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Old 11 May 2013, 12:35 PM   #1
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TIME SETTING- Clockwise / Counter-Clockwise

Hunting for Air-Kings this week, I noticed that some of the very slightly older models, like around the late nineties set by turning the crown counter-clockwise, while the newer models set clockwise, which is what I'm used to with my other Rolex.

Can anyone please tell me when that changed, and which no-date calibre was the former, used in the mid-late 90's that set counter-clockwise?

Thanks, fellas!
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Old 11 May 2013, 01:04 PM   #2
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The Cal. 3000 and it's date counterpart 3035 rotated opposite from the modern movements..
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Old 11 May 2013, 01:17 PM   #3
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Super, thanks!
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Old 11 May 2013, 06:51 PM   #4
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651H : crown CW -> hands CW (Cellini)
727 : crown CW -> hands CW (Daytona 6263/5)
750 : crown CW -> hands CW (Cellini)
1225 : crown CW -> hands CCW (OD 6694)
1240 : crown CW -> hands CCW
1400 : crown CW -> hands CCW (Cellini)
1520 : crown CW -> hands CCW (Sub 5513)
1530 : crown CW -> hands CCW (Sub 5513)
1570 : crown CW -> hands CCW (OP)
1575 : crown CW -> hands CCW (DJ,Sub 1680,GMT)
1560 : crown CW -> hands CCW (Sub 5512,Explo 1016)
1565 : crown CW -> hands CCW (DJ)
1580 : crown CW -> hands CCW (MG 1019)
1601 : crown CW -> hands CW (Cellini)
1800 : crown CW -> hands CCW (Rolex lady)
2030 : crown CW -> hands CCW (OP 26/29/31mm)
2035 : crown CW -> hands CCW (DJ 26/29/31mm)
2130 : crown CW -> hands CCW (OP 26/29/31mm)
2135 : crown CW -> hands CCW (DJ 26/29/31mm)
2230 : crown CW -> hands CCW (OP 26/29/31mm)
2231 : crown CW -> hands CCW (OP 26/29/31mm)
2235 : crown CW -> hands CCW (DJ 26/29/31mm,YM 29/35 mm)
3000 : crown CW -> hands CCW (Sub 14060,Explo1,AK)
3035 : crown CW -> hands CCW (DJ)
3055 : crown CW -> hands CCW (daydate)
3075 : crown CW -> hands CCW (GMT)
3085 : crown CW -> hands CW - hour hand alone CCW (GMT2)
3130 : crown CW -> hands CW (Sub 14060M,Explo1)
3131 : crown CW -> hands CW (Milgauss)
3132 : crown CW -> hands CW (Explo1 39mm)
3135 : crown CW -> hands CW (DJ,TOG,Sub Date,SDDS)
3136 : crown CW -> hands CW (DJ 2)
3155 : crown CW -> hands CW (DD)
3156 : crown CW -> hands CW (DD 2)
3175 : crown CW -> hands CW (GMT)
3185 : crown CW -> hands CW - hour hand alone CW (GMT2,Explo2)
3186 : crown CW -> hands CW - hour hand alone CW (GMT2,Explo2)
3187 : crown CW -> hands CW - hour hand alone CW (Explo2 42mm)
4030 : crown CW -> hands CCW (Daytona 16520)
4130 : crown CW -> hands CW (Daytona)
4160 : crown CW -> hands CW (YM II)
5035 : crown CW -> hands CCW (Oysterquartz DJ)
5055 : crown CW -> hands CCW (Oysterquartz DD)
6220 : crown CW -> hands CW (Cellini Quartz)
6621 : crown CW -> hands CW (Cellini Quartz)
7040 : crown CW -> hands CW (Prince)
9001 : crown CW -> hands CCW (Sky Dweller)
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Old 11 May 2013, 07:27 PM   #5
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651H : crown CW -> hands CW (Cellini)
727 : crown CW -> hands CW (Daytona 6263/5)
750 : crown CW -> hands CW (Cellini)
1225 : crown CW -> hands CCW (OD 6694)
1240 : crown CW -> hands CCW
1400 : crown CW -> hands CCW (Cellini)
1520 : crown CW -> hands CCW (Sub 5513)
1530 : crown CW -> hands CCW (Sub 5513)
1570 : crown CW -> hands CCW (OP)
1575 : crown CW -> hands CCW (DJ,Sub 1680,GMT)
1560 : crown CW -> hands CCW (Sub 5512,Explo 1016)
1565 : crown CW -> hands CCW (DJ)
1580 : crown CW -> hands CCW (MG 1019)
1601 : crown CW -> hands CW (Cellini)
1800 : crown CW -> hands CCW (Rolex lady)
2030 : crown CW -> hands CCW (OP 26/29/31mm)
2035 : crown CW -> hands CCW (DJ 26/29/31mm)
2130 : crown CW -> hands CCW (OP 26/29/31mm)
2135 : crown CW -> hands CCW (DJ 26/29/31mm)
2230 : crown CW -> hands CCW (OP 26/29/31mm)
2231 : crown CW -> hands CCW (OP 26/29/31mm)
2235 : crown CW -> hands CCW (DJ 26/29/31mm,YM 29/35 mm)
3000 : crown CW -> hands CCW (Sub 14060,Explo1,AK)
3035 : crown CW -> hands CCW (DJ)
3055 : crown CW -> hands CCW (daydate)
3075 : crown CW -> hands CCW (GMT)
3085 : crown CW -> hands CW - hour hand alone CCW (GMT2)
3130 : crown CW -> hands CW (Sub 14060M,Explo1)
3131 : crown CW -> hands CW (Milgauss)
3132 : crown CW -> hands CW (Explo1 39mm)
3135 : crown CW -> hands CW (DJ,TOG,Sub Date,SDDS)
3136 : crown CW -> hands CW (DJ 2)
3155 : crown CW -> hands CW (DD)
3156 : crown CW -> hands CW (DD 2)
3175 : crown CW -> hands CW (GMT)
3185 : crown CW -> hands CW - hour hand alone CW (GMT2,Explo2)
3186 : crown CW -> hands CW - hour hand alone CW (GMT2,Explo2)
3187 : crown CW -> hands CW - hour hand alone CW (Explo2 42mm)
4030 : crown CW -> hands CCW (Daytona 16520)
4130 : crown CW -> hands CW (Daytona)
4160 : crown CW -> hands CW (YM II)
5035 : crown CW -> hands CCW (Oysterquartz DJ)
5055 : crown CW -> hands CCW (Oysterquartz DD)
6220 : crown CW -> hands CW (Cellini Quartz)
6621 : crown CW -> hands CW (Cellini Quartz)
7040 : crown CW -> hands CW (Prince)
9001 : crown CW -> hands CCW (Sky Dweller)

