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Old 6 July 2008, 12:48 AM   #31
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!!! What's the triple point for an Au-Pt alloy that complies with the 18K proportion of Au? (sorry can't figure out off the top of my head what %age 18k Au is in respect to 24k! it'll be 18 divided by 24 times 100 but I have no calc to hand!)


They use 50 parts per 1000 of iridium in Pt to make it more workable - that's why Pt is marked up as "Pt 950"

As noted in this thread 18kt is 75% pure AU. As also noted above, PT's inherent hardness allows alloys of 95% PT (as you said-- PT950) in a very durable bracelet and case.

Most WG blends are trade secrets. I doubt Rolex uses much if any PT in their WG but welcome info to the contrary.

Just go back a few posts and the exact temps and density questions you asked are answered in a Watchtime blurb.
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Old 6 July 2008, 02:07 AM   #32
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75%! Of course! Sorry - A Homer Simpson moment!

I should think before I type.
Sorry - I am such a dummy.
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Old 6 July 2008, 02:09 AM   #33
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Old 6 July 2008, 02:13 AM   #34
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I spoke to my jeweller who hand works white gold when we bought my wife's engagement ring. They showed me a piece of white gold before "finishing".

White gold is actually creamy in colour and the white finish does come from plating or alloying (not rhodium).

I was told only silver and platinum can achieve that true white polished finish with no additional plating or alloying work.

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Old 6 July 2008, 02:27 AM   #35
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I spoke to my jeweller who hand works white gold when we bought my wife's engagement ring. They showed me a piece of white gold before "finishing".

White gold is actually creamy in colour and the white finish does come from plating or alloying (not rhodium).

I was told only silver and platinum can achieve that true white polished finish with no additional plating or alloying work.

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Yes, this isn't to say some WG is plated, just that it need not be and Rolex IS NOT. Maybe silver and/or palladium are used in the Rolex ALLOY.
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Old 6 July 2008, 02:33 AM   #36
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Oh god I knew someone would pick me up on this!! Err... I'm inconsistent I guess!

In truth - I was meaning regarding the Rh plating argument/discussion! the metallurgy I am interested in and don't know much about the specifics!
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Old 6 July 2008, 03:21 AM   #37
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75%! Of course! Sorry - A Homer Simpson moment!

I should think before I type.
Sorry - I am such a dummy.
No big deal
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Old 6 July 2008, 03:28 AM   #38
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Oh Heavens did we not have this discussion re white gold and rhodium plating!!!

Only rubbish jewellery will have the gold plated with rhodium (it'd be 9k as well).
White gold is gold that has been alloyed with nickel, platinum or other white metals to achieve the whiteness. IMHO (really, only my opiniion ) I think that white gold is sort of pointless - if you need a heavy metal that is white then it has to be platinum - but I do understand that Pt is a lot more expensive than whte gold would be whilst retaining similar densities. Only my personal choice - I would opt for SS rather than WG anytime. But I'd love my watch to be out of solid Pt!


Gosh - I've come over a bit strong in my opinion there - sorry folks!


Hey I know it's up to the individual and I don't pass judgement on those for wanting it. I understand material desire, believe me. I do want to say however, how much I agree with you on the pointless issue. If you want a precious white metal, why not Platinum? Just my thoughts.
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Old 6 July 2008, 03:44 AM   #39
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Hey I know it's up to the individual and I don't pass judgement on those for wanting it. I understand material desire, believe me. I do want to say however, how much I agree with you on the pointless issue. If you want a precious white metal, why not Platinum? Just my thoughts.
All this discussion on PT has me lusting for it too. That said, if you want Rolex watches you have very few PT choices. If you love the cool dials on the WG Daytona you have no other choice.

I looked at some of the PT Langes but MAN are they pricey !!! Sadly, most precious metals watches sell for a much bigger premiums than the metal content would warrant. Even if you consider the additional processing required for these tough materials, it's still hard to justify.
Maybe someday I'll get a DD II or Sub in PT. Then I'd have a beauty that "flies under the radar screen" as most folks would think it SS.
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Old 6 July 2008, 03:53 AM   #40
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Hey I know it's up to the individual and I don't pass judgement on those for wanting it. I understand material desire, believe me. I do want to say however, how much I agree with you on the pointless issue. If you want a precious white metal, why not Platinum? Just my thoughts.
Because white gold looks very different from platinum...
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Old 6 July 2008, 06:40 AM   #41
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Deffo Pt for me too! I wish they did an AK option in Pt. I have quite a bit of native Pt (ie "as found - alluvial nuggets and grains) in my mineral collection - but obviously nothing big enough to make a watch from!
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Old 7 July 2008, 06:31 AM   #42
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From WatchTime Oct 2002 review of the DD.

"Rolex laboriously mills cases from solid ingots of white gold. This alloy is particularly difficult to process because it contains small percentages of RHODIUM and PALLADIUM, both which are very hard metals."

"All in all, the white-gold version of the Day Date is an absolutely practical and durable watch."
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Old 22 January 2020, 03:49 AM   #43
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Rolex uses pure 18kt white gold, no rhodium plating. Polishing will not discolor it, but too much polishing does remove some gold metal from the watch.
Are u sure rolex doesnt use rhodium plating on the case and bracelet?
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Are u sure rolex doesnt use rhodium plating on the case and bracelet?
Absolutely 100% certain. Only cheap white gold (maybe only 9k or 14k?) is plated with rhodium - 'proper' white gold is an alloy.
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Absolutely 100% certain. Only cheap white gold (maybe only 9k or 14k?) is plated with rhodium - 'proper' white gold is an alloy.


Agree.


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Are u sure rolex doesnt use rhodium plating on the case and bracelet?
This thread is from 2008, doubt you will get an answer
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Rolex WG alloy consists of..........

GOLD 75%
PALLADIUM 12.5%
SILVER/COPPER 12.5%
The white gold bezel on my Datejust 16234 is 31 years old and perfectly fine.
Don't be afraid.
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Old 24 January 2021, 01:06 AM   #49
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I've found white gold easy to re-brush and easy to get dings and dents out of because its so much softer than steel. Personally, I steer away from the white gold cases because its so soft and doesn't wear as well - SS is my first choice. White gold is good looking though...
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My thoughts exactly


Also makes me wanna sell all my SS for a white gold lifer.

I’d love a WG GMT.


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Absolutely 100% certain. Only cheap white gold (maybe only 9k or 14k?) is plated with rhodium - 'proper' white gold is an alloy.
Dave. Stop with the misinformation


All white gold is an alloy.

Most white gold jewellery sold these days is 18k

Most commercially produced white gold jewellery is rhodium plated because 18k isn’t really white and consumers expect it to be. The higher the k, the less “white” white gold actually is (makes perfect sense if you think about it)

Rolex as we know don’t plate their WG watches. Rolex WG is, as a result, quite different in colour to SS or PT. Its a warm white whereas PT is a cool white

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