few ADs or a banker who can vouch for someone goes a long way. Bad sellers will let you know they are up to no good quickly if you pay attention. Spotty communication only done electronically with no real information being given to disguise that they are not where they say they are and/or do not have the actual watch in their possession. Why deal with individuals? Simple. You hope to get a watch for a price somewhere closer to dealer wholesale than dealer retail. If the price is closer to the current retail aftermarket price, go to a TS all day. Do your due diligence is all.

23 November 2019, 11:36 PM	#16
BigJack Banned Join Date: Nov 2019 Real Name: Samuel Location: NY Posts: 34	Thank you very much guys for all your 2cents! All what you have said will be put into consideration.

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