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Old 11 May 2013, 07:31 PM   #6
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Excellent resource Alpino - thanks!
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Old 11 May 2013, 08:40 PM   #7
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Wow, now that's the stuff, Alpino...Thanks!
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Old 11 May 2013, 09:15 PM   #8
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Please make this a sticky!!!!!!!
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Old 11 May 2013, 10:39 PM   #9
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I no sure I'm understanding the question here. Is this about setting the time...like by rotating the windng crown? On my 114060...I can rotate either CW or CCW to move the hands to set the time. Sorry for the dumb question...
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Old 11 May 2013, 11:49 PM   #10
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I no sure I'm understanding the question here. Is this about setting the time...like by rotating the windng crown? On my 114060...I can rotate either CW or CCW to move the hands to set the time. Sorry for the dumb question...
To set the time forward (advance the hands), turning the crown clockwise is the norm now. However, on some past calibres and the current Sky-Dweller, as indicated in the chart above, the time was advanced by turning the crown counter clockwise.
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Old 12 May 2013, 12:13 AM   #11
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Wow, amazing info, and easy to understand to boot.
You're the man. This should be a sticky.
Thanks for posting.


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651H : crown CW -> hands CW (Cellini)
727 : crown CW -> hands CW (Daytona 6263/5)
750 : crown CW -> hands CW (Cellini)
1225 : crown CW -> hands CCW (OD 6694)
1240 : crown CW -> hands CCW
1400 : crown CW -> hands CCW (Cellini)
1520 : crown CW -> hands CCW (Sub 5513)
1530 : crown CW -> hands CCW (Sub 5513)
1570 : crown CW -> hands CCW (OP)
1575 : crown CW -> hands CCW (DJ,Sub 1680,GMT)
1560 : crown CW -> hands CCW (Sub 5512,Explo 1016)
1565 : crown CW -> hands CCW (DJ)
1580 : crown CW -> hands CCW (MG 1019)
1601 : crown CW -> hands CW (Cellini)
1800 : crown CW -> hands CCW (Rolex lady)
2030 : crown CW -> hands CCW (OP 26/29/31mm)
2035 : crown CW -> hands CCW (DJ 26/29/31mm)
2130 : crown CW -> hands CCW (OP 26/29/31mm)
2135 : crown CW -> hands CCW (DJ 26/29/31mm)
2230 : crown CW -> hands CCW (OP 26/29/31mm)
2231 : crown CW -> hands CCW (OP 26/29/31mm)
2235 : crown CW -> hands CCW (DJ 26/29/31mm,YM 29/35 mm)
3000 : crown CW -> hands CCW (Sub 14060,Explo1,AK)
3035 : crown CW -> hands CCW (DJ)
3055 : crown CW -> hands CCW (daydate)
3075 : crown CW -> hands CCW (GMT)
3085 : crown CW -> hands CW - hour hand alone CCW (GMT2)
3130 : crown CW -> hands CW (Sub 14060M,Explo1)
3131 : crown CW -> hands CW (Milgauss)
3132 : crown CW -> hands CW (Explo1 39mm)
3135 : crown CW -> hands CW (DJ,TOG,Sub Date,SDDS)
3136 : crown CW -> hands CW (DJ 2)
3155 : crown CW -> hands CW (DD)
3156 : crown CW -> hands CW (DD 2)
3175 : crown CW -> hands CW (GMT)
3185 : crown CW -> hands CW - hour hand alone CW (GMT2,Explo2)
3186 : crown CW -> hands CW - hour hand alone CW (GMT2,Explo2)
3187 : crown CW -> hands CW - hour hand alone CW (Explo2 42mm)
4030 : crown CW -> hands CCW (Daytona 16520)
4130 : crown CW -> hands CW (Daytona)
4160 : crown CW -> hands CW (YM II)
5035 : crown CW -> hands CCW (Oysterquartz DJ)
5055 : crown CW -> hands CCW (Oysterquartz DD)
6220 : crown CW -> hands CW (Cellini Quartz)
6621 : crown CW -> hands CW (Cellini Quartz)
7040 : crown CW -> hands CW (Prince)
9001 : crown CW -> hands CCW (Sky Dweller)
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Old 12 May 2013, 12:18 AM   #12
