New Lange Zeitwerk Release

[GreenLantern]

Originally Posted by Ichiran

I would do it if it is only 1 grand complication. The folks here are looking for more

Same. I was told 2-3. And I pushed back. And I still was told 2-3.

[GreenLantern]

Originally Posted by flyboyx999

As a Lange collector and fan, I think a lot of people just jump on the bandwagon recently and complain because they can’t get what they want. That goes for all the recent popular brands too

Forgive me, but you missed the point of most of our strife here in this thread.

[Russell996]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern

Forgive me, but you missed the point of most of our strife here in this thread.

Not sure he has, it is the same problem all super popular brands have when demand exceeds supply by a large margin and particularly when it is concentrated on a few pieces in the range. Lange are making 200 ZW Lumens and I would bet they could sell 1000+ to existing good clients and countless more to new devotees and speculators.

What can they do, how do they spread the 200 fairly? Some Boutiques will have 10's of great clients per piece, there is no easy answer. Bundling of other pieces is not something I condone but if a potential buyer having been told they don't qualify then asks well what would qualify me? Well that is an entirely different scenario in my mind. I obviously can't comment on the personal experiences all contributors to this thread have encountered in asking for a ZW Lumen so I'm not defending any poor practice that has been experienced.
For my part all I can say is I wasn't asked to bundle, I didn't ask if I could bundle, but was contacted personally and given a thought out and transparent reason why I had been unsuccessful in my application.

I have no argument with the response, except to say I am immensely disappointed as I love the piece.

[GreenLantern]

I hear you, Russell. I really do.

That said, I was not given the same courtesy of transparency and respect/appreciation.

Furthermore, brands need to re-evaluate their limitation numbers since their customer base has 10x'd in recent years. 200 examples used to be "rare" in many cases, now it's "absurdly rare."

But to be told to bundle with a Tourbillon or two, or an MR and a Tourbillon, that's a bit of an insult. That's not how you separate the loyalists from the wannabes.

[HMHM]

Originally Posted by Russell996

Not sure he has, it is the same problem all super popular brands have when demand exceeds supply by a large margin and particularly when it is concentrated on a few pieces in the range. Lange are making 200 ZW Lumens and I would bet they could sell 1000+ to existing good clients and countless more to new devotees and speculators.

What can they do, how do they spread the 200 fairly? Some Boutiques will have 10's of great clients per piece, there is no easy answer. Bundling of other pieces is not something I condone but if a potential buyer having been told they don't qualify then asks well what would qualify me? Well that is an entirely different scenario in my mind. I obviously can't comment on the personal experiences all contributors to this thread have encountered in asking for a ZW Lumen so I'm not defending any poor practice that has been experienced.
For my part all I can say is I wasn't asked to bundle, I didn't ask if I could bundle, but was contacted personally and given a thought out and transparent reason why I had been unsuccessful in my application.

I have no argument with the response, except to say I am immensely disappointed as I love the piece.

And here lies the exact issue! If a person like you can’t obtain the lumen, what does it take to actually get one? It’s just getting ridiculous when top collectors are being shunted as well.

[GreenLantern]

Originally Posted by HMHM

And here lies the exact issue! If a person like you can’t obtain the lumen, what does it take to actually get one? It’s just getting ridiculous when top collectors are being shunted as well.

[flyboyx999]

Originally Posted by HMHM

And here lies the exact issue! If a person like you can’t obtain the lumen, what does it take to actually get one? It’s just getting ridiculous when top collectors are being shunted as well.

I’ve learned that in the world of luxury products, there is always a bigger collector. (That goes for wine, watches, cars, etc) so don’t feel bad, sometime we are peasants compare to the big dogs.

[GreenLantern]

Originally Posted by flyboyx999

I’ve learned that in the world of luxury products, there is always a bigger collector. (That goes for wine, watches, cars, etc) so don’t feel bad, sometime we are peasants compare to the big dogs.

Except that's not the issue here.

The issue is that they are trumping "big" or "bigger" collectors with collectors who are willing to bundle a Tourbillon and an MR.

[HMHM]

Originally Posted by flyboyx999

I’ve learned that in the world of luxury products, there is always a bigger collector. (That goes for wine, watches, cars, etc) so don’t feel bad, sometime we are peasants compare to the big dogs.

Of course there are bigger fishes in the ocean, unless one is named Elon…. But the point I’m trying to put across is that if a mega collector like Russell996 is not able to get a ZW lumen, then we have an issue here because long term purchase history and collecting is no longer viewed favourably compared to bundling on day of purchase. What’s going to happen is that any RICH person can just go in to the boutique, agree to any pre-requisite bundle offers and walk out with the ZW lumen. Are long term collectors going to be cast aside for newcomers with money who might end up just flipping the watches and walk away with a tidy sum of profit?

[mongrelnomoad]

Originally Posted by greenlantern

that said, i was not given the same courtesy of transparency and respect/appreciation.

+1.

[enjoythemusic]

If you're really in the market for an ALS, i'd wait five or six months as by then there should be an even higher abundance of secondary market ALS timepieces... at very attractive discount pricing. Check out Chrono24 and the abundance of ALS pieces that are there now(!).

Or for the same money, you could easily support a high-quality independent watchmaker company with top horological significance instead of more mass-produced Richemont watches. Added plus, odds are during a GTG you won't have three others in the group with the same timpeiece/brand on their wrist.

Think differently.

[fmc000]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern

But to be told to bundle with a Tourbillon or two, or an MR and a Tourbillon, that's a bit of an insult. That's not how you separate the loyalists from the wannabes.

That's how you easily make a lot of money, though.

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[GreenLantern]

Originally Posted by fmc000

That's how you easily make a lot of money, though.

Short term money at the expense of long term cash flow and stability.

These are pure luxuries. My iPhone tells better time than all my Lange's combined.

A pure luxury is an absolute unneeded item. You cannot sustain long term business by burning those most loyal to you.

[fmc000]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern

Short term money at the expense of long term cash flow and stability.

These are pure luxuries. My iPhone tells better time than all my Lange's combined.

A pure luxury is an absolute unneeded item. You cannot sustain long term business by burning those most loyal to you.

Well, ever heard of a brand called "Rolex"?

[raclaims]

Everyone is getting so worked up about a watch they won’t start to deliver for 2 years

A lot changes in this world in 2 years of late

[Russell996]

Originally Posted by raclaims

Everyone is getting so worked up about a watch they won’t start to deliver for 2 years

A lot changes in this world in 2 years of late

2 years to start deliveries, not what I was led to believe.

[raclaims]

That's what they told me.

Had dinner with the CEO Wilhelm Schmid Monday (I didn't ask him that question tho)

It's great that they are seeing so much interest in the brand but hand made highly technical pieces assembled twice doesn't happen quickly so I believe we will need to be patient and be thrilled that there are still companies doing things the right way

[diracpoint]

Any word on whether the old gen 1 Zeitwerks are discontinued or not?

[raclaims]

If not yet they will be for sure 100%

[Gotwire]

Originally Posted by raclaims

That's what they told me.

Had dinner with the CEO Wilhelm Schmid Monday (I didn't ask him that question tho)

It's great that they are seeing so much interest in the brand but hand made highly technical pieces assembled twice doesn't happen quickly so I believe we will need to be patient and be thrilled that there are still companies doing things the right way

He needs to be asked the bundling question straight up by someone. He gives enough interviews someone should bring it up. Was it him or Richemont?

[GreenLantern]

Originally Posted by fmc000

Well, ever heard of a brand called "Rolex"?

Rolex doesn't count. They produce and sell over a million watches per year.

Some ADs receive 10+ SS Daytonas a month.

[GreenLantern]

They're pre-selling the bundled watches, so even though it might take 6-24 months for some of these Lumen Zeitwerks to deliver, the bundling already happened.

Saying that things can change in two years actually sounds worse: It means they could reneg on the verbal agreement that if you bundle you'll get a Lumen.

[GreenLantern]

Originally Posted by diracpoint

Any word on whether the old gen 1 Zeitwerks are discontinued or not?

As far as I'm told, the Time Only Zeitwerks have been discontinued. There might be some left in the system that they could pull from if you want, but otherwise you're limited to the sound generating ones or the Date. (Until they reintroduce the time-only ones with the new movement from the Lumen.)

[WatchEater666]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern

As far as I'm told, the Time Only Zeitwerks have been discontinued. There might be some left in the system that they could pull from if you want, but otherwise you're limited to the sound generating ones or the Date. (Until they reintroduce the time-only ones with the new movement from the Lumen.)

Woah, that's too bad. The vanilla version is nice b/c of how thin it is along with the stripped down minimalist dial-side...

[GreenLantern]

Originally Posted by WatchEater666

Woah, that's too bad. The vanilla version is nice b/c of how thin it is along with the stripped down minimalist dial-side...

It's most likely coming back with the Lumen's movement. I see no reason to assume it won't.

[Stranger]

I'm sure this issue must have been studied by economists.

Personally, I think the best approach would be a lottery. The applications would be controlled by the retailer, submitted to ALS, and ALS would allocate their production by a lottery they would run. You would need a way to limit entries to one per model per customer, but that's a problem that can be solved.

[Yobrooks]

Originally Posted by JDelage

I'm sure this issue must have been studied by economists.

Personally, I think the best approach would be a lottery. The applications would be controlled by the retailer, submitted to ALS, and ALS would allocate their production by a lottery they would run. You would need a way to limit entries to one per model per customer, but that's a problem that can be solved.

Good idea. A lottery makes sense. Gives clients an opportunity to get a grail piece.

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