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To set the time forward (advance the hands), turning the crown clockwise is the norm now. However, on some past calibres and the current Sky-Dweller, as indicated in the chart above, the time was advanced by turning the crown counter clockwise.
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Oh...I see what being addressed...not which direction you should turn the hands to set the time...rather, which direction do the hands turn when you rotate the crown either CW or CCW. Thanks.
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Old 12 May 2013, 12:54 PM   #14
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Oh...I see what being addressed...not which direction you should turn the hands to set the time...rather, which direction do the hands turn when you rotate the crown either CW or CCW. Thanks.
Correctemundo.
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Dr. Alpino - That is an AWESOME list ! Thank you.

I've gone ladies DJ shopping for my wife and when I make small talk about how the 2235 is the opposite of most current gents models, I would say less than 50% of the salespeople knew this until I told them.

This list is the definitive resource - STICKY TIME !
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Putting this thread back to life!

I just noticed something when setting the time on my SD4k:

When turning the crown clockwise, hands are moving forward, following any slight movement of the crown and staying in place when i stop touching the crown.

But when turning the crown counter-clockwise, there is kind of a "spring effect". Hands are moving backwards but coming back forward of about half a minute when i stop touching the crown.

Not sure if i'm clear in my explanation, but if you do understand: Is it normal??
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Putting this thread back to life!

I just noticed something when setting the time on my SD4k:

When turning the crown clockwise, hands are moving forward, following any slight movement of the crown and staying in place when i stop touching the crown.

But when turning the crown counter-clockwise, there is kind of a "spring effect". Hands are moving backwards but coming back forward of about half a minute when i stop touching the crown.

Not sure if i'm clear in my explanation, but if you do understand: Is it normal??

I understand what you’re describing and yes that is normal
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I understand what you’re describing and yes that is normal
Cool! I feel better ahahah. Thank you!

Does anyone has a "technical" explanation to that?
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Cool! I feel better ahahah. Thank you!

Does anyone has a "technical" explanation to that?
There are 200 moving parts, and they are under tension via the mainspring. Being a mechanical set of gears, they all need a slight amount of clearance to operate without binding. The total of the clearances is "lash".

When you move the geartrain with the crown, you must take up all of the lash. When the watch is running all of the lash is taken up via the mainspring.

Turning the crown backwards, you take up that lash in the opposite direction from the mainspring tension; when you let go of the crown, the mainspring tension will pull the geartrain until the lash is again taken up in the running direction.
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There are 200 moving parts, and they are under tension via the mainspring. Being a mechanical set of gears, they all need a slight amount of clearance to operate without binding. The total of the clearances is "lash".

When you move the geartrain with the crown, you must take up all of the lash. When the watch is running all of the lash is taken up via the mainspring.

Turning the crown backwards. you take up that lash in the opposite direction from the mainspring tension; when you let go of the crown, the mainspring tension will pull the geartrain until of the lash is again taken up in the running direction.
Understood! Thx guys!
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